Trump to almost for sure end the Dreamers Program (illegal immigrants)

[NothingIsImpossible]

AP sources: Trump expected to end 'Dreamers' program

I try to avoid this section of the forum because its basically like jump into a volcano.....but.... I wanted to talk about this story. Especially because its a hot topic among christians too.

At least Trump is holding to one of his things about illegals. The Dreamer Program basically for the children of illegal immigrants. So glad hes sticking to at least some of these things he said at the start and getting rid of it.

5+ years ago I can't say I'd really care either way about this sort of program. Or illegals for that matter. I mean I'd prefer they went back home of course but I didn't have a strong view on it. Now? After bringing someone here from another country going through all sorts of hoops, money, time and emotional drainage.....it was hard but worth it. So this dreamer program is a slap in the face to those wanted to come here through legal routes.

Now I know the responses (heard it elsewhere):
"Its not their fault their parents came here illegally! Anyways they are living the american dream now and good people who do good things!"

Sorry but you come here illegally then you risk consequences for yourself and your kids (their future too). If they are upset then they should blame their parents. And just because your a good person doesn't mean the law should be like "Well they are good, lets leave them alone!". If you killed someone once (and got away with it) then became a good person later in life then got caught would it be ok for him to get away with breaking the law because "I'm good now!". Of course not.

There are others who have a VERY hard time trying to get here legally. If they even can get here. As I said its a slap in the face to them. People like my wife. And because of people like the "Dreamers" parents and now their kids, it makes the rules even MORE complex, expensive and time consuming for those bringing people here through legal routes. We pay the price for broken laws. For example if my wife wanted to bring her sister here, its a 10 year process! So she now gets to sit here with no family (blood) in america and miss home.

I know the next response is "Well what would Jesus do? Wheres your christian love?". Sorry you can't play that card whenever someone disagrees with you. Because if you want to be biblical scriptural, the bible says to obey the laws of man unless they interfere with the laws of God. Well since God doesn't say much about immigration, then we as american christians have to go be mans law in this country. Which is you have to come here through legal routes.

What would Jesus actually do if He was here in the flesh again? Well we can each give an answer but we will be twisting Jesus to how we would want Him to do what we think is right. Because this isn't the old days of when He was on earth, my only guess is maybe He would say something like "I'm sorry child (the illegal), I am sad about your situation but the law of man in this country strictly talks about these things. I cannot impose my own desire to help you because this would Me interfering with the free will of yourself and others." I'm sure He would of course encourage them.

But this is all here say of course. We have no idea what He would do. Ok sure my post is super long now (as if I make short posts lol)

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

AP sources: Trump expected to end 'Dreamers' program

I try to avoid this section of the forum because its basically like jump into a volcano.....but.... I wanted to talk about this story. Especially because its a hot topic among christians too.

At least Trump is holding to one of his things about illegals. The Dreamer Program basically for the children of illegal immigrants. So glad hes sticking to at least some of these things he said at the start and getting rid of it.

5+ years ago I can't say I'd really care either way about this sort of program. Or illegals for that matter. I mean I'd prefer they went back home of course but I didn't have a strong view on it. Now? After bringing someone here from another country going through all sorts of hoops, money, time and emotional drainage.....it was hard but worth it. So this dreamer program is a slap in the face to those wanted to come here through legal routes.

Now I know the responses (heard it elsewhere):
"Its not their fault their parents came here illegally! Anyways they are living the american dream now and good people who do good things!"

Sorry but you come here illegally then you risk consequences for yourself and your kids (their future too). If they are upset then they should blame their parents. And just because your a good person doesn't mean the law should be like "Well they are good, lets leave them alone!". If you killed someone once (and got away with it) then became a good person later in life then got caught would it be ok for him to get away with breaking the law because "I'm good now!". Of course not.

There are others who have a VERY hard time trying to get here legally. If they even can get here. As I said its a slap in the face to them. People like my wife. And because of people like the "Dreamers" parents and now their kids, it makes the rules even MORE complex, expensive and time consuming for those bringing people here through legal routes. We pay the price for broken laws. For example if my wife wanted to bring her sister here, its a 10 year process! So she now gets to sit here with no family (blood) in america and miss home.

I know the next response is "Well what would Jesus do? Wheres your christian love?". Sorry you can't play that card whenever someone disagrees with you. Because if you want to be biblical scriptural, the bible says to obey the laws of man unless they interfere with the laws of God. Well since God doesn't say much about immigration, then we as american christians have to go be mans law in this country. Which is you have to come here through legal routes.

