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Why Republican Ideals Are Not God's Plan

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you doesn't = the majority.
I remember an instance in the Bible where 400 prophets told the king one thing, and one prophet told him something else. Do you remember who was right?
 
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I really can't put into words the contempt I have for adults who would force girls to shower with boys. Do they think the Lord isn't watching?

And again, it's fortunate that none of that is happening...

Do try to be honest...
 
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Please show where, in any of those links or elsewhere, that "girls are forced to shower with boys"...

That's right, you can't....
"In a 2–1 panel ruling in mid April, a federal appellate court decided (or at least seemed to think that it decided) that G.G., a girl who identifies herself as male, has a legal right to use the boys’ restrooms at her high school in rural Gloucester County, Va. In so doing, the panel’s majority, consisting of two appointees of President Obama, kowtowed to the Obama administration’s radical claim that federal law requires any college or school that receives federal funding to make its single-sex restrooms, locker rooms, showers, housing, and sports teams available to “transgender students consistent with their gender identity.”

Transgender Activism Has Produced a Legal Absurdity

"Schools should let transgender students use bathrooms, locker rooms and other sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity, according to the guidance."

Feds issue guidance on transgender bathroom acess in schools - CNNPolitics
 
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I dont need to settle for the least of two evils. I believe God is in control. I settle for Him. The kingdom of God is not ruled with an iron fist, and its not of this world. Its not communism.

Yes, if you want to have a form of government here on Earth, you have to settle for an Earthly government. If you truly believe God is in control, I don't know why it matters to you what form of government we have. Why did you bother to respond at all? This thread was obviously about topics that shouldn't matter to you.
 
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Please show anywhere that Democrats will label anyone a bigot if they do not "bless" homosexuality...

That's right, you can't.....
I've been called a Christo-Nazi.
 
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I'd like to discuss why one particular Republican Ideal is anti-biblical. There are several to choose from -- the support of the wealthy despite many condemnations of wealth-gathering, the support of arms-bearing despite protests in the bible against self-defense and rebellion, the support of racism over loving your neighbor -- but there's one main one that I find a pretty basic foundation of Republican ideology that most Christians seem to think is bible-based, and that's support of a Meritocracy, defined here as a system of government that rewards the deserving.

If you want to say that the Republican Party isn't the part of God, then I'd would agree with you, however, the Republican Party still most closely aligns if you want to taught in the Bible. I don't vote Republican to get out of hell, but because I can't stand child sacrifice. There's is no talk of Molech, but Molech served the same function of getting rid of unwanted babies on the altar of convenience, so it essentially the same thing with just being dressing it up. So I am willing to vote for a Party that is far less than perfect in order to try to put an end to that abomination.

The Bible does not speak against wealth gathering and in man cases wealth was seen as a sign of God's favor, but rather the Bible warns against the love of money. God does not bless us with money so that we will hoade it, but so that we can be more generous. Likewise, the Bible does not speak does not speak against self-defense. The idea that Republicans support racism over loving your neighbor is absurd propaganda, especially considering how Democrats have acted in the past and are still acting, and that Republicans give more to charity. The Bible also does not speak against rewarding those who are deserving, but just the opposite.

One question that will cut to the heart of this discussion is this: in a system where people get exactly what they deserve, how does one show grace? Grace, I'm assured time and time again, is "an undeserved gift", which is one of Jesus' characteristics and a virtue. Why would a Christian Republican desire that people only get what they deserve?

There are many examples in the Bible of people getting what they deserved and with God dealing with people in the same way that they dealt with others. The Bible also says that we will get what we deserve, but there is a difference between saying that we should get what we deserve and saying that we should only. God shows His grace to us by teaching us how to rightly live and we can reflect God's grace to others teaching by example how to rightly live. This teaching is an undeserved gift, but the virtue itself is not in being an undeserved gift.

