Why you should pray to JESUS

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Nope. No mistake on my part. But once again you do not understand.



Uh huh.

Phil 2
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:




Uh huh.

Phil 2
[6] Who, being in the form of God




Uh huh



No. Do you not comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN;
taking a blanket upon your body AND becoming a blanket?

A FORM is a BODY.
Jesus, being the FORM of God.
Took upon Himself the FORM of a servant, in the likeness of men.

Are you without understanding?
Servants who SERVE God are Holy Angels AND Faithful men.

Scripture tells you the KIND of Servants Form Jesus took upon Himself.
A man; NOT an Angel.



You are not equipped to discuss Gods "character".



"Break the rules"? Meaning to BECOME a human? No, He didn't.
But that is what you teach.



You want me to defend your teaching? No. For the umpteenth time. I do not agree with you.

God IS Spirit. Christ Jesus is Spirit. Spirits have the power to become MANIFESTED in the appearance of other things - THEY DON"T BECOME OTHER THINGS.

sheesh - why is that so hard for you to comprehend?




You don't know what you're talking about.





You are trying to teach about physical pain - When Christ on the cross is about anguish of the moment He takes upon Himself the Sins of the World.



Jesus' prepared body, had blood, as it is PURE BLOOD, required to for forgiveness of mans CORRUPT BLOOD.

Additionally WHY Jesus could not BE A HUMAN. ALL Human Blood is corrupt.



The Word of God, IS the body of God.
The Word of God, took upon His body, a body of flesh, in the likeness of men.
The Word of God, had been taking upon His body, from the beginning;
....likenesses of men and angels.
In the last days, The Word of God, took upon His body, the likeness of A MAN,
....and this man, was to be called, The Son of God, Jesus, The Christ, The Word of God.

You exhibit a poor understanding of Scripture, and I agree, you rank among many,
....with the same poor understanding.
You desperately try to make the Creator God, changed into a Created Human.

Your teachings are a fail. God does not change, regardless of HOW He appears, with cover, for mankind to SEE Him.



There is no need for me to address ANY scripture you present.
You present scriptures that have nothing to do with the specific claims you made that I disagree with.

DNA
Human flesh
etc.

Over and over you made claims, and not once provided a scripture to support your claims.

Instead you bounce around posting scriptures about the Cross, the Resurrection, Jesus' feelings, blah, blah, blah. Deflect, Deflect, Deflect.

I ignore the scriptures you post, because they have nothing to do with supporting your claims.

I post scripture that does support my disagreement with your claims.

You claim to have had debate experience. Perhaps you should have spent more time on comprehension and staying on point.



Yep.



None of those scriptures support your claims of DNA, Human flesh, etc.
Thus they are simply your way to talk without saying anything about your claims I disagreed with.




No, He does not change. But you preach He does change.



What you INITIALLY SAID, was He manifested Himself in HUMAN flesh.
AND THAT is when I disagreed with you.

THAT is what I asked you to provide scripture to support your HUMAN flesh teaching.

Then you post scripture that ACCURATELY says FLESH; NOT HUMAN FLESH.

And you keep PRETENDING, that the scripture saying FLESH, and your claim of HUMAN FLESH, is the SAME THING. IT ISN'T.

THEN you FALSELY claim, I don't believe Jesus came in the FLESH, WHICH IS A LIE!

I have PRECISELY said, I Believe Jesus came in the FLESH.
I have PRECISELY said REPEATEDLY, I disagree with YOUR claims, it was;
HUMAN FLESH!




LIE



Manifest is to APPEAR - NOT CHANGE

Jesus Appeared ie SHOWED HIMSELF, to mankind, IN THE LIKENESS OF MANKIND.

HELLO - ding, ding, ding - MANKIND CAN NOT SEE GOD,
AS HE IS!

MANKIND can ONLY "SEE" God, IN A FASHION, COVERING, He takes upon Himself for MANKIND TO SEE "SOMETHING",
for a MAN TO KNOW, He is in the presence of GOD!

