JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[bugkiller]

Why do you think that Jesus has a different set of commandments to our Heavenly father when it is written; I and my Father are one (John 10:30)?

Why do you think Jesus gave the 10 Cs when He claims otherwise?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Don't know where you went to page 6 for me listed is not even on the whole page

I really wanted to believe you were more competent than that.

bugkiller

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do you think Jesus gave the 10 Cs when He claims otherwise? bugkiller

Where does it say in the scriptures that Jesus did not give the 10 commandments?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I really wanted to believe you were more competent than that.bugkiller

Post # 679. Maybe you did not read it.

 

[Bob S]

Well nothing you have said above is true at all.

Jesus tells each of us to turn our other cheek. I will graciously do that not only for Him, but for myself. If I have lied, and that is only your assessment, then Jesus should deal with me. If what I wrote is the truth then who should Jesus deal with? I had hoped you would recognized that some people have been programed to believe way far out beliefs even when the Word is all they need for eternal life. Keeping Sabbath was not a salvational law. None of Torah was. Salvation does not come from doing the law. Salvation is a gift from Jesus. JN 3:16. I pray that we all will believe that Jn3:16 is the truth and stop claiming that we are saved by doing.

Only God is true. Who should we believe God or man? Jesus says if we are following the traditions and teachings of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God.

Who should we believe and follow, God or man?

I am glad that is not Biblical that worshiping on any day breaks any law. Each one of us do have opinions. I grant you yours, but I do not have to believe it because I have not read your opinion in scripture, but thanks for posting.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus tells each of us to turn our other cheek. I will graciously do that not only for Him, but for myself. If I have lied, and that is only your assessment, then Jesus should deal with me. If what I wrote is the truth then who should Jesus deal with? I had hoped you would recognized that some people have been programed to believe way far out beliefs even when the Word is all they need for eternal life. Keeping Sabbath was not a salvation law. None of Torah was. Salvation does not come from doing the law. Salvation is a gift from Jesus. JN 3:16. I pray that we all will believe that Jn3:16 is the truth and stop claiming that we are saved by doing.

Hi Bob, not quite sure what your talking about. What your saying above in relation to one sentence in a longer post which you have pulled out here.........

LoveGodsWord said: Well nothing you have said above is true at all.

Which was a response to this post you wrote here................

I surely have presented scripture that proves the 10 are done away. The fact is you won't recognize Paul's writing. I know how Adventist think brother because I was programed to believe certain things just as Mormons are programed to believe the book of Mormon and JWs are programed to believe the Watchtower. Would agree those under their control have been programed? It happens to the best of us. Thank God I caught the Beam coming to all of us from Heaven. I also thank God for sending others to help me understand passages that didn't agree with the SDA doctrines. I am here to be one like the ones that helped me.

Do I believe the above statement you wrote? No I do not. That is why I said it is not true. Do I think you believe it? I think you do. Did I call you a liar for what you wrote? No I did not. Maybe you are building things that are not there? As to the Torah you may need to revisit your definition because the Torah is the first 5 books of the bible. Are you saying these are not for Christians? If you are referring to the 10 commandments. We are not saved by keeping God's Law we are only saved by faith in God's Word. However, obedience is the fruit of faith. If we have known unrepentant sin in our life we do not know God because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the scriptures tell us whosoever practices sin has neither seen him or knows him (1 John 3:6).

LoveGodsWord said: Only God is true. Who should we believe God or man? Jesus says if we are following the traditions and teachings of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Who should we believe and follow, God or man?
Bob S said: I am glad that is not Biblical that worshiping on any day breaks any law. Each one of us do have opinions. I grant you yours, but I do not have to believe it because I have not read your opinion in scripture, but thanks for posting.

Well that statement to me is not true either because the statement you are referring to comes from scripture. God's Word does not tell us to worship him on any day of the week. God's Word does not tell us that the 4th commandment has been abolished and God's Word does not command us to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sunday worship is tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

We must believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man....

 

[stuart lawrence]

Actually nope. Salvation in the old testament is the same as those in the new (QUOTE]

Why did Jesus die on the cross?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have said nothing that you have said above. ..