The second-greatest commandment is to "love thy neighbor", and was illustrated with the story of The Good Samaritan. The victim in this story did nothing to earn love from the Samaritan, but was simply a "neighbor" to the Samaritan as well as a person in need. Why would a Christian Republican ever see a person in need and argue against helping that person, but rather giving to a person who is "deserving"? Charity in this case isn't simply a virtue that one volunteers but instead the second-most-important command. Why wouldn't a Christian Republican want their government to follow the bible and make charity an important cornerstone of its function? And why would a Christian be Republican while the GOP advocates against charitybut instead for a Meritocracy?

There is a difference between being against helping someone in need and being against a particular way of helping someone in need. Another way to put it, is that Democrats are in favor of giving a man a fish while Republicans are in favor of teaching a man to fish. The best long-term way to help someone is to give them a job, and while are times when an immediate need needs to be met, causing someone to become dependant on government handouts for the rest of their life is actually detrimental to them. Furthermore, it is the wealthy who provide jobs, not the poor, so it is good to have lots of people who are wealthy. Also, there is no virtue in being generous with other people's money. I am reminded of this:

I was talking to a friend’s little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were to be the President, what is the first thing you would do?’

She replied, ‘I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.’ ‘Wow - what a worthy goal.’ I told her, ‘You don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my sidewalks and driveway, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.’

She thought that over for a few seconds ‘cause she’s only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, the little girl looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”

And I said, “Welcome to the Republican Party, sweetheart.”
 
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So would I...

Fortunately, the truth has little to do with your warped version of it....
I've posted links to nine media outlets that say exactly what I said.
 
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"In a 2–1 panel ruling in mid April, a federal appellate court decided (or at least seemed to think that it decided) that G.G., a girl who identifies herself as male, has a legal right to use the boys’ restrooms at her high school in rural Gloucester County, Va. In so doing, the panel’s majority, consisting of two appointees of President Obama, kowtowed to the Obama administration’s radical claim that federal law requires any college or school that receives federal funding to make its single-sex restrooms, locker rooms, showers, housing, and sports teams available to “transgender students consistent with their gender identity.”

Transgender Activism Has Produced a Legal Absurdity

"Schools should let transgender students use bathrooms, locker rooms and other sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity, according to the guidance."

Feds issue guidance on transgender bathroom acess in schools - CNNPolitics

Please be respectful to the topic of this thread. Don't divert it to an argument of "Republican vs. Democrat", because that's not what it's about. I didn't even argue that Christians shouldn't be Republican. What I'm arguing for, as I posted in response above to Saucy, is that you should be changing the Republican party to follow the bible, rather than let the Republicans subvert your biblical beliefs.
 
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"In a 2–1 panel ruling in mid April, a federal appellate court decided (or at least seemed to think that it decided) that G.G., a girl who identifies herself as male, has a legal right to use the boys’ restrooms at her high school in rural Gloucester County, Va. In so doing, the panel’s majority, consisting of two appointees of President Obama, kowtowed to the Obama administration’s radical claim that federal law requires any college or school that receives federal funding to make its single-sex restrooms, locker rooms, showers, housing, and sports teams available to “transgender students consistent with their gender identity.”

Transgender Activism Has Produced a Legal Absurdity

"Schools should let transgender students use bathrooms, locker rooms and other sex-segregated facilities consistent with their gender identity, according to the guidance."

Feds issue guidance on transgender bathroom acess in schools - CNNPolitics

And...you still have to demonstrate where "girls are forced to shower with boys"....
 
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Yes, if you want to have a form of government here on Earth, you have to settle for an Earthly government. If you truly believe God is in control, I don't know why it matters to you what form of government we have. Why did you bother to respond at all? This thread was obviously about topics that shouldn't matter to you.
I don't subscribe to any nations politics. Politicians come and go, and so does their rhetoric. Politics is contentious but the Kingdom of God is peace. Why am i posting at all, you ask? Why not? If a person is anti war do they not get to have an opinion on a war? I am apolitical, does that mean im not entitled to share that belief?
 