And SOME men throughout HISTORY have RECOGNIZED, THEY were in the Presence of God....
Moses claimed to have SEEN God - he SAW a covering - BUT KNEW he was in the presence of God.
Jacob claimed to have SEEN God
Manoah claimed to have SEEN God
Abraham claimed to have SEEN God
the faithful chosen Disciples claimed to have SEEN God.

They ALL recognized they were in the presence of God

You however, attempt to make their CLAIMS, NOT have MERIT.
You attempt to make God the created, have NO MERIT, by trying to MAKE Jesus A HUMAN.

God DOES NOT CHANGE and BECOME the "covering". He simply COVERS HIMSELF, because MANKIND CAN NOT SEE GOD AS HE IS.

You can't BELIEVE the TRUTH, because you LIMIT yourself, BY ONLY using your CARNAL MIND to come to your understanding.

And I agree; you ARE WITH THE MAJORITY who claim to be BELIEVERS, WHILE,
they preach and teach ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN CARNAL UNDERSTANDING!

And their CARNAL teaching and preaching IS SO EASY TO SEE, and SO EASY TO KNOW,
and SO EASY TO DISMISS, BY ANYONE WHO, is in UNDERSTANDING<--->
ACCORDING TO GOD!



Just ONE example of YOUR CARNAL MIND at work trying to decide Spiritual understanding.

LOGIC - is something a CARNAL MIND does, by figuring, ciphering, weighing options, to come to a conclusion that makes SENSE to their mind.

WHERE in ALL OF Scripture are you taught that ANYTHING needs to MAKE SENSE to your MIND?

Scripture does NOT TEACH you to SECOND GUESS God.

Scripture teaches - God IS PURE TRUTH -
You simply have the OPTION to TRUST HIM - BELIEVE HIM - OR NOT.

You stand on the FENCE POST - (like many do)
claiming YOU BELIEVE - quoting scriptures - saying yeah, yeah, you Believe -

When IN FACT, you do not TRUST what scripture SAYS -
So YOU, (like many) -
YOU QUOTE scripture - Like Jesus coming in the FLESH -
.....and then with YOUR CARNAL MINDED LOGIC preach it was HUMAN FLESH
Which IS YOU changing the understanding of scripture to FIT your CARNAL minded understanding.

You QUOTE scripture - Like the Spirit of God coming upon Mary
.....and then with YOUR CARNAL MINDED LOGIC preach Jesus has Mary's HUMAN DNA
Which IS YOU changing the understanding of scriptures to FIT your CARNAL minded understanding.

You can NOT produce scriptures that SUPPORT your carnal minded understanding AND "explanations" of scripture - PRECISELY because they are FALSE - and PRECISELY why I disagree with YOUR EXPLANATIONS!

God IS PURE TRUTH - He PURE TRUTH is the KNOWLEDGE revealed in Scriptures -
You can Believe it or NOT - You claim to believe it.

But you DO NOT exhibit you TRUST the knowledge given in Scripture -
And that is REVEALED every time YOU ATTEMPT to give your LOGICAL CONCLUSION of what scripture means.

Not ONLY are you preaching your CARNAL understanding -
You go further and CLAIM I do not believe Scripture.
Which is a LIE. You have been repeatedly told, I believe and TRUST Scripture -
and DISAGREE with YOUR 'explanations'.

God IS PURE TRUTH - Knowledge He reveals to us IN Scripture - DOES NOT REQUIRE your MINDS input to UNDERSTAND the Knowledge.

Repeatedly you have been told and shown scriptures that notify you - YOUR MIND is an enmity against God. The UNDERSTANDING of Scriptures DOES NOT COME FROM YOUR MIND! YOUR LOGIC! YOUR SENSES! YOUR FEELINGS!
The Understanding of Scriptures ACCORDING TO GODS UNDERSTANDING...
ONLY comes from God Himself!

But YOU (like many even you claim agree with you) DO exactly what YOU DO - which IS use YOUR CARNAL MINDED logic, feelings, senses, understanding - TO try to MAKE scripture AGREE with what your Mindful Logic concludes.