I said in the post you refer to you stated you were not perfect. As you are claiming you said nothing I wrote, do you want me to go and copy paste it?? Try not to bear false witness. Remember, you will be judged on whether you obey the law, for:

The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you
Matt7:2

As for the rest of your post. Just more deflection from your inability to answer questions put I'm afraid

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is only by faith that works by love that anyone can follow him who loves all. How can we being evil do good things? Truly, truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise see the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and they are foolishness unto him.

Many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way and few there be that find it. Only the mirror shows the way so the blind can see. Those that say they see are really the blind ones and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch. Those that have looked into the mirror however see they are blind so they walk by faith and not by sight. They see the one who loves all and follow him.

Only by love can God fulfill his Law in the blind because they walk by faith and see him who loves all. The mirror shows the way. How can you know the way when you have no mirror or your mirror is broken?

Well it appears you can do evil and not realise you are doing it, for the SDA I have known commit more unknowing sin than any church I have ever worshipped at. And you appear to support the notion of committing unknown sin.
The blind are those who preach what they do not practice. They hinge their hope of heaven on obeying the law. They then obey the legalistic law, that which can be seen by men, but do not obey the law pertaining to the inner man. They excuse such law breaking, or some even don't realise they are breaking the law(unknown sin) Just as the Pharisees of Jesus day cleaned the outside of the cup, but not the inside.

But you don't fulfil the law by love do you, for as you said, you are not perfect

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is true that some only see what they want to see because it is written; Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Absolutely. And whose ears did not hear in Jesus day, and whose eyes did not see? The religious who pinned their hopes of heaven on obeying the letter of the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is true that some only see what they want to see .

I agree. Its good to be able to explain the message, not just quote the letter!


The new covenant



Now you may be wondering why people cannot act however they like if they do not have to be good enough for God. For if their salvation hinges on faith, and not being good enough under the law, surely they can do whatever they want without a care in the world. People should be free to rob a bank, for instance, and not worry about it, for they are righteous in God’s sight by faith, and that has no bearing on how they live out their lives, correct?

Well to answer this important point, I would like to draw your attention to a huge difference between the Old Covenant that existed before Christ died on the cross, and the New Covenant that followed. The writer of Hebrews states in the tenth chapter and the sixteenth and seventeenth verses: “‘This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts and I will write them on their minds.’ Then He adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.’” (NIV)

Now what does it mean to put God’s laws in the hearts and write them on the minds of new converts? Well, I like the way the Living Bible puts verse sixteen: “‘I will write My laws into their minds so that they will always know My will, and I will put My laws in their hearts so that they will want to obey them.’”

It means, therefore, converts will want to obey the good and holy laws of God in their hearts. Now this does not mean a long list of laws will flash before their eyes every waking minute of their lives. No. It means that in their minds they instinctively know how God wants them to live, and in their hearts they want to live as God desires. They no longer seek a life of sin, but a life in line with God’s will. They have in this sense been born again. That is what Jesus told Nicodemus must happen the night he came to see Him in John 3:3: “‘Very truly I tell you No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.’” (NIV)

New converts are changed by the Holy Spirit who has entered their lives. He lives in them, and their conscience will now bear witness to wrong things in their lives in a way it did not before. This is an amazing thing God does for those who come to His Son. No man could

bring about such a change in himself − only God could − and it is a provision He makes for all those who accept His Son as their Lord and Saviour.

You see, the Israelites in the Old Testament had the written law – the laws they were to follow to live as God desired. God gave that law to them at Mt. Sinai. The most famous of these laws were the Ten Commandments, though God gave many other laws, as well. Most of the time, however, those written laws stood against the Israelites because in their hearts they didn’t want to follow God. They almost mechanically strove to obey because the law was not written on their hearts. They thought they would be all right if they simply followed certain rules, regulations, and ceremonies. It is the heart that matters most to God, however, and their hearts were far away from Him most of the time, whereas those who are born again under the New Covenant want in their hearts to obey God.

