proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Jimmy D]

What don't I know about DNA? Be sure to include any proven science that supports your opinion.

I was hoping that you would comment on the Endogenous retrovirus evidence posted, rather than that you made unrelated comments about cats or something.

 

[doubtingmerle]

It is truly sad that some think pictures are evidence.

"But officer, I see your picture of my client pointing a gun at the teller but that is not evidence. It is truly sad that some think pictures are evidence."

Where did you learn about what is acceptable evidence? Trump University?

 

[Jimmy D]

I would like any discussion to include the evidence as to HOW it is genetically possible.

Why? I don't know how "it's genetically possible", I can only suggest enrolling yourself at a university on an appropriate course.

The blow holes of cetaceans are homologous to nostrils. Why on earth would you think they aren't? Don't you accept that whales are mammals or something?

 

[Jimmy D]

I would like any discussion to include the evidence as to HOW it is genetically possible.

Maybe this will help?

Adaptive Evolution of 5′HoxD Genes in the Origin and Diversification of the Cetacean Flipper

limb modification in the mammals has involved the molecular evolution of the Hoxgenes Hoxd12 and Hoxd13, represent an important addition to this growing body of work and highlights the potential role that Hox genes are likely to have had in more recent evolutionary radiations.

The role of Hoxd12 in the modulation of digit number and development of the flipper was also suggested by the results of branch-site models, in which several sites under positive selection were detected on the branch leading to the cetaceans

 

[bhsmte]

and i think that you just cant falsify this argument. whatever...

Asking someone to prove a negative, is a sure sign, you have nothing and cant support your own claim.

Of course, this has been obvious for quite sometime.

 

[Speedwell]

I am not asserting it, I am saying it outright.

That's what "asserting" means: to state confidently and emphatically.

But let me get this right. You are saying that there is no such thing as natural selection?

That, for example, gazelles which can run faster are just as likely to be eaten by lions as gazelles which can only run more slowly?

 

[Speedwell]

Reminds me of a joke. Two men are walking in the forest when a bear sees them and comes after them. They run, but the bear starts to catch up and the first man says, "We'll never get away from this bear. We can't run faster than he does." The second man says, "I don't have to run faster than the bear, I just have to run faster than you."

Omega won't get it.

 

[Aman777]

No my friend I "prefer" what God tells us in His word. "Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made." (Genesis 2:1-3)

Trying to make Hebrew words agree with English definitions is the problem. Here is the KJV with the Hebrew words used:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

In English the word "finished" is in the past BUT in the Hebrew imperfect tense, this is what it means:

The imperfect tense expresses an action, process or condition which is incomplete

IOW, the action of finishing is incomplete and will happen in the future. Notice ALSO that "ALL the host" of heaven is now complete. This means that the last sinner to be created in Christ is safely in Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (ceased creating) on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.

God ends ALL of His work of creating since creating is what God does. God ends His work of creating since it has now been brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven, which includes ALL Christians, are in Heaven. The word "rested" is in the Hebrew perfect tense which means that God rests from ALL of His work then at this time, forever. It will be too late to be saved. Gen 1:26 Gen 5:1 and John 14:16

God's work of "creating" mankind in His Image, or In Christ is now complete. When God rests (ceases) from ALL of His work of creating new creatures in Christ, it will be too late to be born again Spiritually.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

God will NOT create again since this is the end of the Creation of the perfect Heaven and it is filled with ALL of it's host. God's work is finished for Eternity.

Obviously the text doesn't mean that God just quit doing anything. But it clearly means that God was DONE with the work of creation. This has nothing to do with "theology" of ancient men and everything to do with the plain and clear reading of the text. Jesus told us that the Father still works but He didn't say anything about the Father still creating anything. That is you twisting Jesus' words to mean what you want them to mean rather than what they actually mean.

Then please tell us HOW one is born again Spiritually. You will find that it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) to create eternally. God's work of creating sinners in Christ continues today, since we live at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Humankind/Adam in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. The prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is FUTURE. IF you don't believe me, tell me when Lions ate straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7

 

[Aman777]

Oh Camila, Camila, see what you get when you start a thread like this? Not only do we hear of garden variety creationism but we learn all about robot penguins, x-Ray vision, disdain for reading science, biological watches, and the concept that Adam lived before the Big Bang. You created a monster!

