#walkaway

[98cwitr]

Sure.

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on both sides'

President Trump said there are "some very fine people on both sides" after Charlottesville. IMO there were no "very fine people" among the marching, chanting KKK and Neo Nazis. Naturally the KKK and Neo Nazis loved the public support from the POTUS.


Trump goes off script, and white supremacists cheer - POLITICO

One group loved Trump's remarks about Charlottesville: White Supremacists

So nowhere in any of those links does Trump (and to quote you): "[publicly state that he is] supporting the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazis" To err on the side of intellectual honesty, the "fine people on both sides" would suggest Trump took a middle road. To say he supported the alt-right you must in the same breath say he also supported the alt-left. Even in the link, Trump explicitly states he's condemned neo-nazis.

The other two links only show that members of the alt-right cheered for Trump, which means nothing in the context of your argument. Your position is a false flag, and this reason, among others is why #walkaway has traction. Let's get back to being honest with each other, shall we?

Find me a source of Trump using a racial slur, or explicitly stating that he supports neo-nazi ideologies, and I will side with you.

 

[SummerMadness]

I've been looking at a lot of my liberal or Democratic friends and many of them are walking away, this movement is real.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

People should stand by their convictions. I applaud those that do. I don't care if the Democrat party goes down in flames. I don't think the future is going to be the Democrat/Republican dance we've been doing.

#Walkaway - go ahead. Should I be scared that some passive voters who likely were never impassioned enough about anything to do more than the least are leaving a confused & corrupt party? Naw. Do I think liberalism is dying in this country? Not by a long shot.

 

[LostMarbels]

As a Christian, I must put truth above all else.

BINGO! We will be held accountable for everything we post, just as if we verbally spoke into these peoples lives.

 

[LostMarbels]

Seeing you have watched many of these videos are there any that point out what the Republican party has done to solve a problem that the Dems. could have but didn't?

Kinda the point is the Dems are addressing non issues that only cause separation and further problems. This one gay dude, a professional drag queen even brings up how a very small percentage of the gay community even cares about what bathroom they can use, as an example. What he cares about is being overrun by illegals, the destruction of american society by the illegals culture, the rising crime rate and lowering of property values in his community due to the illegals actions.

 

[Hank77]

Kinda the point is the Dems are addressing non issues that only cause separation and further problems. This one gay dude, a professional drag queen even brings up how a very small percentage of the gay community even cares about what bathroom they can use, as an example. What he cares about is being overrun by illegals, the destruction of american society by the illegals culture, the rising crime rate and lowering of property values in his community due to the illegals actions.

What I heard him saying is that being able to marry is partner wasn't such a big deal, illegal immigration effects his life more than anything the Democrats have done for him and his group.

 

[LostMarbels]

What I heard him saying is that being able to marry is partner wasn't such a big deal, illegal immigration effects his life more than anything the Democrats have done for him and his group.

I do believe that is part of it yes. However the common theme I am getting from these personal testimonies is that the Democratic party is on it's own tangent that has nothing at all to do with the members they state to be supporting. In fact, most of these Dems, and others that I have spoken with are appalled by the constant bickering, and false narratives. They themselves are attacked and ridiculed even by their own party. That has lead many to understand that there is a problem in the ideology because they themselves are being attacked as being something they know as fact, they are not. That has lead to the realization that others are/may be falsely accused as well; seeing that they themselves have experienced it first hand.

It is one thing to have a mob mentality and be part of a group that resist another. It is quite another when you find yourself maligned by previous friends, family members, co workers, and even the very system you supported just because of an opinion. When you become the 'nazi' everyone spits on and beats in the streets; things become crystal real quick. Especially since you know you do not agree with, nor practice the issues/policies you are now accused of and attacked for.

 

[Phil 1:21]

I hate to say it, but the democratic party has become its own parody.

 

[Hank77]

It is one thing to have a mob mentality and be part of a group that resist another. It is quite another when you find yourself maligned by previous friends, family members, co workers, and even the very system you supported just because of an opinion. When you become the 'nazi' everyone spits on and beats in the streets; things become crystal real quick. Especially since you know you do not agree with, nor practice the issues/policies you are now accused of and attacked for.

I agree but I would point out the Republicans are also guilty of turning away from friends and family because they don't agree on all policies.
We've even seen it right here on this forum where people have insinuated that other Christians were not Christians because they didn't agree or support the same things that they do or were not Trump supporters.

 

[LostMarbels]

@Hank77

I sell fireworks, and other roadside products for a living. Such as Christmas trees, flowers, pumpkins and the like. That being said, I just finished my 4th of July season maybe 2 days ago. For the last month, I have been living in a 60x40 foot fireworks tent on the side of OBT in Rosemont, (Pine Hills) not 6 miles away from The Parliament House, (the largest gay community in Florida) and smack dab in the middle of the hood. Lets just say I just had thousands of interactions with gays, blacks, Latinos, whites, orientals, homeless, and even illegals.