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff-necked people who would soon desert Him once they reached the Promised Land. Their history as a nation records that most of the time they turned away from God, got into a mess, and found themselves in dire situations. Then they repented of their wrongs and asked for God’s help, and He forgave them and got them out of the messes they were in. This was a cycle they repeated over and over again. It wasn’t always like this, but the vast majority of the time it was. So you see, having the written law didn’t in itself help them, because their hearts were far from God most of the time.

But that was the Old Covenant. Under the New Covenant, which reigns supreme today, God has softened our hearts by putting the desire to obey Him within us. The prophet Ezekiel wrote of this hundreds of years before Christ died on the cross. He says in the thirty-sixth chapter of his book and the twenty-sixth and twenty-seventh verses: “‘I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.’” (NIV)

God says “I will” three times in the above verse. You see, friend, it is what God does for us. He will give us new hearts. He will remove our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh. He will put his Spirit within us and move us to want to obey His laws. God will do these things for all those who accept His Son as their Saviour.

So not only do we have a totally free salvation, but when we come to God through His Son, God changes us into people who want to please and obey Him in our hearts. Now anyone who wants to obey God in his or her heart cannot at the same time wilfully − without conscience − seek to disobey Him, correct? Such a thing is not possible.

Now when you are born again something significant happens. You become aware of your sin before God for the first time in your life. In order for us to understand why this is so, we need to understand what sin actually is. The disciple John tells us in 1 John 3:4, “Sin is the transgression of the law.” (KJV)

So we see the definition of sin. It is breaking the law of God. The Apostle Paul states in Romans 3:20, “Through the law we become conscious of our sin.” (NIV)

You see, friend, only when you are conscious of God’s laws can you be conscious of your shortfall of obedience to those laws, and your shortfall of obedience is your sin. For sin is breaking the law of God. Before you become a Christian, you sin in ignorance of the fact that you are sinning. Once you become a Christian, however, the spotlight has been turned on. Through the knowledge of God’s laws placed on our hearts and written on our minds, therefore, we have knowledge in our hearts of how far short we fall in obedience to God’s laws. At that point, we have a heartfelt conviction of our sin.

Now we have looked at what it means to be born again. Let us now look at the second core component of the New Covenant the Christian is under, which is found in verse seventeen: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.’” So under the terms of the New Covenant, a person’s sins (which are lawless acts) will be remembered no more. We know this is true, of course, because Jesus died for our sins at Calvary.

At the very moment you accept Christ as your Saviour, therefore, the Holy Spirit places the law God wants you to keep on your heart and writes it on your mind. You are born again. This results in you desiring in your heart to live as God wants you to. Because that is what you want, Jesus is an atonement for your sin.

You see, friend, God is not stupid. He had it all figured out. He did not create a covenant whereby those who know they have a righteousness before Him apart from the law would then use that knowledge as a licence to sin. He created a covenant whereby He places the desire to obey Him in the hearts of those who accept His Son as their Saviour. Because that is what they want, He will remember their sins no more. So we see the two foundational principles of the New Covenant are inextricably linked. God changes us into people who want to obey, and because we do, Christ paid the penalty of our sin.

You see, there is what we can term an “unbridgeable gap” that will be reflected in our lives. That gap is the difference between the perfect demands of God’s good and holy laws and our obedience to them. Now as I have met no one who has claimed to be perfect in his or her flesh, I have met no one who has ever claimed to obey God’s laws perfectly. We all fall short, every one of us. Thus we can say, “Christ died to bridge the unbridgeable gap.” The more we follow the true path of the Gospel message, the narrower the gap becomes. A gap, however, will always remain, friend, for you will never be perfect in your flesh.

I would once again place before you the basis of the covenant the Christian is under, friend, for it is something we need to fully appreciate to move forward in the Christian faith. So once again, here Hebrews 10:16-17: “‘This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts and write them on their minds.’ Then He adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.’” (NIV)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: Actually nope. Salvation in the old testament is the same as those in the new (QUOTE] stuart lawrence said: Why did Jesus die on the cross?

John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18, He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20, For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21, But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Although some will believe His Word and some will not. We must believe God's Word over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I said in the post you refer to you stated you were not perfect. As you are claiming you said nothing I wrote, do you want me to go and copy paste it?? Try not to bear false witness. Remember, you will be judged on whether you obey the law, for: The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge youMatt7:2 As for the rest of your post. Just more deflection from your inability to answer questions put I'm afraid

Friend I am not lying I have already re-posted what I said here for all to read again.

