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6. The blood of Jesus has a spiritual implication but it was also real fleshly blood. Also God just revealed something to me... see you make the mistake of assuming that the flesh is what an individual has to embody.. that they have to walk in the corrupt nature but the Bible indicates that Jesus had the fullness of the Godhead which enabled him to overcome the flesh. But the Bible also mentions how even humans who only have a portion of that spirit in the Holy Spirit are able to overcome the corruptness of the flesh. Here are some verses... cause even for humans... the flesh is just a covering.. for the spirit man that will move on to the after life whether that be heaven or hell on the inside. Those that are saved will like Christ will one day resurrect and rise in a new body of course saints aren't Christ but they make up the body of Christ. Anyway here are verses that support certian statements I just made.Nope. No mistake on my part. But once again you do not understand.
Uh huh.
Phil 2
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Uh huh.
Phil 2
[6] Who, being in the form of God
Uh huh
No. Do you not comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN;
taking a blanket upon your body AND becoming a blanket?
A FORM is a BODY.
Jesus, being the FORM of God.
Took upon Himself the FORM of a servant, in the likeness of men.
Are you without understanding?
Servants who SERVE God are Holy Angels AND Faithful men.
Scripture tells you the KIND of Servants Form Jesus took upon Himself.
A man; NOT an Angel.
You are not equipped to discuss Gods "character".
"Break the rules"? Meaning to BECOME a human? No, He didn't.
But that is what you teach.
You want me to defend your teaching? No. For the umpteenth time. I do not agree with you.
God IS Spirit. Christ Jesus is Spirit. Spirits have the power to become MANIFESTED in the appearance of other things - THEY DON"T BECOME OTHER THINGS.
sheesh - why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
You don't know what you're talking about.
You are trying to teach about physical pain - When Christ on the cross is about anguish of the moment He takes upon Himself the Sins of the World.
Jesus' prepared body, had blood, as it is PURE BLOOD, required to for forgiveness of mans CORRUPT BLOOD.
Additionally WHY Jesus could not BE A HUMAN. ALL Human Blood is corrupt.
The Word of God, IS the body of God.
The Word of God, took upon His body, a body of flesh, in the likeness of men.
The Word of God, had been taking upon His body, from the beginning;
....likenesses of men and angels.
In the last days, The Word of God, took upon His body, the likeness of A MAN,
....and this man, was to be called, The Son of God, Jesus, The Christ, The Word of God.
You exhibit a poor understanding of Scripture, and I agree, you rank among many,
....with the same poor understanding.
You desperately try to make the Creator God, changed into a Created Human.
Your teachings are a fail. God does not change, regardless of HOW He appears, with cover, for mankind to SEE Him.
There is no need for me to address ANY scripture you present.
You present scriptures that have nothing to do with the specific claims you made that I disagree with.
DNA
Human flesh
etc.
Over and over you made claims, and not once provided a scripture to support your claims.
Instead you bounce around posting scriptures about the Cross, the Resurrection, Jesus' feelings, blah, blah, blah. Deflect, Deflect, Deflect.
I ignore the scriptures you post, because they have nothing to do with supporting your claims.
I post scripture that does support my disagreement with your claims.
You claim to have had debate experience. Perhaps you should have spent more time on comprehension and staying on point.
Yep.
None of those scriptures support your claims of DNA, Human flesh, etc.
Thus they are simply your way to talk without saying anything about your claims I disagreed with.
No, He does not change. But you preach He does change.
What you INITIALLY SAID, was He manifested Himself in HUMAN flesh.
AND THAT is when I disagreed with you.
THAT is what I asked you to provide scripture to support your HUMAN flesh teaching.
Then you post scripture that ACCURATELY says FLESH; NOT HUMAN FLESH.
And you keep PRETENDING, that the scripture saying FLESH, and your claim of HUMAN FLESH, is the SAME THING. IT ISN'T.
THEN you FALSELY claim, I don't believe Jesus came in the FLESH, WHICH IS A LIE!
I have PRECISELY said, I Believe Jesus came in the FLESH.
I have PRECISELY said REPEATEDLY, I disagree with YOUR claims, it was;
HUMAN FLESH!
LIE
Manifest is to APPEAR - NOT CHANGE
Jesus Appeared ie SHOWED HIMSELF, to mankind, IN THE LIKENESS OF MANKIND.
