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I've finished a novel. I'm on my fourth pass in reviewing it. My plan was to edit it myself, but I'm finding a new set of typos or bloopers with each review.

Does anyone have any experience with a self-publishing editing or publishing service? Any recommendations? My thought is to have the book published through Amazon as an e-book. But I'm considering having a physical book published elsewhere. As a side note, Amazon used to offer editing services, but they have since discontinued them.
 

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I've finished a novel. I'm on my fourth pass in reviewing it. My plan was to edit it myself, but I'm finding a new set of typos or bloopers with each review.

Does anyone have any experience with a self-publishing editing or publishing service? Any recommendations? My thought is to have the book published through Amazon as an e-book. But I'm considering having a physical book published elsewhere. As a side note, Amazon used to offer editing services, but they have since discontinued them.
we are editing it ourselves since we can't afford an editor and just hoping and praying that will be enough. We have myself and at least two other people (sister and my husband) doing the editing. My sister some of her kids look it over too. The problem with editing is that even professionally edited books can have issues...I have no idea how to do better than several pairs of eyes and hope and pray it is enough.
 
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we are editing it ourselves since we can't afford an editor and just hoping and praying that will be enough. We have myself and at least two other people (sister and my husband) doing the editing. My sister some of her kids look it over too. The problem with editing is that even professionally edited books can have issues...I have no idea how to do better than several pairs of eyes and hope and pray it is enough.
I may do that also. I'm undecided. A friend started reading it but hasn't finished it. It's a bit awkward asking him if he is planning to restart his review. Another person hasn't read it at all. Everyone is busy, I know. So I try to be understanding.

I'm satisfied with the basic story and structure. But I'm still finding "faze" where "phase" should be. And I'm missing an "a" or a "the" here and there.
 
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I've finished a novel. I'm on my fourth pass in reviewing it. My plan was to edit it myself, but I'm finding a new set of typos or bloopers with each review.

Does anyone have any experience with a self-publishing editing or publishing service? Any recommendations? My thought is to have the book published through Amazon as an e-book. But I'm considering having a physical book published elsewhere. As a side note, Amazon used to offer editing services, but they have since discontinued them.
Hubpages does have a limited editing service which is automatically exercised; this would be most suitable for a short story.
 
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we are editing it ourselves since we can't afford an editor and just hoping and praying that will be enough. We have myself and at least two other people (sister and my husband) doing the editing. My sister some of her kids look it over too. The problem with editing is that even professionally edited books can have issues...I have no idea how to do better than several pairs of eyes and hope and pray it is enough.
Sounds like you have been busy.
 
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I may do that also. I'm undecided. A friend started reading it but hasn't finished it. It's a bit awkward asking him if he is planning to restart his review. Another person hasn't read it at all. Everyone is busy, I know. So I try to be understanding.

I'm satisfied with the basic story and structure. But I'm still finding "faze" where "phase" should be. And I'm missing an "a" or a "the" here and there.
I know all to well....took us awhile to find someone who could and would help with the editing...can I ask, just out of curious what your book is about?
 
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I have 3 almost books in the files. :) Probably will stay "there".

Realize that famous authors and other writers have a good book when it sells about 3500 copies. That's with tours and signings. Don't invest more than you can make back, at least break even for all your effort, if you only sell a few hundred.

Good wishes!
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I know all to well....took us awhile to find someone who could and would help with the editing...can I ask, just out of curious what your book is about?
Sure. I need to work on a synopsis. The novel centers around a tech company named Proteus and its attempts to manipulate public opinion on the Internet with the goal of influencing evangelicals in a secular direction. The book is a mixture of technology, high school and college drama, institutional cover-up, and corporate machinations. The longest part is a series of sermons or devotionals from "Sister Emily," who starts a mentoring/tutoring ministry, a prison ministry, and later a college and evangelistic ministry.

I'm not a good verbal communicator or in-person evangelist. One goal of the novel is to use it has a witnessing tool to people that I can't (or could only with difficulty) verbally share the Gospel with.
 
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Sure. I need to work on a synopsis. The novel centers around a tech company named Proteus and its attempts to manipulate public opinion on the Internet with the goal of influencing evangelicals in a secular direction. The book is a mixture of technology, high school and college drama, institutional cover-up, and corporate machinations. The longest part is a series of sermons or devotionals from "Sister Emily," who starts a mentoring/tutoring ministry, a prison ministry, and later a college and evangelistic ministry.