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If you are "caught in a trap you... can't possibly work your way out of", why haven't you been persuaded? I should think that if I were right, you'd change your mind. That's what it means to be reasonable, and you'd like to think of yourself as reasonable, wouldn't you?

If not, then you should show me why I'm wrong. I'm not going to have an argument over whether people should have arguments, because it's extremely time-wasting and tautological. I try not to make assumptions, which is why I argued about the Republican party's platform rather than try to assume what its individual members believe. Perhaps you don't think that our country should reward only merit, in which case this thread has nothing to do with you. If you do think so, then my "assumption" was correct and I don't see why it's a problem.

I only accuse those making ad hominem attacks of making ad hominem attacks. I surely didn't argue that everyone was, but only pointed it out in one case where someone dismissed my argument because I'm an atheist, which is the definition of ad hominem. Ad hominem - Wikipedia I'd like to think I'm doing much more than that, making an argument and supporting it with evidence. Doesn't that sound like fun? If you have a rebuttal of that kind, I'd enjoy hearing it. Otherwise, perhaps you should consider being persuaded by my argument and try to change the Republican party rather than let it change you.
I think people should get what they work for. People make choices and you don't know what each individual has gone through. I've never had 'white privilege'. I grew up poorer than poor. I lived in the slums of Flint, MI. So, I understand people needing help. I received food stamps for a time, because I would've starved to death otherwise.

But I wasn't content to live in poverty. When I didn't have a vehicle, I rode my bike to the free library to use their free internet. I started my own business. Several months later, I was able to afford cable and internet for the first time. I was able to buy a cheap vehicle. Then I was able to move out of the slums and into a much nicer area.

Several years later, I'm doing pretty good. But I always gave and helped people. Sometimes I would even drop my whole payment on others to bless them. I supported the church and donated when there was need. I've helped all my friends out.

That's my choice, because it's my money that I earned. I spent three years learning (and I'm still learning) how to be an online marketer. I did what ANYONE in Flint could do right now if they wanted to. But they don't. Why not? Because the majority of them are content raking in their welfare payments and food stamps for life. They can't even take care of themselves, but keep having kid after kid to get even more money from the government.

I don't think things like affirmative action should exist. You shouldn't get a job over someone more qualified because of the color of your skin. The left acts like the rich were just gifted their wealth and didnt wake up at 5 AM every day busting their butt to earn it. A lot of the top billionaires today started out in their garage.

So, what about personal decision? Do you trust Trump with your money? To not fund programs you disagree with? Did you hear that before 9/11, the government lost a trillion dollars? Somehow Hillary 'misplaced' $6 billion when she was AG.

State Dept. misplaced $6B under Hillary Clinton: IG report

Sorry, but I don't trust the government with my money. I pay my taxes and obey the law...that's my submission to them, but I don't have to trust the government with my money.

Liberals and progressives are ALL about freedom of choice, except when it comes to republicans. Then they try to take away our rights to arm ourselves, make our own choices with our own money, take away our right to free speech, and then calling us racists and bigots because we don't agree with your ideals.

When we rightfully elect the president we want and who we thought was the better choice, the left rioted and did all they could to take away our vote and our voice! It didn't matter to them that Trump was rightfully elected.

I'm sorry, but you don't get to decide what's moral and neither do I. Your morals might be different from my morals, but that doesn't make you right.
 
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I've posted links to nine media outlets that say exactly what I said.

No.....they don't. They talk about affording transgender individuals the right to use bathrooms that match their gender.

You are telling untruths. Your religion promotes a commandment that forbids that, you know.....
 
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Awww.....please show where Democrats will call anyone a bigot for failing to "bless" homosexuality....
Didn't 'ole Bernie say Christians shouldn't hold office because of their bigotry?
 
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There are strong, committed Christians in both parties. I just find that the strong, committed Christians in the Democratic party have values that I feel much more strongly parallel the Gospel message of Jesus.

And, using the Gospel as one of my yardsticks, I believe that Donald J. Trump, in terms of character, honesty, values, and integrity (and of course, preparedness and knowledge), is by far the very worst president in American history.
 
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