HELLO - ding, ding, ding - MANKIND CAN NOT SEE GOD,
AS HE IS!
MANKIND can ONLY "SEE" God, IN A FASHION, COVERING, He takes upon Himself for MANKIND TO SEE "SOMETHING",
for a MAN TO KNOW, He is in the presence of GOD!
And SOME men throughout HISTORY have RECOGNIZED, THEY were in the Presence of God....
Moses claimed to have SEEN God - he SAW a covering - BUT KNEW he was in the presence of God.
Jacob claimed to have SEEN God
Manoah claimed to have SEEN God
Abraham claimed to have SEEN God
the faithful chosen Disciples claimed to have SEEN God.
They ALL recognized they were in the presence of God
You however, attempt to make their CLAIMS, NOT have MERIT.
You attempt to make God the created, have NO MERIT, by trying to MAKE Jesus A HUMAN.
God DOES NOT CHANGE and BECOME the "covering". He simply COVERS HIMSELF, because MANKIND CAN NOT SEE GOD AS HE IS.
You can't BELIEVE the TRUTH, because you LIMIT yourself, BY ONLY using your CARNAL MIND to come to your understanding.
And I agree; you ARE WITH THE MAJORITY who claim to be BELIEVERS, WHILE,
they preach and teach ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN CARNAL UNDERSTANDING!
And their CARNAL teaching and preaching IS SO EASY TO SEE, and SO EASY TO KNOW,
and SO EASY TO DISMISS, BY ANYONE WHO, is in UNDERSTANDING<--->
ACCORDING TO GOD!
Just ONE example of YOUR CARNAL MIND at work trying to decide Spiritual understanding.
LOGIC - is something a CARNAL MIND does, by figuring, ciphering, weighing options, to come to a conclusion that makes SENSE to their mind.
WHERE in ALL OF Scripture are you taught that ANYTHING needs to MAKE SENSE to your MIND?
Scripture does NOT TEACH you to SECOND GUESS God.
Scripture teaches - God IS PURE TRUTH -
You simply have the OPTION to TRUST HIM - BELIEVE HIM - OR NOT.
You stand on the FENCE POST - (like many do)
claiming YOU BELIEVE - quoting scriptures - saying yeah, yeah, you Believe -
When IN FACT, you do not TRUST what scripture SAYS -
So YOU, (like many) -
YOU QUOTE scripture - Like Jesus coming in the FLESH -
.....and then with YOUR CARNAL MINDED LOGIC preach it was HUMAN FLESH
Which IS YOU changing the understanding of scripture to FIT your CARNAL minded understanding.
You QUOTE scripture - Like the Spirit of God coming upon Mary
.....and then with YOUR CARNAL MINDED LOGIC preach Jesus has Mary's HUMAN DNA
Which IS YOU changing the understanding of scriptures to FIT your CARNAL minded understanding.
You can NOT produce scriptures that SUPPORT your carnal minded understanding AND "explanations" of scripture - PRECISELY because they are FALSE - and PRECISELY why I disagree with YOUR EXPLANATIONS!
God IS PURE TRUTH - He PURE TRUTH is the KNOWLEDGE revealed in Scriptures -
You can Believe it or NOT - You claim to believe it.
But you DO NOT exhibit you TRUST the knowledge given in Scripture -
And that is REVEALED every time YOU ATTEMPT to give your LOGICAL CONCLUSION of what scripture means.
Not ONLY are you preaching your CARNAL understanding -
You go further and CLAIM I do not believe Scripture.
Which is a LIE. You have been repeatedly told, I believe and TRUST Scripture -
and DISAGREE with YOUR 'explanations'.
God IS PURE TRUTH - Knowledge He reveals to us IN Scripture - DOES NOT REQUIRE your MINDS input to UNDERSTAND the Knowledge.
Repeatedly you have been told and shown scriptures that notify you - YOUR MIND is an enmity against God. The UNDERSTANDING of Scriptures DOES NOT COME FROM YOUR MIND! YOUR LOGIC! YOUR SENSES! YOUR FEELINGS!
The Understanding of Scriptures ACCORDING TO GODS UNDERSTANDING...
ONLY comes from God Himself!
But YOU (like many even you claim agree with you) DO exactly what YOU DO - which IS use YOUR CARNAL MINDED logic, feelings, senses, understanding - TO try to MAKE scripture AGREE with what your Mindful Logic concludes.