You try to make a story from something I did not say by saying this........

By stating you are not perfect, you must be aware you break Gods laws/commit sin. if you were sinning in ignorance you would not know you weren't perfect would you. For anyone who never commits sin is perfect are they not, for they must perfectly obey the entire law of God. Therefore, you must commit knowing sin, and, according to what you wrote, knowing sin brings condemnation under the law. it also means we do not have the Holy Spirit nor are you therefore walking after the Spirit. So you are making very conflicting statements once we dig into them I'm afraid. But lets consider your idea of committing unknown sin. We can commit sin/break Gods laws without being convicted we are doing so. Who is the convictor of sin in the believers life? It is the Holy Spirit as I hope you would agree(eg John 16:8-11) Therefore, anyone who claims to commit sin without conviction they are sinning would, it stands to reason be living a life where the Holy Spirit does not have the dominance in their life he should have, to put it mildly.

Firstly, the questions you asked were...........

Do you claim to be ignorant of any of Gods laws? I'm sure you must answer no to that. Therefore if you commit sin you must commit knowing sin.

You try to build a story without me even answering the question to asked. I replied to your question by saying..............

Well this is a good question. My answer would be yes and no. I say this because yes I know God's Law (10 commandments) but everyday I am growing in grace so I do not perfectly know the depth of God's Law. This is called growing in grace (1 Peter 2:1-21; Ephesians 4:15; 2 Peter 1:2-12; 2 Peter 3:18; 1 Corinthians 13:9-13)

Your next question was..............

Do you ever commit any sin? You are not going to answer that are you!!

At which I replied...........

Without Jesus all I can do is sin because I am a sinner. I am blind, deaf, lame, poor and naked. Sick in sin and in need of a physician. He is my Physician because I am sick in sin and cannot heal myself. He changes my filthy rags for his white robe of righteousness which he swapped for my filthy rags and by his stripes I am healed. Now I walk in him by faith and not by sight because I am blind. He is in me and His Spirit guides my steps. I am growing in grace and not yet perfect but I am perfect in him as I believe and follow his Word. Now he strengthens me to do all things. I was a servant to sin now he sets me free to love him because he first loved me.

I further went on to qualify this statement with scripture that discusses those who know God and those that do not ..............

Jesus says; Now you are CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD which I have spoken unto you. ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and I IN YOU. As the branch cannot BEAR FRUIT of itself, except it abide in the vine; NO MORE CAN YOU, except you ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches: HE THAT ABIDES IN ME AND I IN HIM, the same brings forth much FRUIT: for WITHOUT ME <the Word> YOU CAN DO NOTHING. If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME <the Word>, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, THAT YOU BARE MUCH FRUIT; SO SHALL YOU BE MY DISCIPLES. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, YOU SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love (John 15:3-10).

This is the same as ............

WALK IN THE SPIRIT and you shall NOT FULFILL THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH (Galatians 5:16: 25; Romans 8:1-4; 14)

The keys .........

It is the SPIRIT that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (John 6:63)

You must be born again to know God's power to be free from sin and bare fruit.........

Whosoever ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: < this is the same as John 15:3-10 above> WHOSOEVER SINS <the fruit> hath not seen him, neither known him <not abiding in him>.
Little children, LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; <why?> FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: <What does the seed represent?; Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God - Luke 8:11> and HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD <through faith in God's word>. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother (1 John 3:6-10)

We are born again by faith in God's Word. Faith is the victory......

BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER (1 Peter 1:23).

Faith is the victory...........

For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD: and THIS IS THE VICTORY THAT OVERCOMES THE WORLD, EVEN OUR FAITH (1 John 5:4).

Let's put it all together.................

It is only through faith by believing and following the word of God that we have victory over sin and know the power of God unto salvation. God's Word is God's power (Jude 1:24; Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 6:7; 1 Peter 1:5) The power of God is according to the Spirit of holiness (Romans 1:4). If we do not know God's Word we do not know his power (Matthew 22:29) If we are sinning we do not know him (1 John 3:6). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12). Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. If we have unrepentant known sin in our lives we do not know God and are not following him..