What would Jesus actually do if He was here in the flesh again? Well we can each give an answer but we will be twisting Jesus to how we would want Him to do what we think is right. Because this isn't the old days of when He was on earth, my only guess is maybe He would say something like "I'm sorry child (the illegal), I am sad about your situation but the law of man in this country strictly talks about these things. I cannot impose my own desire to help you because this would Me interfering with the free will of yourself and others." I'm sure He would of course encourage them.

But this is all here say of course. We have no idea what He would do. Ok sure my post is super long now (as if I make short posts lol)

Kids raised in this country, educated in this country, and ready to go to work in this country, are an asset to this country. It would be crazy to throw that asset away.

Of course, since there are thousands and thousands of them, there are too many to just deport. They will become virtual slaves. Working for people they dare not mention their need for a minimum wage, for sheer fear they will be ratted out and deported . . .

This is just an example of how Trump reaches out to hurt people.

 

[Mare Liberum]

If I may be so bold, I'll say what Jesus would (likely) do: end the so-called War on Drugs. Do the research, make an effort, and you'll see why the WoD is the causality behind abnormally high levels of illegal immigration.

There is no protected, constitutional right extended to how and which migrants might be naturalized - the laws pertaining to migrants are within bounds of the Constitution. Anchor babies don't have a protected right to be American. There is no amendment guaranteeing citizenship to anybody, just because they were born on our soil. Its a legal question for the states, or for Congress to amend. SCOTUS have always decided, the 14th Amendment never had universal application, only a general application to freed blacks. The court surmised nobody could be citizens, except by birth into the parents' nation (the US), and nobody, having citizenship in another nation, could be citizens by any way but naturalization.

Murkans need to keep in mind there's a gulf between Constitutionality and Legality, we don't live in a well-run State looking out for the little guy - we live in a Huxleyan nightmare. Those who want anchor babies citizens by birth truly want extended government, beyond it's Constitutional bounds, even meddling in and overriding the migrant laws of other sovereign nations. If you're a Dream Act supporter, you advocate robbing the rights of citizens, to advantage a push for unconstitutional laws entitling a foreigner to the rights of a citizen, on the basis of their economic class. Anchor baby laws only serve your masters, but go ahead and advocate a new amendment. Until you get one, pick your battles more carefully.

 

[jgarden]

Last week Trump pardoned Sheriff Arpaio, who was legally convicted by the courts, BUT this week he wants to be the "law and order" president by deporting a million "dreamers" who were born in the country - just how does this make America Great Again?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Are we really that surprised. I hope they can hide until Trump and his crazies are gone.

 

[SolomonVII]

If enough congressman want to keep this, then this is their opportunity to wheel and deal and come up with a workable immigration plan.
Otherwise, what one Executive order giveth, the next Executive order taketh away.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

But when there are not alot of jobs to go around as it is, it means the illegals have a chance at said jobs over americans who are here legally.

Like I said, I was semi-fine with the program before. They had a chance to fix the mistake their parents made. However now that I've been through the process to bring someone here, it made my views alot more clear on the subject. Which is why I would ask if anyone that is for the Dreamer program, have you ever brought someone to the US? If not then you may not understand the living "heck" you have to go through to get someone here. It really changes your views when you see other people who get in easier because of programs like this. They should have to wait years, spend thousands upon thousands, feel emotionally drained from the process...etc.

To adopt a child from my wifes country would cost us nearly $100,000. To have a child here illegally (if she was not legal immigrant) would cost nowhere near that much. To be fair I do understand its also expensive because they really want you to adopt a american child instead since we have so many children without homes.

And as the recent post said we know the program will be back up and running when whoever takes the presidential roles come in next. Maybe even Pence if Trump is impeached (one can only hope).

 

[Mare Liberum]

But when there are not alot of jobs to go around as it is, it means the illegals have a chance at said jobs over americans who are here legally.

Wrong. Americans do not want to work, and they do not want the jobs illegals are working.

All I'm reading here at Christian Forums are liberal-conservative mantras. You guys really need to get out, talk to people, and do your research. sayonara

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

No one wants the jobs illegals have because no one has been forced to work them because we keep giving them to illegals. Get rid of illegals and people will eventually start taking those jobs because they are better than no job.