The narrative being pushed is fake.

Not one black man had a problem that I am white and as country as turnip greens. Not one gay/lesbian couple had a problem with the 'cyst' white male that was speaking to them. No fights... no tension. A wonderful little black lady brought me a plate of ox tales, pulled pork, ribs, black beans, rice, okra, and corn on the cob from from their party. Man did I love that! Feeding a fat boy is the quickest way to his heart.

One of our newest and hottest products was "All Trumped Up".

I cannot tell you how many hundreds of conversations I had with individuals simply because of that 500 gram cake. Black, white, purple, orange. It didn't matter. It was Trump. Many, many people took picture of it, or selfies with it, but were actualy scared to buy it. They were genuinely scared to bring it into the hood quiet literally because: "some liberal nutt job will shoot them". They didn't want some "fringe element wacko" singling out their family on a holiday that should be fun. That's real... no spin, straight as I witnessed.

This entire liberal driven narrative is fake. The majority of the people I meet could either care less about, or are interested in Trump. Then you do get that one white SJW lady that comes in and goes nuts over it. Screaming like a harpy, and even men in full drag are rolling their eyes in embarrassment apologizing for her like she is somehow related. There is a total disconnect from the truth and what is presented.

 

[Jack Slatts]

So nowhere in any of those links does Trump (and to quote you): "[publicly state that he is] supporting the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazis"

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are talking about. He stated that some of the Nazis and KKK were "very fine people".

To err on the side of intellectual honesty, the "fine people on both sides" would suggest Trump took a middle road.

I have to strongly disagree with this. It suggests Trump recognizes who is an important part of his base, and as he always does, reward utter loyalty, in this case with a public statement of support.

To say he supported the alt-right you must in the same breath say he also supported the alt-left.

No, I most certainly do not. Steve Bannon is part of the alt-right. You know, the chappy who ran his campaign.

Find me a source of Trump using a racial slur, or explicitly stating that he supports neo-nazi ideologies, and I will side with you.

His whole campaign was based on low level racism, attacking Latinos and Muslims, at one point bringing back memories of another time by suggesting that Muslims be put on a registry. Does that ring any bells? Trump led the racist birther movement. And are you sincerely suggesting that this wasn't enough to convince you? If it wasn't, I do not believe there is anything Trump can say or do that will, there will to be some sort of excuse for his behaviour, no matter how disgusting, exactly like we have seen on an almost daily basis since he began his campaign.

 

[Jack Slatts]

BINGO! We will be held accountable for everything we post, just as if we verbally spoke into these peoples lives.

That is interesting. From my point of view, atheism is the more accountable philosophy.

If I wrong someone, I have to make things right with the person I wronged. If a Christian wrongs someone, they can be forgiven by uttering a few words, alone, in the privacy of their home. I think my road is the better at holding a person accountable for their actions.

 

[LostMarbels]

That is interesting. From my point of view, atheism is the more accountable philosophy.

If I wrong someone, I have to make things right with the person I wronged. If a Christian wrongs someone, they can be forgiven by uttering a few words, alone, in the privacy of their home. I think my road is the better at holding a person accountable for their actions.

Thank you for sharing.

Do you have anything else to add to the conversation?

 

[Hank77]

@Hank77

I sell fireworks, and other roadside products for a living. Such as Christmas trees, flowers, pumpkins and the like. That being said, I just finished my 4th of July season maybe 2 days ago. For the last month, I have been living in a 60x40 foot fireworks tent on the side of OBT in Rosemont, (Pine Hills) not 6 miles away from The Parliament House, (the largest gay community in Florida) and smack dab in the middle of the hood. Lets just say I just had thousands of interactions with gays, blacks, Latinos, whites, orientals, homeless, and even illegals.

The narrative being pushed is fake.

Not one black man had a problem that I am white and as country as turnip greens. Not one gay/lesbian couple had a problem with the 'cyst' white male that was speaking to them. No fights... no tension. A wonderful little black lady brought me a plate of ox tales, pulled pork, ribs, black beans, rice, okra, and corn on the cob from from their party. Man did I love that! Feeding a fat boy is the quickest way to his heart.

One of our newest and hottest products was "All Trumped Up".

I cannot tell you how many hundreds of conversations I had with individuals simply because of that 500 gram cake. Black, white, purple, orange. It didn't matter. It was Trump. Many, many people took picture of it, or selfies with it, but were actualy scared to buy it. They were genuinely scared to bring it into the hood quiet literally because: "some liberal nutt job will shoot them". They didn't want some "fringe element wacko" singling out their family on a holiday that should be fun. That's real... no spin, straight as I witnessed.