I'm not a good verbal communicator or in-person evangelist. One goal of the novel is to use it has a witnessing tool to people that I can't (or could only with difficulty) verbally share the Gospel with.
sounds interesting, are you an architect or a gardener as a writer? I'm just curious you don't have to answer.
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but here's my two cents worth;

Editing and proofreading are not the same thing. Proof readers look for typos, spelling and grammar errors, punctuation, etc. Editors actually look how the story flows, if a paragraph needs deleted or put somewhere else in the story, they may pare down a wordy paragraph, look at character development, do some fact checking. It's a more involved process than proofreading.

Don't rely on just friends to proofread and edit because they tend to not want to offend or hurt you. You want an unbiased, detached person who can give you constructive input. You may be able to find a grad student or retired teacher who could give a look at your manuscript. Be creative about paying someone, sometimes offers of food or raking leaves could be all it takes to find someone interested.
 
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I've finished a novel. I'm on my fourth pass in reviewing it. My plan was to edit it myself, but I'm finding a new set of typos or bloopers with each review.

Does anyone have any experience with a self-publishing editing or publishing service? Any recommendations? My thought is to have the book published through Amazon as an e-book. But I'm considering having a physical book published elsewhere. As a side note, Amazon used to offer editing services, but they have since discontinued them.
I have had little success as writer, but I think publishing an Amazon e-book is a good idea, and you can then publish an Amazon paperback. It's not too difficult and doesn't cost a cent. You might try using the Amazon advertising service, which doesn't have to be expensive, though it didn't help me.
 
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I've finished a novel. I'm on my fourth pass in reviewing it. My plan was to edit it myself, but I'm finding a new set of typos or bloopers with each review.

Does anyone have any experience with a self-publishing editing or publishing service? Any recommendations? My thought is to have the book published through Amazon as an e-book. But I'm considering having a physical book published elsewhere. As a side note, Amazon used to offer editing services, but they have since discontinued them.

There are some good sites for getting feedback from other Christian writers, maybe you know it already but I’ve found this site helpful - ChristianWriters.com
 
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sounds interesting, are you an architect or a gardener as a writer? I'm just curious you don't have to answer.
I'm glad to answer. But I'm not fully sure what you mean. The story is the product of my own experience and things that I've read or observed. Guess that would make me an architect?

I've added endnote section. Even though that isn't normally included in novels. My thought was if I can reference or quote a writer without looking, then I've made it my own. But if I have to actually look at the reference, then it should be noted.
 
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Take it with a grain of salt, but here's my two cents worth;

Editing and proofreading are not the same thing. Proof readers look for typos, spelling and grammar errors, punctuation, etc. Editors actually look how the story flows, if a paragraph needs deleted or put somewhere else in the story, they may pare down a wordy paragraph, look at character development, do some fact checking. It's a more involved process than proofreading.

Don't rely on just friends to proofread and edit because they tend to not want to offend or hurt you. You want an unbiased, detached person who can give you constructive input. You may be able to find a grad student or retired teacher who could give a look at your manuscript. Be creative about paying someone, sometimes offers of food or raking leaves could be all it takes to find someone interested.
good points but sometimes not something that is able to be done...which is why I tell my "editors" to be brutal...what I have a hard time with is those "editors" that was to write so they try to remake it in their image instead of just editing it as it should be done
 
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I'm glad to answer. But I'm not fully sure what you mean. The story is the product of my own experience and things that I've read or observed. Guess that would make me an architect?

I've added endnote section. Even though that isn't normally included in novels. My thought was if I can reference or quote a writer without looking, then I've made it my own. But if I have to actually look at the reference, then it should be noted.
An architect lays out everything before hand a gardener (My style) allows the story to grow on it's own.

For example I have a trilogy in which my children wanted me to write them a story...I had no idea what to write for them but it was about halloween time so I wrote a couple of paragraphs about a house that seemed to be haunted....they loved the paragraphs and demanded the rest of the story....lol it ended up being a trilogy about the two prophets in Rev. kind of an interesting story if I do say so myself. So I am a gardener with very little to start out with, develop a character then let the character tell me what they do as the story unfolds. I find at least for me this helps me to build characters because if they aren't clearly defined for the audience then they aren't clearly defined for me either.

