There's got to be a job for these guys in the White House...

[The Barbarian]

Texas hunters who accidentally shot each other blamed undocumented immigrants, police reveal
A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said.

Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.

The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.

After the alleged attack, a family friend setup a GoFundMe page stating that Mr Daughtery (pictured above with his fiancé) and his group were involved in a shoot-out with some illegal immigrants that were trying to steal his RV (Go Fund Me)

Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook.

But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other.

Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.

Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck.
Texas hunters accidentally shot each other then blamed it on immigrants

Perfect. Trump couldn't have handled it better, himself.

 

[Sabertooth]

A deliberate lie, or mistaken "friendly" fire (and, possibly, drunk)...?

 

[disciple Clint]

What exactly did Trump have to do with this? Nothing absolutely Nothing

 

[The Barbarian]

They messed up and shot at each other, thinking each was an illegal alien. However, once they realized their mistake, they stopped shooting each other, and made up a story about what happened. That's the part that got them in trouble.

But as I said, it certainly qualifies them for a job in the Trump White House.

 

[The Barbarian]

What exactly did Trump have to do with this? Nothing absolutely Nothing

Nope. But you have to admit those guys show a lot of promise as potential Trump appointees.

 

[disciple Clint]

Nope. But you have to admit those guys show a lot of promise as potential Trump appointees.

So be specific exactly which appointees would consider these people to resemble?
Can you think of anyone at all that Trump has appointed that has done anything like this?

 

[The Barbarian]

So be specific exactly which appointees would consider these people to resemble?
Can you think of anyone at all that Trump has appointed that has done anything like this?

Anyone who falsely accused illegal aliens of crimes committed by native-born Americans? Um...

Well, yes...
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MN295_Trumpm_G_20160209112142.jpg

And of course, the WH has been working like a set for a Three Stooges festival.

These guys would fit right in.

 

[disciple Clint]

Anyone who falsely accused illegal aliens of crimes committed by native-born Americans? Um...

Well, yes...
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MN295_Trumpm_G_20160209112142.jpg

And of course, the WH has been working like a set for a Three Stooges festival.

These guys would fit right in.

I dont see any facts that back up what you said, seems you are long on attitude and a bit short on facts.

 

[Serving Zion]

Am I reading this right? .. they opened fire on a truck that they knew had people in it?

 

[The Barbarian]

The Barbarian said: ↑
Anyone who falsely accused illegal aliens of crimes committed by native-born Americans? Um...

Well, yes...
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MN295_Trumpm_G_20160209112142.jpg

And of course, the WH has been working like a set for a Three Stooges festival.

These guys would fit right in.

I dont see any facts that back up what you said

The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Donald Trump

The charts below come from a December 2016 study published in the Journal of Ethnicity in Criminal Justice. They show that US saw a 118% increase in its immigrant population (documented and undocumented) from 1980 through 2016...

Yet during this same period, the rate of violent crime — homicides, rapes, robberies, and assaults, according to the FBI — fell by 36% to about 386 incidents per 100,000 residents...

There's also a study published in February by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, which further rejects the idea that illegal immigration is tied to increases in rates of violent crime.

The study looked at conviction data in Texas — the state with the second-largest population of foreign-born residents — for native-born, unauthorized immigrant, and legal immigrant residents...

The research found that native-born residents were most likely to commit and be convicted of crimes, while unauthorized immigrants saw a conviction rate that was about 50% lower. Legal immigrants appeared to be the most law-abiding, with 86% fewer convictions than native-born Texans.
Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime

So as you see, these people did on a small scale exactly what Donald Trump did on a large scale. They lied about illegal immigrants and violence. They'd fit perfectly into his administration.

seems you are long on attitude and a bit short on facts.

Nice try.

 

[The Barbarian]

Am I reading this right? .. they opened fire on a truck that they knew had people in it?

Well, yes, but they assumed it was illegal aliens, and apparently they believed illegal aliens were in season.

They didn't lie about it until later, when it started to sink in what they had actually done.

Sounds like Trump there too, doesn't it?

 

[Serving Zion]

Well, yes, but they assumed it was illegal aliens, and apparently they believed illegal aliens were in season.

It sounds like they were on drugs. Creeping into a truck without announcing yourself, firing at people without talking first.. It is like something you'd read on a movie script.

They didn't lie about it until later, when it started to sink in what they had actually done.

But I suppose they didn't realise that the cost of surgery was to involve another party in the grievance. It's certainly a self-centred mindset..