This entire liberal driven narrative is fake. The majority of the people I meet could either care less about, or are interested in Trump. Then you do get that one white SJW lady that comes in and goes nuts over it. Screaming like a harpy, and even men in full drag are rolling their eyes in embarrassment apologizing for her like she is somehow related. There is a total disconnect from the truth and what is presented.

I am really glad to hear this scenario, love it actually, wish I had been there.

They were afraid of a liberal 'wacko' not a plain old liberal, which most of them probably were liberals themselves.
Now where I live if you went to a rodeo selling a product or wearing an Obama T-shirt you'd make very few sales and could easily end up in a fist fight with a 'wacko' conservative. It really depends on the culture of an area how one is received.
I will say though that my community is very good about treating gays/lesbians with love and respect. I think that is because some of their own children came out as gay starting at least 40 yrs. ago.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

Lol, I just watched Kitty's video. My goodness, the Democratic party is just going to fall apart if political illiterates who probably vote infrequently (if at all), walk away.

If Miss Kitty was actually knowledgeable about the party to which they supposedly belonged- I would have expected to hear about specific party platform planks and policies that the Democrats espouse- not sound bites like "open borders" and bathrooms.

As I said before, I'm not a Dem - I don't see the Democrat/Republican dance as our nation's future. That said, #Walkaway means nothing if it isn't mainly actual registered and consistently voting Democrats. Otherwise, I'm hearing people talk who can't really walk away, because they were never committed and never consistently voted. The Dems are "losing" numbers they never had, wow.

Side note: his last straw was some Latino "friends" calling his husband a racial slur? Yeah, that tracks (insert eyeroll) - that is why you leave a political party - you have bad taste in friends...

 

[Hank77]

Lol, I just watched Kitty's video. My goodness, the Democratic party is just going to fall apart if political illiterates who probably vote infrequently (if at all), walk away.

If Miss Kitty was actually knowledgeable about the party to which they supposedly belonged- I would have expected to hear about specific party platform planks and policies that the Democrats espouse- not sound bites like "open borders" and bathrooms.

As I said before, I'm not a Dem - I don't see the Democrat/Republican dance as our nation's future. That said, #Walkaway means nothing if it isn't mainly actual registered and consistently voting Democrats. Otherwise, I'm hearing people talk who can't really walk away, because they were never committed and never consistently voted. The Dems are "losing" numbers they never had, wow.

Side note: his last straw was some Latino "friends" calling his husband a racial slur? Yeah, that tracks (insert eyeroll) - that is why you leave a political party - you have bad taste in friends...

That's like the #Walkaway video of Brandon Tatum. Brandon Tatum is not a Democrat. He is a conservative, Christian Republican, and he voted for Trump. So he isn't walking away from anything. He is also a police officer.
See at the 12 min. mark.....

 

[Mayzoo]

People changing parties/ideologies is nothing new. It has been going on here since the foundation of this country. People change parties/ideologies as they mature, and during major life events for them or this country.

IMO, it would be more noteworthy if someone's political ideologies did not change as they got older. Find me a handful of people who have not changed their minds on several key points as they went from 20 years old to 70 years old.

That would be newsworthy!!

 

[Gadarene]

I don't think everyone is a racist, sexist, bigot. But when I see
President Trump give a public statement supporting the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazis, I'm going to decide that he is a racist.

How much more evidence do you need before you make that decision?

But my hurt feelings tho!

 

[Gadarene]

Please... for the love of God keep up the good work. I greatly appreciate it. And may it please be true the Hillary will be running in 2020. And for the love of humanity... please allow Maxine Waters remain your champion and spokes person. Thank you, thank you, thank you Oh so very much. It is greatly appreciated.

Again, it’s really funny how we’re supposed to Walkaway from the Dems for their crappy behaviour, but there is no exhortation that this be done with the right.

This is the same nonsense we’ve seen since Trump was elected, it’s the same as the muh civility crap.

Right does something heinous, they point to something lesser the left did and then somehow convince themselves they’ve got the moral high ground.

 

[Gadarene]

I don't doubt there's at least a few of these that are genuine. I just don't think this "movement" is really as big as Trumpers are hoping it to be.

Yeah, this.

The size of the movement is being inflated by bots and may have ignited it - that it’s also fronted by Straka who is running for office is a bit of a giveaway that it’s more of a marketing campaign than anything else.

The left has its PC issues, sure - I’ve spent plenty of time on this board calling them out for that as well - but that doesn’t mean they’re a priority when compared to the stunts the actual administration is pulling.