Trump admin will directly help Christians in the Middle East rather than use ‘ineffective’ UN progra

[redleghunter]

Trump admin will directly help Christians in the Middle East rather than use ‘ineffective’ UN programs

WASHINGTON, D.C., October 27, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Vice President Pence announced Wednesday that the U.S. will provide relief to persecuted Christians in the Middle East directly through USAID rather than “ineffective” United Nations programs.

“It is my privilege to announce that President Trump has ordered the State Department to stop funding ineffective relief efforts at the United Nations,” Pence told the In Defense of Christians summit. “From this day forward, America will provide support directly to persecuted communities through USAID.”

USAID is a government agency that provides foreign assistance.

It “carries out U.S. foreign policy by promoting broad-scale human progress at the same time it expands stable, free societies, creates markets and trade partners for the United States, and fosters good will abroad,” its website says.

USAID also describes itself as “the world's largest family planning bilateral donor.” It’s unclear whether its well-documented promotion of contraception will have anything to do with relief efforts in the Middle East.

Pence noted that although the Obama administration devoted “well over a billion dollars in humanitarian aid to the Middle East,” most of that money went through the UN, which “has too often failed to help the most vulnerable communities, especially religious minorities.”

Trump admin will directly help Christians in the Middle East rather than use ‘ineffective’ UN programs

 

[elliott95]

Christian supporters of Trump are bullied with accusations that they are for the dehumanization of Muslims.

What Christian supporters of Trump are for is ending the dehumanization of the Christians of the ME through genocide, and some attempts at identifying and stopping the Middle East Muslims who are creating this terror against the Christians.
Obama in effect funded the jihadists who dominated the refugee camps which no Christian dared to enter.

Trump listened to what the Evangelicals were telling him instead of listening to the bullies and their shrieks of "Islamophobe!!!" on the issue.

This is good policy that would not have come about with a Clinton in the WH.

 

[miamited]

Hi redleghunter,

Well, I'm willing to wait for a few chips to fall and see where they lay. Trump has never been known to be a particularly generous man and so this may be, and yes I freely admit that I'm only throwing this idea out for consideration and not making any hard and fast claims as to his purpose here, just his way of not giving a lot of aid.

As an example: Let's say that last year we gave $500 million to the UN supported aid programs. This year Donald Trump says that we're not going to give our aid through that organization which effectively stops our giving $500 million dollars. So, how much aid will we now give directly to other nations? $100 million? And will all of that aid come with no strings attached as UN aid generally does, or will our new aid program merely be a way that we can use our largess in giving aid to strike deals? Will whatever small amounts of aid we give to other struggling people now be just another tool in our box of political ploy toys?

Just curious and I'm willing to wait and see. What seems to be happening with Donald Trump is that he's effectively taking us out of the world. He's tried, or at least made claims, to break all of our long standing trade deals with other nations because they aren't in our best interest. He's attempting to remove us from the Paris Climate Accord because it's not in our best interest. Now he's attempting to stop giving aid through the organization that most of the rest of the world gives aid, because it's not in our best interest.

That's what we're becoming. A nation of self-serving, selfish, withdrawn from the rest of the world, people. Why? Well, that's simple. We're better than everyone else now just as Donald Trump understands himself as better than everyone else. We'll see.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Dawnhammer]

Knowing Trump this aid will probably be gift cards to Trump hotels and golf courses with half of it already donated to his re-election fund.

 

[He is Risen 72]

The UN has become just another Islamic and dictator control organization that funnels money and aid to despot regimes and terrorist and allows the most persecuted people in the world, Christians in Islamic countries, to suffer and die at the hands of Islamic extremists.

 

[miamited]

The UN has become just another Islamic and dictator control organization that funnels money and aid to despot regimes and terrorist and allows the most persecuted people in the world, Christians in Islamic countries, to suffer and die at the hands of Islamic extremists.

