What is the Gift of Prophecy, and has it ceased?
Is it to be used in churches today?
Is it to be used in churches today?
Question about Gift of Prophecy
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... most people know what prophesy is and if it still is in use in the church would depend on whether Joel was considered to be prophetic to the church and at which degree the particular church believed the time of the gentiles to be in.
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You may find Wayne Grudem's book on the subject helpful.
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In general, the old testament prophet age ended at the time John the Baptist was beheaded. The job of a prophet during the age of the law and the prophets was to turn people away from sin and communicate messages directly from God. The basis of prophecy was the law.
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In the new testament age, prophets take on a different role as all gifts are meant for edification of the body of Christ as a whole. The basis of new testament prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.
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The main difference between an OT prophet and a NT prophet is that in the NT, you are instructed to not despise prophesyings, but to test everything and keep what is good and discard what is not. In the OT, the prophet would say THUS SAITH THE LORD, and there was no debate over whether the Lord said it or not, very take it or leave it type thing. In the NT, we weigh what is said based on what God has communicated to us as "good" ... in most contexts, this means the scriptures. However there may be some people who base their agreement or disagreement on how God has treated them over the years. And also in the ancient traditions, the writings of the church fathers may weigh in also.
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So, I believe prophecy has a place in the New Testament age for born again believers, but the old testament example of listen to me or else, is outdated as greatness in the Kingdom of God is not based on lording it over people, but it is based on the service provided.
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I think it's okay if they "say that" (or amend saying I was praying and this came to me) but it's actually up to the congregation and the leadership to discern what part of the prophecy is actually from God. A prophecy without discernment by the congregation, is kind of like tongues without an interpreter, it doesn't edify and it may cause division.
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No, not in the sense of "God told me to tell you," or "God has chosen me to announce the time of the end," or "On November 19th California will fall off into the ocean." "New York City is doomed." Prophecy is "message." A pastor-teacher prepares and presents a message. A Sunday School teacher does the same. A missionary presents a message.
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"The Pastor presented an inspired message today. It was a blessing to all of us."
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When people get ideas while praying and studying the bible, is there an outlet to share such things with the congregation?
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Yes, it does.
I am okay with it that prophesy bit, I really enjoyed the message/preaching a lot,
My wife however does not like the Prophesy at all, although she is open to it, I think she wants to ere on side of caution as we are used to Macathur, Paul Washer type of preaching and reformed cessetionalist baptist church.
It's so sad that there is so much division in the NT church so many denominations, different views on theology, spiritual gifts etc
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Yeh, I know. I can sympathize every time someone writes in to say that there's something good about congregation X and there's something different that is good about congregation Y, but it seems impossible to find a church that has it all together, so they feel stymied.
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1 Corinthians 13:8-10
"that which is perfect" refers to the completion of the bible. Some people will say it speaks of Jesus, but this is false and wrong. Jesus is not a "that" or an "it". It is talking about the gospel, "that which is perfect", then all those miracle gifts will cease.
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Ah, Yes! Attend a service! Meet with the Pastor! The congregation goes forth from presentations such as this to share them with family, friends, acquaintances, in witnessing to others, including strangers!!
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Thanks for explaining this
Is the gift of Prophesy a miracle gift? and how was the gift of Prophesy used in the NT prior to the completion of the Bible...
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Well, obviously that's one of the big debates in the church today. John MacArthur would be one of those who believes the gift of prophecy has ceased, and Wayne Grudem and John Piper would be two of those who believe that it has not.
I suggest you do some serious reading on the question, because CF will be of limited help.
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