Now you come back with this..............

By stating you are not perfect, you must be aware you break Gods laws/commit sin. if you were sinning in ignorance you would not know you weren't perfect would you. For anyone who never commits sin is perfect are they not, for they must perfectly obey the entire law of God. Therefore, you must commit knowing sin, and, according to what you wrote, knowing sin brings condemnation under the law. it also means we do not have the Holy Spirit nor are you therefore walking after the Spirit. So you are making very conflicting statements once we dig into them I'm afraid.

That statement of yours is your making up and is not what I said above is it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Absolutely. And whose ears did not hear in Jesus day, and whose eyes did not see? The religious who pinned their hopes of heaven on obeying the letter of the law

Nope it was those that did not believe God and this is the reason that we should not follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Sunday Worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. (see Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well it appears you can do evil and not realise you are doing it, for the SDA I have known commit more unknowing sin than any church I have ever worshipped at. And you appear to support the notion of committing unknown sin. The blind are those who preach what they do not practice. They hinge their hope of heaven on obeying the law. They then obey the legalistic law, that which can be seen by men, but do not obey the law pertaining to the inner man. They excuse such law breaking, or some even don't realise they are breaking the law(unknown sin) Just as the Pharisees of Jesus day cleaned the outside of the cup, but not the inside. But you don't fulfil the law by love do you, for as you said, you are not perfect

Judge not that you be not judged because he who sees, sees all. He knows us and reads the heart. How can you being evil do good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. By their fruits you will know them. Love is a fruit. Those that love have met the physician. The mirror shows the way that all must look into it and see themselves. Then we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it. It is hard to kick against the pricks….

Do you know the meaning of all the scriptures quoted above?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Only by faith in God's Word can we abide in Christ and walk in the Spirit of love

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

"for without me ye can do nothing".

All the works we do are a result of abiding in Christ, a result of Christ working in us. No glory to us, but the works are a witness of our relationship with Christ...............

No Faith = no fruit (obedience) = no connection with Jesus because obedience is the fruit of faith and walking in the Spirit..........

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Faith in God's Word is ABIDING in Christ. This is walking in the Spirit and the power of God unto salvation from sin to all those who believe (Romans 1:16; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:31-36; Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:15; 15:10; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16; 25; 1 John 5:4; Jude 1:24; Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 6:7; 1 Peter 1:5; Matthew 22:29; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Romans 2:12; 1 Peter 1:16; Romans 7:12; Romans 2:23; Romans 3:31; Romans 6:1-23 sorry there is too many more will stop here).

This is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. We must believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. If we are following the traditions of man that breaks the commandments of God, Jesus says we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[Bob S]

When I gave my heart to Jesus and received received the Holy Spirit in my heart I didn't say oh my I feel the need to worship on Saturday and I surely do not believe any one else does either. I do feel the need to rest in Jesus and I do this every day. I congregate with like believers on Sunday for corporate worship and come away blessed. I have never felt in my heart that it is a sin to worship God on any day. While a SDA I surely did parrot others, but it didn't come from the heart. As a SDA I was told that those who worshiped on Sunday were sinning. After reading and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me I now know that it is wrong to judge anyone in that manner. I know that the Sabbath was a requirement for only Israel and God has never asked any nation or people to observe it. It was a ritual law sandwiched between some moral laws that Israel was held accountable to observe. The 10 commandments were not commandments Israel was to do out of love it was their duty to observe them. The greatest commands in all of Torah were the love laws found in the book of the law not in the 101 10 commands. The SDA church spends millions after millions trying to convert people into believing they will go to hell for not observing the Sabbath. Only a handful of people ever respond. Why, if it is written in the heart does not the heart respond? After receiving the Holy Spirit I do not want to sin. I have been born again.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