Hi HIR,

Just so it's out there. I respectfully disagree with your estimation of the UN. Yes, they do send aid into what we, the selfish and self-centered of America, believe to be Islamic and dictator controlled nations. However, their work of providing aid shouldn't be based on the political institutions of a nation. But merely working to help suffering people all over the world. After all, the UN is an organization made up of men and women who represent nearly all the nations of the world. Not just those whose governments are aligned with our own. There are 193 nations currently represented in the body of the UN. Each of those 193 nations have the right to be heard and their people to be served by the UN. Even nations that are not represented within the body of the UN can be served by aid from the UN if the general body agrees to such a thing.

As far as I understand it, the UN is not just some Islamic organization. Yes, there are muslims, who worship the religion of Islam, who are the representatives for many majority muslim nations. Just as there are capitalists who represent the many capitalist structured nations. Democratic representatives of the many democratically structured nations and socialists of the many socialist structured nations. There is no majority of muslims among the 193 representatives who hold seats in the UN.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[redleghunter]

Trump has never been known to be a particularly generous man and so this may be, and yes I freely admit that I'm only throwing this idea out for consideration and not making any hard and fast claims as to his purpose here, just his way of not giving a lot of aid.

You confuse me here.

This is a US relief effort and not a Trump private charity endeavor.

We already know the Trump family and business generously gives to charity privately.

St. Jude Official Confirms Eric Trump Raised $16.3M to Benefit Hospital

 

[miamited]

You confuse me here.

This is a US relief effort and not a Trump private charity endeavor.

We already know the Trump family and business generously gives to charity privately.

St. Jude Official Confirms Eric Trump Raised $16.3M to Benefit Hospital

Hi RLH,

Uhhh, ok if you say so. I hope you understand that your supporting evidence doesn't say that the Trump family gave any of their money to benefit the hospital.

Here's an article that tends to explain that while the Trump Foundation does hand out a lot of money in charitable donations through it's work, the money itself is rarely Donald Trump's money. He's good at getting other people to support a cause. I'm talking about Donald Trump himself not being a particularly generous person. This doesn't in any way mean that his son, not Donald Trump, heads up a fundraising operation that takes from the rich and gives to the poor. It's just that 'the rich' doesn't seem to ever include Donald Trump himself as one of those generous donors.

Trump and the Truth: His Charitable Giving

Individuals that comprise a family can often have different personalities and take on different roles in the things that they spend their personal time on. I was watching 60 Minutes on Sunday and they did an expose on one of the Koch brothers. While two of the brothers are very high profile, always making loads of money kinds of guys, the third brother, while still fabulously wealthy because of the family money that was handed down, isn't like them in living a life that's all about making more and more money. I'm not saying that the third brother is particularly generous either, the expose' didn't ever bring up that part of his life. I'm only saying that Eric Trump and Donald Trump do obviously seem to have a different understanding of the goals of life.

Here's another article that shows that while Eric Trump does seem to have a true altruistic heart, even the items that his father put towards this particular event got paid for. Donald Trump did not allow his son to make use of the golf course for free, which would have been his part of any charitable donation to the cause.

Trump and the Truth: His Charitable Giving

Now, you're certainly free to believe what you will about this issue, but the very core nature of Donald Trump does seem to be pretty narcissistic and stingy. Prior to his run for the presidency, I've never seen any story that Donald Trump gave some large amount of money to a charity out of his own pocketbook. Donald Trump has a phalanx of corporate attorneys who have well schooled him on how he can make money by running foundations that give away other people's money.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[elliott95]

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The UN has become just another Islamic and dictator control organization that funnels money and aid to despot regimes and terrorist and allows the most persecuted people in the world, Christians in Islamic countries, to suffer and die at the hands of Islamic extremists.

The UN has stopped 0 genocides since its inception. It has shown no interest in stopping the genocide against Christians. America on the other hand has been there to stop the genocide against Muslims in the Balkans. America is exceptional in that sense. It has the power, and sometimes the goodwill, to effect positive change in the world.

There was always that saying that when Christians of America start loving the unborn more than they hate the GOP then abortion will be a thing of the past. (Imagine that, Christians of America uniting over their love of the unborn, rather than putting their political leanings first. Unicorns are more likely).
The same applies here. When Christians of America start loving their fellow Christians of the ME more than they hate Trump, then they will start cooperating with people who want to do something about it, rather than pretending that the Islamophiles of the UN care about the genocide of the Christians of the ME.

