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A question for flat earth people

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yes, can't you?

No I can't. I do see the upper superstructure only. At the end the hull is below the horizon. Perhaps an optometrist might be able to help you.
 
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You can only see the top half or so of the ship ...
The top half? At most the bottom portion of the hull is missing which is to be expected. I suggest you study angles and perspective or just do a very simple experiment for yourself. Find a long, flat road. If you look down that long road, you will see people or vehicles "disappear" from the bottom up as they travel away from you. If you take a pair of binoculars, they don't disappear but yo can now see them again as it is a function of perspective or their "vanishing point."
 
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The top half? At most the bottom portion of the hull is missing which is to be expected. I suggest you study angles and perspective or just do a very simple experiment for yourself. Find a long, flat road. If you look down that long road, you will see people or vehicles "disappear" from the bottom up as they travel away from you. If you take a pair of binoculars, they don't disappear but you can now see them again as it is a function of perspective or their "vanishing point." The fact that the ship hasn't completely disappeared contradicts your claim in the first place - bad example.
 
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No I can't. I do see the upper superstructure only. At the end the hull is below the horizon. Perhaps an optometrist might be able to help you.
At most the bottom portion of the hull is missing which is to be expected. I suggest you study angles and perspective or just do a very simple experiment for yourself. Find a long, flat road. If you look down that long road, you will see people or vehicles "disappear" from the bottom up as they travel away from you. If you take a pair of binoculars, they don't disappear but you can now see them again as it is a function of perspective or their "vanishing point." The fact that the ship hasn't completely disappeared contradicts your claim in the first place - bad example.
 
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The top half? At most the bottom portion of the hull is missing which is to be expected. I suggest you study angles and perspective or just do a very simple experiment for yourself. Find a long, flat road. If you look down that long road, you will see people or vehicles "disappear" from the bottom up as they travel away from you. If you take a pair of binoculars, they don't disappear but yo can now see them again as it is a function of perspective or their "vanishing point."

If it were a function of perspective alone the car would disappear equally bottom, top, left and right. As for your binocular comment, may I remind you that the ship video was taken through a telescope? No, it really is sailing over the horizon.
 
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Why ... do things fall DOWN ?

Why don't they fall UP ... or SIDEWAYS ?

What force causes things to uniformly fall DOWN ???
That's just it isn't it... nobody knows... they have no idea... that is the big question... Science doesn't even know..

However... they have to have some reason.. which they call gravity, so that we can all stick to the ball earth.

 
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There’s nothing new about questioning whether or not the account is meant to be taken literally, questions about that predate modern science by centuries. The reason for that is that an analysis of the text itself, just as it is, throws up problems with your approach of just reading it and taking it to mean what you happen to think. Why do you think your interpretation is in some way more valid than an interpretation based on what we can know about how people thought at the time?
Sorry, can you pose this question a bit more clearly for me?
 
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At most the bottom portion of the hull is missing which is to be expected. I suggest you study angles and perspective or just do a very simple experiment for yourself. Find a long, flat road. If you look down that long road, you will see people or vehicles "disappear" from the bottom up as they travel away from you. If you take a pair of binoculars, they don't disappear but you can now see them again as it is a function of perspective or their "vanishing point." The fact that the ship hasn't completely disappeared contradicts your claim in the first place - bad example.

The ship was painted in a very standard way for cargo vessels --- a black hull with white superstructure. The bottom portion of the hull is missing because it is below water level but at the start of the video the rest is visible up to the level of the main deck. By the end of the video none of the black hull is to be seen --- at all. Period.
 
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This actually can happen but under very special circumstances. The observer must be standing precisely on the terminator. This that point on the surface that marks the line between light and dark. The line of termination can be seen quite clearly on the moon. At this point the observer would be in a direct line betwen sun and moon and would be seeing the earth's shadow eclipsing the moon while the sun was setting directly behind him. This would only observed for a few minutes. This effect would be enhanced a bit by the refraction of the sun's light as it passes through the atmosphere. This makes the sun appear to be just at the horizon when actually it is just below the horizon. I hope this clears things up for you.
Thank you. You did not dissappoint... the word "refraction" was what I was looking for... thanks..

Your "very special circumstances" do not allow for a fully visible sun while the moon is fully in the earths shadow... which happens.. which scientists "splain" away.. with their "refraction"

Sorry, but it should be impossible... this is one reason why, Dare I bring this up.. we are so far gone off the OP already... but this is why people believe that the moon has or is it's own source of light.
 
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Tonight when it is fully dark walk directly toward a street light. It would help if the street lights were quite widely spaced so that you are not seeing multiple washed out shadows. Walk slowly backwards toward the light (be careful not to trip) and look at your own shadow. At first it will be lengthy and much longer than you are tall. As you get closer your shadow shortens until when you are directly under the light you are literally standing on your own shadow. The same sort of effect is evident in the solar eclipse diagram below:

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/599aff99f1a850c02a8b60bb-750-582.png
Nice try... many would agree with you.. however. that is a description of the shadow of a cross section of my body. The part of my body that is blocking the light will still be the same size or smaller than the shadow it casts.

Therefore, the shadow is still going to be either the same size of, or larger than the part of my body that is blocking the light.

What you are describing is like saying that a thin street sign will have almost no shadow.. when turned sideways.

The moon is believed to be a ball. Any light shone on it will be blocked.. the shadow will always be larger or the same size as the moon... This is unavoidable.
 
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Ship sinks below horizon while viewed through a telescope ...

Want to play a game... lets show videos of our view... There are numerous videos on the net that show boats and ships reappearing as they are viewed through a camera an slowly zoomed in on.

Better yet... there is a mountainous Island that is several hundreds of miles off the coast of another location of land... People come from all over to witness an event...

This event is that special time of year when the sun sets on the ocean, directly behind these mountains.. This creates a beautiful silhouette of the mountains in their full splendor.

Here's the catch... the distance to these mountains dictates that they should be totally hidden and over the curve of the earth.. They should not be visible at all... especially not fully apparent in their altitude, behind the sun... This happens twice a year. Although, the mountains are visible throughout the year just not with the sun setting behind them, which is quite a site...

In the end.. this topic is one of my most favorite...

The fact that we... in many many many proven cases... see way too far... There are many examples of objects on the coast line of many places that are visible from distances that should be impossible if the earth is the size that they are telling us... They should be "beyond the curve" as they say.. Yet.. stand right there, in plain view...
 
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Whoops ... Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from the Science Hall of Fame ...
How do you figure... You are the ones that are stating that the moon can cast a shadow that is smaller than itself. It's shadow, on the earth, is about 70 miles wide. Just check NASA's site.. it's their data, not mine.
 
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That's just it isn't it... nobody knows... they have no idea... that is the big question... Science doesn't even know..

However... they have to have some reason.. which they call gravity, so that we can all stick to the ball earth.

Well ... there is a for e which pulls us to the Earth, that much is undeniable.

Whether the Earth is a sphere or a pancake can be surmised with other observations ...
 
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This is due to the enormous size of the Earth. What you see at the Earth's surface will always appear to be at your line-of-sight.
Really?

It thought I could just climb a tree.. Isn't that how this was presented?

Just how big do you think the earth is? You do know that it curves 8 inches every mile, right?

That's a pretty steep curve.. In fact, two six foot tall men, who stand on a frozen lake, and walk until they are 3 miles apart.. should not be able to see each other anymore.

Yet, no matter how high you go... the horizon will be right there at your eye level.
 
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