Sounds like Trump there too, doesn't it?

You would have to wonder how that could happen. AFAIC, The Press has a lot to answer for, and I quite wouldn't mind turning the questions on them.

 

[JohnC2]

I thought this was going to be about Dick Cheney...

 

[The Barbarian]

It sounds like they were on drugs.

In Dick Cheney's case, it was drinking. If I had to wager, I'd put my money on lots of beer, rather than other sorts of drugs.

Creeping into a truck without announcing yourself, firing at people without talking first.. It is like something you'd read on a movie script.

Or a covert video of a WH staff meeting...

But I suppose they didn't realise that the cost of surgery was to involve another party in the grievance. It's certainly a self-centred mindset..

You would have to wonder how that could happen. AFAIC, The Press has a lot to answer for, and I quite wouldn't mind turning the questions on them.

The media in those small towns can be pretty easy, I think. My guess is that this came unraveled when the local sheriff took a look at the statements and thought "just a darn minute, there!" Only he probably didn't use "darn."

 

[disciple Clint]

The Barbarian said: ↑
Anyone who falsely accused illegal aliens of crimes committed by native-born Americans? Um...

Well, yes...
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MN295_Trumpm_G_20160209112142.jpg

And of course, the WH has been working like a set for a Three Stooges festival.

These guys would fit right in.



The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Donald Trump

The charts below come from a December 2016 study published in the Journal of Ethnicity in Criminal Justice. They show that US saw a 118% increase in its immigrant population (documented and undocumented) from 1980 through 2016...

Yet during this same period, the rate of violent crime — homicides, rapes, robberies, and assaults, according to the FBI — fell by 36% to about 386 incidents per 100,000 residents...

There's also a study published in February by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, which further rejects the idea that illegal immigration is tied to increases in rates of violent crime.

The study looked at conviction data in Texas — the state with the second-largest population of foreign-born residents — for native-born, unauthorized immigrant, and legal immigrant residents...

The research found that native-born residents were most likely to commit and be convicted of crimes, while unauthorized immigrants saw a conviction rate that was about 50% lower. Legal immigrants appeared to be the most law-abiding, with 86% fewer convictions than native-born Texans.
Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime

So as you see, these people did on a small scale exactly what Donald Trump did on a large scale. They lied about illegal immigrants and violence. They'd fit perfectly into his administration.



Nice try.

still no facts that indicate that anyone that Trump appointed would qualify as a member of the three stooges. All I see is an attempt to refute a generality that Trump made. There is no doubt that Trump shoots from the hip and tends to make broad brush statements in order to make his point or focus public attention. BUT there is also no doubt that some of the people trying to get into our country are not people that we would allow to enter if we were given the opportunity to check their backgrounds. Our primary consideration should be the safety of the citizens of our country. Unfortunately right now we have no idea who is in our country illegally or what they may or may not do while they are here. Everyone should take responsibility for the fairness and accuracy of the things they say about people.

 

[The Barbarian]

still no facts that indicate that anyone that Trump appointed would qualify as a member of the three stooges.

His Housing Secretary announced that the Pyramids were built by Joseph in order to store grain. Is that daffy enough for you?

His Education Secretary, as an "education expert", managed to make Detroit Schools worse. That's right. She made them worse.

His EPA secretary, Scott Pruitt:
Mr. Pruitt is the subject of at least 13 federal investigations, and a government watchdog agency concluded that he had broken the law with his purchase of a $43,000 secure telephone booth. He was also under investigation for his 2017 lease of a bedroom in a condominium linked to a Canadian energy company’s powerful Washington lobbying firm, and for accusations that he demoted or sidelined E.P.A. employees who questioned his actions.

The former E.P.A. administrator had come under criticism for lavish expenditures on foreign travel, including a trip arranged for him by a lobbyist to Morocco, a country where the E.P.A. has no policy agenda. His domestic travel also came under fire after a former staff member told congressional investigators that his boss often sought to travel to Oklahoma, where Mr. Pruitt owns a home, directing his employees to “find me something to do” there so he could justify charging taxpayers for the expense.
E.P.A. Chief Scott Pruitt Resigns Under a Cloud of Ethics Scandals

There's a lot more. Do you want me to show you some more?

All I see is an attempt to refute a generality that Trump made.

The clowns in the story also "made a generality." They shot each other under the impression that they were illegal aliens, and when they realized what they had done, that's the story the gave the authorities.
Trump did pretty much the same things, although he only metaphorically shot himself in the foot.