 

[Hank77]

The UN has become just another Islamic and dictator control organization that funnels money and aid to despot regimes and terrorist and allows the most persecuted people in the world, Christians in Islamic countries, to suffer and die at the hands of Islamic extremists.

I'm not saying that this isn't true but I would like your source for this information. Thanks

 

[elliott95]

I'm not saying that this isn't true but I would like your source for this information. Thanks

What has the UN done to stop the genocide of Christians in the ME?
Have they set up any refugee camps for the Christians and the Yazidi.

Look up Durban. Look up Iran being a member of the human rights council on women's rights. Look up UN and the advocacy of blasphemy laws.

 

[Hank77]

You confuse me here.

This is a US relief effort and not a Trump private charity endeavor.

We already know the Trump family and business generously gives to charity privately.

St. Jude Official Confirms Eric Trump Raised $16.3M to Benefit Hospital

So because I personally raised over $14,000 for a family's medical expenses, that is me personally being generous? I don't think so. It was the many donors who gave donations who were generous.

 

[Hank77]

What has the UN done to stop the genocide of Christians in the ME?
Have they set up any refugee camps for the Christians and the Yazidi.

Look up Durban. Look up Iran being a member of the human rights council on women's rights. Look up UN and the advocacy of blasphemy laws.

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A.HRC.RES.16.18_en.pdf
A/HRC/RES/19/8 - E
ODS HOME PAGE

So I did as you advised and looked by the UN in relationship to 'blasphemy laws'. These are the lastest UN resolutions that I found. Could you tell me where they are advocating for 'blasphemy laws' because that is not how I am understanding them?

 

[miamited]

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The UN has stopped 0 genocides since its inception. It has shown no interest in stopping the genocide against Christians. America on the other hand has been there to stop the genocide against Muslims in the Balkans. America is exceptional in that sense. It has the power, and sometimes the goodwill, to effect positive change in the world.

There was always that saying that when Christians of America start loving the unborn more than they hate the GOP then abortion will be a thing of the past. (Imagine that, Christians of America uniting over their love of the unborn, rather than putting their political leanings first. Unicorns are more likely).
The same applies here. When Christians of America start loving their fellow Christians of the ME more than they hate Trump, then they will start cooperating with people who want to do something about it, rather than pretending that the Islamophiles of the UN care about the genocide of the Christians of the ME.

Hi elliot,

I'm not sure that you're looking at the big picture or even have the little picture in true focus. A lot of what you are claiming about the U.S. stopping, as far as genocide, were operations that were brought before the U.N. and with their approval and the help of other nations a force was gathered to fight what many nations perceived as genocide. Many of these campaigns were joint campaigns with Germany, France, U.K., Ireland, Canada, etc. They were most often not just some U.S. campaign and many of them were fought with approvals given through the U.N. process.

Secondly, the U.N. is not some war making entity. There aren't any tanks or artillery pieces emblazoned with the symbol of the U.N. There are troop personnel carriers which do have the U.N. logo and many smaller pieces of transport. Generally, what the U.N. does is to sanction some military effort of a coalition of nations that do have such weaponry. So, I'm not sure that one should expect to understand that the U.N. is designed to stop some act of genocide as far as putting their forces and weapons on the ground to do such a thing. When the U.N. sanctions a military effort against genocide then they are doing what is allowable and intended for them to do as far as fighting genocide.

It may well be that there is not a full understanding of what the U.N. is established to do within the framework of world nations working together.

As far as the U.N. drawing up some force to combat christian persecution? I'm not sure that you'll find that they've ever combated muslim persecution either. They were never established to fight against or for particular religious dogmas. They were established to be a body that could work towards peace among the nations through diplomacy, and when necessary, call on a coalition of nations to combat particularly egregious military actions.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[elliott95]

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A.HRC.RES.16.18_en.pdf
A/HRC/RES/19/8 - E
ODS HOME PAGE

So I did as you advised and looked by the UN in relationship to 'blasphemy laws'. These are the lastest UN resolutions that I found. Could you tell me where they are advocating for 'blasphemy laws' because that is not how I am understanding them?