In fact, I admire architects cause I have never been able to do that method.
 
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An architect lays out everything before hand a gardener (My style) allows the story to grow on it's own.

For example I have a trilogy in which my children wanted me to write them a story...I had no idea what to write for them but it was about halloween time so I wrote a couple of paragraphs about a house that seemed to be haunted....they loved the paragraphs and demanded the rest of the story....lol it ended up being a trilogy about the two prophets in Rev. kind of an interesting story if I do say so myself. So I am a gardener with very little to start out with, develop a character then let the character tell me what they do as the story unfolds. I find at least for me this helps me to build characters because if they aren't clearly defined for the audience then they aren't clearly defined for me either.

In fact, I admire architects cause I have never been able to do that method.
Method and system do become apparent in people's various undertakings, yes... :)
 
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An architect lays out everything before hand a gardener (My style) allows the story to grow on it's own.

For example I have a trilogy in which my children wanted me to write them a story...I had no idea what to write for them but it was about halloween time so I wrote a couple of paragraphs about a house that seemed to be haunted....they loved the paragraphs and demanded the rest of the story....lol it ended up being a trilogy about the two prophets in Rev. kind of an interesting story if I do say so myself. So I am a gardener with very little to start out with, develop a character then let the character tell me what they do as the story unfolds. I find at least for me this helps me to build characters because if they aren't clearly defined for the audience then they aren't clearly defined for me either.

In fact, I admire architects cause I have never been able to do that method.
I started with a general outline. The story and some of the characters went in unexpected directions as I wrote.

Below is small sample of the novel. The character Eian is attempting to join an evangelical church (and pretend to be a Christian) in order to gain information on evangelicals as part of his job at a tech company.

“Normally, I ask those seeking membership in the church to share something of their faith.
May I ask, how did you come to know the Lord?” Davis inquired.

At first, Eian seemed to not understand the question, but quickly recovered, and offered this
response, “Reverend, I'm glad you asked that question. For me, really, the key was 9/11. It was on that
day sitting at a lunch counter watching the video of that terrible attack with other patrons that I reached a turning point. I felt a spiritual kinship with humanity and our common struggle for life and
wholeness.

Davis was unsure of how to respond. Outside of a marriage license, he was rarely called
Reverend. And he couldn't ever recall being called Reverend by a fellow Baptist. Eian's testimony,
such as it was, did not give him a warm and fuzzy about his faith. Davis began to wonder about
Eian. Is he for real? he thought. “When you sensed this lacking in you would you say that you
then saw Christ as the answer to your spiritual ills?” responded Davis.

“Absolutely Reverend, I saw Christ as a source of goodness and truth, beyond that of even
spiritual leaders such as Gandhi and Martin Luther King,” Eian answered.

In all his years of ministry at Middleville, Davis had never actually turned someone away
who was seeking church membership. Davis was a theological conservative, but he tried to be as
conservative, but he tried to be as generous as he could be in understanding the unique way in which each person came to know the Lord. He didn't hold anyone to a formula for conversion. Yet, Davis knew that turning Eian away was in fact the necessary thing to do. Searching for a graceful way to “No,” he stalled for time by asking another background question of Eian.

“What do you see as your life vocation?” asked Davis.

Eian appeared more than ready for the question, and as he answered, Davis largely forgot about
his plans to gracefully refuse him church membership. “I really see myself as called to be writer.
Although I am technical writer by profession (with an IT firm with a location in the area) I really have
aspirations beyond that. I would like to break into journalism, and perhaps, I know this sounds
ambitious, shape the way evangelical ministries, such as this one, are defined by the secular press,”
Eian responded.

Hearing this, Davis could only set aside any misgivings he had about Eian’s faith.
He would meet him with later to help help him understand the Gospel. But if he turned him
away, he would miss the opportunity to work with someone apparently of the same mindset as he with
regard to the attitude of the secular press toward evangelicals. “Well, I think I've heard all that I need to hear. As pastor of Middleville, I would like to warmly welcome you into our family of faith, Eian.”
 
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