When I gave my heart to Jesus and received received the Holy Spirit in my heart I didn't say oh my I feel the need to worship on Saturday and I surely do not believe any one else does either. I do feel the need to rest in Jesus and I do this every day. I congregate with like believers on Sunday for corporate worship and come away blessed. I have never felt in my heart that it is a sin to worship God on any day. While a SDA I surely did parrot others, but it didn't come from the heart. As a SDA I was told that those who worshiped on Sunday were sinning. After reading and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me I now know that it is wrong to judge anyone in that manner. I know that the Sabbath was a requirement for only Israel and God has never asked any nation or people to observe it. It was a ritual law sandwiched between some moral laws that Israel was held accountable to observe. The 10 commandments were not commandments Israel was to do out of love it was their duty to observe them. The greatest commands in all of Torah were the love laws found in the book of the law not in the 101 10 commands. The SDA church spends millions after millions trying to convert people into believing they will go to hell for not observing the Sabbath. Only a handful of people ever respond. Why, if it is written in the heart does not the heart respond? After receiving the Holy Spirit I do not want to sin. I have been born again.

Only those who obey God receive the Holy Spirit.............

Acts 5:32
We are his witnesses of these things; and so is also THE HOLY GHOST, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.

We can only trust in the Word of God. The heart is deceitful..................

Jeremiah 17:9
The HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Mark 7:21
For from within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MAN, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery.

Hebrews 3:10
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, THEY DO ALWAYS ERR IN THEIR HEART; and they have not known my ways.

Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF in departing from the living God.

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKS.

Only God is true..........

Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.....

We must believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. If we are following the traditions of man that breaks the commandments of God, Jesus says we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Who should we believe God or man?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Friend I am not lying I have already re-posted what I said here for all to read again.

You try to make a story from something I did not say by saying this........


Firstly, the questions you asked were...........

You try to build a story without me even answering the question to asked. I replied to your question by saying..............

Your next question was..............

At which I replied...........

I further went on to qualify this statement with scripture that discusses those who know God and those that do not ..............

Now you come back with this..............

That statement of yours is your making up and is not what I said above is it?

Then just answer the question with a simple yes or no.

Do you ever commit any sin?

Your refusal to plainly answer the very simple question says much I am afraid.

How can you commit unknowing sin if the law God desires you to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart?
Do you not believe you must know in your mind what has been placed there?

You see, you haven't the courage to plainly answer simple questions have you. You must go all around the houses to avoid answering.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Judge not that you be not judged because he who sees, sees all. He knows us and reads the heart. How can you being evil do good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. By their fruits you will know them. Love is a fruit. Those that love have met the physician. The mirror shows the way that all must look into it and see themselves. Then we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it. It is hard to kick against the pricks….

Do you know the meaning of all the scriptures quoted above?

I wrote the truth in my post. Nothing more nothing less. Once again you have to sidestep responding to what was written. Its a plain fact, that the church I have seen most flagrant sin in(or people committing unknown sin to them) was the SDA church I went to for a couple of months to please a friend. I would be lying if I denied it.

The real difference between you and I, is this.
Can you claim never to dwell on any impure thought, whenever one comes, you immediately resist it every single time?
Do you claim never to get angry with anyone without just cause?
Do you claim never to think unkindly/negatively about anyone when you should not?
Do you claim to truly in your heart faultlessly love all those you come into contact with, including those who may malign, slander or persecute you?
If you claim you faultlessly obey the above, you would be lying. For no human faultlessly obeys the above. Therefore, you yourself commit sin.
And this is the difference between you and I. I do not justify, or seek to excuse my sin/shortcomings. Nor do I convince myself I may commit unknowing sin, for the law God desires me to follow is written on my mind and placed on my heart. And the Holy Spirit convicts me of my sin.
In order for you to say: You are condemned by the law if you commit knowing sin, the Holy Spirit is not in you if you commit knowing sin, neither are you being led of him if you commit knowing sin
You are in reality claiming to not yourself commit knowing sin. Otherwise you condemn yourself. You may simply be blind to the truth, or, you maybe wilfully demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself. Either way, I am not your judge, but there will come a time when you must answer for preaching/demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself. And we know from Jesus words to the pharisees, such preaching is something he hated. Theres no love in it you see for your fellow man, none at all.
On the positive side. No one in theological debates on the internet changes their mind during debate(or only extremely rarely would they) So you wont be doing much harm to anyone here by demanding of them what you do not demand of yourself.