The UN is an organization that had the Islamic conference and the preponderance of the developing world voting in support of the universal institution of blasphemy law, and effort which was only defeated by the Western world, which still hangs on to the vestiges of freedom, despite the efforts of post-modernists to corrupt even that. This is in a world where places like Pakistan still deal with accusations of Christians blaspheming with capital punishment, if the mob does not get to them first.
In Iranian jails, women are subjugated to serial rape as punishment, according to Shia laws which condone multiple marriages and divorces, and in this way several guards can take their turns at the girl one after another, marriage divorce, marriage divorce, on and on. And this is a country that the UN put on a committee to look after the rights of woman. A Canadian woman journalist was tortured to death in prisons, and that is how it is done in Iran.
Durban was all about the UN anti-Semitic hate fest, again led by the powerful Islamic conference block.

The bottom line is that the UN has done nothing, zero, nada, zippo, to prevent the genocide of the Christian and the Yazidi people in the ME. That is just the fact. Christians who enter the refugee camps exit as corpses. That is what the UN has to offer.

There are a certain amount of Evangelical Christians in the US mainly who got Trump's ear on this, and he promised to do something on this.

And now he is doing something on this.

I commend the Trump administration for this. I think I made that clear.
If you prefer the status quo and trust the UN to handle the plight of Christians in the ME with their usual competence, then by all means focus on how generous the Trumps aren't, and trust the UN to do the job just as they have been up until now.

But for me, I think it is good that Trump listened to the Christians in America who saw the problem, and is trying to do something on it. The UN is a useless vehicle for preventing genocide, according to their record. If America and a western block of democracies do not stand up for the rights of Christians, nobody in the UN ever will.
They are too busy trying to pass blasphemy laws to be used against Christians and the motley crew of Hebdo types, and laws that justify wiping Jews off of the map of the Levant, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Hank77]

The UN is an organization that had the Islamic conference and the preponderance of the developing world voting in support of the universal institution of blasphemy law, and effort which was only defeated by the Western world, which still hangs on to the vestiges of freedom, despite the efforts of post-modernists to corrupt even that. This is in a world where places like Pakistan still deal with accusations of Christians blaspheming with capital punishment, if the mob does not get to them first.
In Iranian jails, women are subjugated to serial rape as punishment, according to Shia laws which condone multiple marriages and divorces, and in this way several guards can take their turns at the girl one after another, marriage divorce, marriage divorce, on and on. And this is a country that the UN put on a committee to look after the rights of woman. A Canadian woman journalist was tortured to death in prisons, and that is how it is done in Iran.
Durban was all about the UN anti-Semitic hate fest, again led by the powerful Islamic conference block.

The bottom line is that the UN has done nothing, zero, nada, zippo, to prevent the genocide of the Christian and the Yazidi people in the ME. That is just the fact. Christians who enter the refugee camps exit as corpses. That is what the UN has to offer.

There are a certain amount of Evangelical Christians in the US mainly who got Trump's ear on this, and he promised to do something on this.

And now he is doing something on this.

I commend the Trump administration for this. I think I made that clear.
If you prefer the status quo and trust the UN to handle the plight of Christians in the ME with their usual competence, then by all means focus on how generous the Trumps aren't, and trust the UN to do the job just as they have been up until now.

But for me, I think it is good that Trump listened to the Christians in America who saw the problem, and is trying to do something on it. The UN is a useless vehicle for preventing genocide, according to their record. If America and a western block of democracies do not stand up for the rights of Christians, nobody in the UN ever will.
They are too busy trying to pass blasphemy laws to be used against Christians and the motley crew of Hebdo types, and laws that justify wiping Jews off of the map of the Levant, etc. etc. etc.

So you cannot point to anything in the UN resolutions that promote 'blasphemy laws"? That was all I was asking.

 

[Hank77]

Durban was all about the UN anti-Semitic hate fest, again led by the powerful Islamic conference block.