Maybe next time you should stick with what science knows.

Why? since Science knows ONLY of life in the present Universe, which was NOT made until the end of the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Science knows this is true since it was less than 1 Billion years after the Big Bang The First Stars in the Universe when the Stars lit up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Since each Day/Age is some 4.5 Billion years in length (in man's time) the beginning of our Cosmos was late on the 3rd Day which was long AFTER Adam was made. Gen 2:4-7 Are you beginning to see the InComplete nature of the false Toe?

 

[Aman777]

I've never understood why some Christians make their faith contingent on science.

Either God told us the complete Truth and nothing but the Truth, or He is a liar. God told us the Truth but some reject His Truth in favor of man's changeable half truth. Those who think God lied in Scripture are called unbelievers. Is it any wonder that they are so ignorant of God's Truth?

 

[tas8831]

Cats producing cats and nothing but cats for 1000 of years supports "after their kind," and can't be falsified.

Are cheetahs their own kind?

They have some rather dog-like features...

Since it can't be falsified, it is true.

So, you do not understand that there is a difference between unfalsifiable (e.g., creationism) and not yet falsified?

Beans always producing beans and nothing but beans for 1000 of years proves "after their kind and can't be falsified.

Eagles always producing eagles and nothing but eagles for 1000 of years prove "after their kind and can't be falsified

Humans always producing humans and nothing but humans for 1000 of years prove after their kind and can't be falsified.

A land animal wading in the ocean eating fish, will NEVER cause a leg to become a fin or a nose to become a blowhole. Since it can't, it is already falsified.

That was so cool how you wrote the same basic thing over and over.

By the way -a blowhole is a nostril, not a nose.

But how would you know?

 

[tas8831]

Either God told us the complete Truth and nothing but the Truth, or He is a liar. God told us the Truth but some reject His Truth in favor of man's changeable half truth. Those who think God lied in Scripture are called unbelievers. Is it any wonder that they are so ignorant of God's Truth?

Can you tell us all exactly which scriptures God actually wrote?

Because it looks to me that the fact is, God didn't write anything, and all scripture is written by men - 'man-made', as pshun would say.

 

[tas8831]

What don't I know about DNA? Be sure to include any proven science that supports your opinion.

Can you tell us what an "allie" in DNA is? Creationist justatruthseeker thinks that there are such things in DNA, but I don't know what they are.

 

[tas8831]

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed but I do have a BS from a major university, which indicates it do have a better than average reading comprehsion [sic] ability.

Trump University by chance?

 

[Aman777]

Can you tell us all exactly which scriptures God actually wrote?

Because it looks to me that the fact is, God didn't write anything, and all scripture is written by men - 'man-made', as pshun would say.

All Scripture was God breathed 2Ti 3:16 to the men who penned the words, from inside them, 2Pe 1:21 by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth.

 

[xianghua]

A bonafide qualified and published geneticist told you "I want to know what the position of the lines means. Where's the sequence that's being compared? If they're not in the same positions, then they're not orthologous. If we can't tell whether they're in the same position, then we can't tell whether they're orthologous."

and i told him back that they are orthologous since they are almost in identical positions on the genome. as we can see in this figure:

 

[xianghua]

No, since I was using the simplest multicellular eye as a reference. There are biological processes performed by individual small proteins, and even short sequences of RNA.

ok. lets be in focus here. do you think that its possible to evolve a new complex system from other complex system just by adding one or 2 parts each step? say a motion system into a vision system or a hearing system and so on. by the way (just as a general note) english isnt my native so i may not understand some of your words.

 

[xianghua]

We have posted evidence and you just ignored it.

Here are fossil hominids that have been found. You have no explanation for why all these fossils have been found at the times shown, do you? Why do they fit so well with evolution?

first: its fit well also with creation. secondly: what about a case that doesnt fit well with evolution like this one?:

if fossils in the correct order support evolution then fossils in the wrong order should be evidence against it. dont you think?

(image from File:Zachelmie tracks vs selected Devonian fossils.svg - Wikimedia Commons)

 

[pitabread]

Trump University by chance?

 

[pitabread]

first: its fit well also with creation

s'funny, because you say that about literally everything.