It's a colossal FAIL! And you SHOULD know that IF you actually went beyond believing Scriptures and trusted the Scriptures.
Matt 7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
This is Precisely telling you those who SHALL enter the Kingdom of Heaven IS those WHO do the WILL OF THE FATHER.
This is Precisely telling you MEN will complain and say; but, but, but, We used your Name and did great things.
BIG PROBLEM - Yes they believed scripture, Yes they did great things,
AND Yes, LIKE YOU, they did those things ACCORDING TO "THEIR MINDFUL UNDERSTANDING" - Because they DID NOT TRUST, OR KNOW OR DO their works
ACCORDING TO GODS UNDERSTANDING -
Which is precisely - NOT doing the WILL OF THE FATHER -
which is precisely - WHY Jesus said they were workers of iniquity and he wanted nothing to do with THEM!
Prov 3
[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
God Bless,
SBC
Yes, that is what you wrongly preach.
Correct.
Since you are SO lacking in understanding spiritual things: I gave you an analogy that even a 5 yr old could comprehend.
A 5yr old Covering himself with a Blanket; doesn't make him a blanket.
A 5yr old Covering himself with a Tiger costume; doesn't make him a Tiger -
....even if he calls himself a Tiger, even if others call him a Tiger
....even if he growls like a Tiger, even if he crawls around on his hands and knees
....even if he laps up water like a Tiger.
GET A CLUE man - He is not a TIGER!
Jesus Covering Himself (HIS BODY) with a BODY like human men have, called a man, calling Himself a man - DOES NOT MAKE HIM A HUMAN MAN!
GET A CLUE man - God is the creator - He doesn't BECOME the created!
sheesh! The nonsense you babble.
Why do you think Jesus said; ??
Matt 18
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
It is precisely because little children TRUST the TRUTH -
They don't do as you (adults) do. Ponder, think, logically conclude in the corrupt carnal minds.
They believe AND TRUST the TRUTH, whereas you attempt to corrupt the truth, because you don't TRUST the truth.
Clearly you are attempting to "define" Gods character, with your mindful conclusion, and preach your conclusion. Another FAIL.
Clearly, you endlessly demonstrate your profound favoring of YOUR carnal understanding, which is fruitless.
God Bless,
SBC
Galatians 5:16King James Version (KJV)
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the LORD Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Romans 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:27King James Version (KJV)
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44King James Version (KJV)
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 7. The scripture in Isiah shows that Jesus was without beauty and that his body was nothing special, the scripture that says he was born of Mary shows that the Form of BODY he utilized was manifested through a human body and the other scriptures support oneoness... also you didn't even explain why they don't support my views or what they really do support as I stated already you never address my arguments so they still remain,, why is Jesus body described as being less? Why isn't a body born in a womb human? . 8. You then preced to diminish my debate credibility... for someone who claims to be of God you sure come across as a jerk.. the other guy even noticed that with your liberal comment... just full of hate and anger not Christ like at all. 9. You then make a argument that you have in all caps I assume you're either mad or emphasizing it or both? That the verse doesn't say human flesh... and this is why (debate tip here) you can't skip over scriptures or evidence that you don't see the application in because they may apply. I posted you scriptures written by Paul where human flesh is no where to be found does that mean it doesn't apply to human flesh?? People make the same argument when the Bible just says man instead of woman.. instead of reading the context. I'll quote some again. Romans 8:8 - So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Galatians 5:19
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,”
Romans 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:13 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 10. I'm going to ignor the last half of your comment because it's either something I addressed in the reply before this one or a bunch of condemnation and I am Canarl jibberish. I will address the caps portion though because clearly you wanted me to read it. 11. I'm with the majority in regards to the incarnation (you realize that the incarnation falls in with 7 day creation and God being supreme in regards to what everyone actually agrees with right? It goes in that category so there's something off if you don't believe it...). But that doesn't mean I am a mainstream Christian you realize incarnarion is just a part of christianity right? Also to get the the point I never said God aka Jesus was created but simply that his human body was created it's not that hard to understand. In fact verses say he grew and changed and he was born... but that refers to the flesh not the diety, the flesh had to grow and develop but the diety who is the same yesterday today and forever didn't.
Luke 2:40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
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