There is no doubt that Trump shoots from the hip and tends to make broad brush statements in order to make his point or focus public attention.

So did the clowns in this story.

BUT there is also no doubt that some of the people trying to get into our country are not people that we would allow to enter if we were given the opportunity to check their backgrounds.

There are some native born people we would not allow to live here, if we had the opportunity to get rid of them. More of them, actually. You saw the number on relative frequency of criminal behavior for illegal immigrants and for native-born Americans.

Our primary consideration should be the safety of the citizens of our country.

Ironically, you'd be safer where there are a lot of illegal immgrants. That's not a generalization. Would you like to see the data? Everyone should take responsibility for the fairness and accuracy of the things they say about people.

Just a suggestion.

 

[disciple Clint]

His Housing Secretary announced that the Pyramids were built by Joseph in order to store grain. Is that daffy enough for you?

His Education Secretary, as an "education expert", managed to make Detroit Schools worse. That's right. She made them worse.

His EPA secretary, Scott Pruitt:
Mr. Pruitt is the subject of at least 13 federal investigations, and a government watchdog agency concluded that he had broken the law with his purchase of a $43,000 secure telephone booth. He was also under investigation for his 2017 lease of a bedroom in a condominium linked to a Canadian energy company’s powerful Washington lobbying firm, and for accusations that he demoted or sidelined E.P.A. employees who questioned his actions.

The former E.P.A. administrator had come under criticism for lavish expenditures on foreign travel, including a trip arranged for him by a lobbyist to Morocco, a country where the E.P.A. has no policy agenda. His domestic travel also came under fire after a former staff member told congressional investigators that his boss often sought to travel to Oklahoma, where Mr. Pruitt owns a home, directing his employees to “find me something to do” there so he could justify charging taxpayers for the expense.
E.P.A. Chief Scott Pruitt Resigns Under a Cloud of Ethics Scandals

There's a lot more. Do you want me to show you some more?



The clowns in the story also "made a generality." They shot each other under the impression that they were illegal aliens, and when they realized what they had done, that's the story the gave the authorities.
Trump did pretty much the same things, although he only metaphorically shot himself in the foot.



So did the clowns in this story.



There are some native born people we would not allow to live here, if we had the opportunity to get rid of them. More of them, actually. You saw the number on relative frequency of criminal behavior for illegal immigrants and for native-born Americans.



Ironically, you'd be safer where there are a lot of illegal immgrants. That's not a generalization. Would you like to see the data? Everyone should take responsibility for the fairness and accuracy of the things they say about people.

Just a suggestion.

Ironically, you'd be safer where there are a lot of illegal immgrants. That's not a generalization. Would you like to see the data? Everyone should take responsibility for the fairness and accuracy of the things they say about people.

Just a suggestion.

I would love to see the data. Illegals are the victims of other illegals at an alarming rate. So I doubt that they consider themselves safe in that environment.

 

[The Barbarian]

I would love to see the data.

The research found that native-born residents were most likely to commit and be convicted of crimes, while unauthorized immigrants saw a conviction rate that was about 50% lower. Legal immigrants appeared to be the most law-abiding, with 86% fewer convictions than native-born Texans.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b7ed2e9e199f3592e8b4854-960-701.png
Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime

Illegals are the victims of other illegals at an alarming rate.

Apparently not. But this is why police don't want to have to report illegals to ICE; it makes them less likely to cooperate with police in finding criminals.

 

[disciple Clint]

The research found that native-born residents were most likely to commit and be convicted of crimes, while unauthorized immigrants saw a conviction rate that was about 50% lower. Legal immigrants appeared to be the most law-abiding, with 86% fewer convictions than native-born Texans.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b7ed2e9e199f3592e8b4854-960-701.png
Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime



Apparently not. But this is why police don't want to have to report illegals to ICE; it makes them less likely to cooperate with police in finding criminals.

There is no data here only opinion and part of the opinion indicates that Trump was implicated in a crime, which again there is no substantiation and no charges were made against Trump. The police are not the problem with the cooperation with ICE.

 

[The Barbarian]

There is no data here only opinion

You saw the graph. Native-born Americans have a higher homicide rate, and a much higher criminal rate than undocumented aliens. No point in denying the fact.

Police don't want to be an extension of ICE, because it means that illegal immigrants are less likely to talk to them, and thus, makes it harder for them to investigate crimes. If you think Trump is part of the problem, so do the police.