Though sort of ironically its funny when the talk of jobs come up since no one ever seems to care about the fact we are happy having most of are stuff made overseas by people that get paid even less. If those jobs were here, there would be many more jobs for us to have.

 

[Allandavid]

"Us"? "Them"?

Am I missing something here..? Are children who are born in the US citizens or not...?

 

[Nithavela]

Chuck them into the gulf!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can't say I'm surprised -- with Donald's numerous legislative and diplomatic failures, he needed an easy win at something to rally his base. Going after children is a lot easier than dealing with Congress or foreign leaders...

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Us"? "Them"?

Am I missing something here..? Are children who are born in the US citizens or not...?

Not that Donald or his base care, but of course they are under the 14th Amendment. However, DACA wasn't about those kids, but rather, ones that were brought over illegally when their parents crossed the border when they were young -- under 16 years old.

Again, and I'm going from memory here, under Obama, since these children themselves committed no crime, they were eligible to stay as long they were in school and had no criminal record. It only protected a person for two years, but could be renewed.

 

[Nithavela]

I think this sends a strong message that the american dream is over for everyone, not just for people born in the USA.

 

[Allandavid]

Not that Donald or his base care, but of course they are under the 14th Amendment. However, DACA wasn't about those kids, but rather, ones that were brought over illegally when their parents crossed the border when they were young -- under 16 years old.

Again, and I'm going from memory here, under Obama, since these children themselves committed no crime, they were eligible to stay as long they were in school and had no criminal record. It only protected a person for two years, but could be renewed.

Ok, thanks. But my question still sorta applies. I'm reading that those 'dreamer' kids are now as old as 30+. Surely many of them have had children of their own since arriving in the US. What becomes of those kids if their parents are deported? How do you deport children to a country in which they have no citizenship?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Those parents who came here illegally PUT their children in the position they're in now. That is NOT Trump's fault.
Comprehensive immigration reform is needed. All this repeal will do is force congress to act.
Obama should NEVER have signed this stupid sweeping executive order. The job should have been left to congress. That said, DACA was ALWAYS supposed to be temporary.
If everybody who is now whining about Trump's action wants a permanent solution, then contact your representative and tell them to pass immigration legislation.
Marching on a sidewalk holding silly signs does nothing.

 

[DaisyDay]

Wait a second - the Dreamers were NOT born in this country; they were brought here when they were children. Any brothers and sisters they might have who were born here can not be deported as they are naturally born citizens.

The Dreamers grew up here and were educated here. They may not even speak their parents' native language. If they get deported, they will be as foreigners. Since we've already educated them, it would be a waste of resources to throw them out now when they've already integrated into our society.

The poll has no option for me to choose - I would take the third but it is wrong because while this is horrible, all these people DON'T want to stay in - or be deported to - the country they were born, they want to stay HERE.

 

[Redac]

No problem with this.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I should remind people that this kind of program and this kind of terrible amendment that lets you "be a american" if born here from illegals is TERRIBLE. All it does is make people want to come here illegally so they can have an anchor baby, so that anchor baby can be american. Not sure why people don't understand that. And while I hate to point to mexico, its fact the biggest group of illegals that come here are mexican.

If we change the amendment so that only legal immigrants/americans children that are born here can be considered "legal" then it would save us alot of future problems. And money mind you since our tax money has to pay for these kids/future adults. Its insulting to me that this loophole even exists to begin with. Again, I realize the kids had no choice in being born here through illegals, but it doesn't change anything when it comes to this loophole.

 

[LoAmmi]

I should remind people that this kind of program and this kind of terrible amendment that lets you "be a american" if born here from illegals is TERRIBLE. All it does is make people want to come here illegally so they can have an anchor baby, so that anchor baby can be american. Not sure why people don't understand that. And while I hate to point to mexico, its fact the biggest group of illegals that come here are mexican.

If we change the amendment so that only legal immigrants/americans children that are born here can be considered "legal" then it would save us alot of future problems. And money mind you since our tax money has to pay for these kids/future adults. Its insulting to me that this loophole even exists to begin with. Again, I realize the kids had no choice in being born here through illegals, but it doesn't change anything when it comes to this loophole.

If these people are citizens of the United States, why are you pointing out we need to spend tax money to pay for them as children and adults? They'd be paying taxes too. People who are born here and get citizenship don't get magical status where they are both citizens and free to not pay taxes.