Obama Administration boycott Durbin III, here is a good article about that but the author felt....
The Obama Administration should be commended for this decision. The symbolism of the boycott is important. If the U.S. had attended Durban III, it would have lent legitimacy to the proceedings and to the original Durban Declaration and its associated anti-Semitic agenda. However, even though the U.S. rightly boycotted Durban III, unless action is taken, American taxpayer dollars will help pay for the disgraceful conference. The U.S. should complement its boycott by withholding the proportionate U.S. share of the cost of Durban III.
The Obama Administration Was Right to Boycott Durban III, but Should Also Withhold U.S. Funds

 

[Hank77]

The bottom line is that the UN has done nothing, zero, nada, zippo, to prevent the genocide of the Christian and the Yazidi people in the ME. That is just the fact. Christians who enter the refugee camps exit as corpses. That is what the UN has to offer.

Here is a support article.....
Today, Secretary of State John Kerry declared that Islamic State attacks on Christians and other minorities constitute genocide. The House of Representatives and other organizations had already made that determination, but the State Department had to build a legal case. As NPR's Tom Gjelten reports, by saying the Islamic State is engaged in genocide, the U.S. could now be obligated to take additional actions against the group.
State Department Declares ISIS Attacks On Christians Constitute Genocide

No action was taken until now under the Trump Administration.

 

[elliott95]

So you cannot point to anything in the UN resolutions that promote 'blasphemy laws"? That was all I was asking.

The UN has become just another Islamic and dictator control organization that funnels money and aid to despot regimes and terrorist and allows the most persecuted people in the world, Christians in Islamic countries, to suffer and die at the hands of Islamic extremists.

While genocides against Christians are happening in the House of Islam, the UN is spending its time and resources on Durban I to infinity, anti-Semitic hate fests that embolden the terrorists to continue their terrorism against Israel.
Despotic misogynist countries are given status through sitting on prestigious UN councils on human rights for women.
And the UN has done nothing to stop the genocide against Christians in the ME.

No resolutions, or special sessions, or debates on that, years into the genocide now. Nothing nada zippo zilch.

I think that the truth of how the UN operates ought to be apparent enough now. If something good is going to get done, it is through America, and her Western allies taking a leading role.

 

[elliott95]

Here is a support article.....
Today, Secretary of State John Kerry declared that Islamic State attacks on Christians and other minorities constitute genocide. The House of Representatives and other organizations had already made that determination, but the State Department had to build a legal case. As NPR's Tom Gjelten reports, by saying the Islamic State is engaged in genocide, the U.S. could now be obligated to take additional actions against the group.
State Department Declares ISIS Attacks On Christians Constitute Genocide

No action was taken until now under the Trump Administration.

Yes Hank77, I agree there is a genocide.
And Kudos for the Trump administration for doing something. Nobody else in the world is.

Putin played lip service to it, when nobody else was, and that is how he was able to build some inroads with the Christian right.

That is the connection that I witnessed on social media boards between the Putin thugocracy and the alt.right, when that alt.right not even called the alt.right , and was still in its infancy. A lot of Christians became interested in the European 'Orthodox' nationalist thug who was taking an actual interest in what was happening to Christians, genocidally speaking.

He was the only one.


All along the establishment post-modernists in the West were looking out for Muslims, and the 'genocide' that is going on against the Muslims, which is defined as Muslims killing Muslims killing other Muslims, as Muslims demographics expanded globally, for the most part.

That is what interests the post-modernist movement in the West still. Muslim refugees seeking haven from Muslims killing them. That is where the Good for the post-modernist West lies.

In the meantime, Christians and Yazidis were being -are being- wiped off the ME map, even as Muslim populations are burgeoning globally as a result of that 'genocide' that the post-modernists concern themselves with exclusively.

And meanwhile the post-modernists in the West run interference with every plan that takes note of Christian genocide, for example by bitterly disputing the legal right to aim refugee policy at an identifiable religious group, namely Christians, and running intereference with every plan that tries to deal with proper vetting of the 'Muslims killing Muslims killing other Muslims' refugee situation.

But the Trump administration has finally developed a policy, anyway.

Yes. The genocide is real. Everybody knows that. It has been real for years, years before any report.

And the Trump administration is doing something about that now.

Finally. I am good with that. Finally.

I get the strong impression that a lot of Christians are not all that interested though.