It's a colossal FAIL! And you SHOULD know that IF you actually went beyond believing Scriptures and trusted the Scriptures.

Matt 7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is Precisely telling you those who SHALL enter the Kingdom of Heaven IS those WHO do the WILL OF THE FATHER.

This is Precisely telling you MEN will complain and say; but, but, but, We used your Name and did great things.

BIG PROBLEM - Yes they believed scripture, Yes they did great things,

AND Yes, LIKE YOU, they did those things ACCORDING TO "THEIR MINDFUL UNDERSTANDING" - Because they DID NOT TRUST, OR KNOW OR DO their works
ACCORDING TO GODS UNDERSTANDING -

Which is precisely - NOT doing the WILL OF THE FATHER -
which is precisely - WHY Jesus said they were workers of iniquity and he wanted nothing to do with THEM!

Prov 3
[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

God Bless,
SBC



Yes, that is what you wrongly preach.



Correct.



Since you are SO lacking in understanding spiritual things: I gave you an analogy that even a 5 yr old could comprehend.

A 5yr old Covering himself with a Blanket; doesn't make him a blanket.
A 5yr old Covering himself with a Tiger costume; doesn't make him a Tiger -
....even if he calls himself a Tiger, even if others call him a Tiger
....even if he growls like a Tiger, even if he crawls around on his hands and knees
....even if he laps up water like a Tiger.

GET A CLUE man - He is not a TIGER!

Jesus Covering Himself (HIS BODY) with a BODY like human men have, called a man, calling Himself a man - DOES NOT MAKE HIM A HUMAN MAN!

GET A CLUE man - God is the creator - He doesn't BECOME the created!

sheesh! The nonsense you babble.

Why do you think Jesus said; ??

Matt 18
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

It is precisely because little children TRUST the TRUTH -
They don't do as you (adults) do. Ponder, think, logically conclude in the corrupt carnal minds.
They believe AND TRUST the TRUTH, whereas you attempt to corrupt the truth, because you don't TRUST the truth.



Clearly you are attempting to "define" Gods character, with your mindful conclusion, and preach your conclusion. Another FAIL.



Clearly, you endlessly demonstrate your profound favoring of YOUR carnal understanding, which is fruitless.

God Bless,
SBC

6. The blood of Jesus has a spiritual implication but it was also real fleshly blood. Also God just revealed something to me... see you make the mistake of assuming that the flesh is what an individual has to embody.. that they have to walk in the corrupt nature but the Bible indicates that Jesus had the fullness of the Godhead which enabled him to overcome the flesh. But the Bible also mentions how even humans who only have a portion of that spirit in the Holy Spirit are able to overcome the corruptness of the flesh. Here are some verses... cause even for humans... the flesh is just a covering.. for the spirit man that will move on to the after life whether that be heaven or hell on the inside. Those that are saved will like Christ will one day resurrect and rise in a new body of course saints aren't Christ but they make up the body of Christ. Anyway here are verses that support certian statements I just made.
Galatians 5:16King James Version (KJV)
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the LORD Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Romans 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:27King James Version (KJV)
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44King James Version (KJV)
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 7. The scripture in Isiah shows that Jesus was without beauty and that his body was nothing special, the scripture that says he was born of Mary shows that the Form of BODY he utilized was manifested through a human body and the other scriptures support oneoness... also you didn't even explain why they don't support my views or what they really do support as I stated already you never address my arguments so they still remain,, why is Jesus body described as being less? Why isn't a body born in a womb human? . 8. You then preced to diminish my debate credibility... for someone who claims to be of God you sure come across as a jerk.. the other guy even noticed that with your liberal comment... just full of hate and anger not Christ like at all. 9. You then make a argument that you have in all caps I assume you're either mad or emphasizing it or both? That the verse doesn't say human flesh... and this is why (debate tip here) you can't skip over scriptures or evidence that you don't see the application in because they may apply. I posted you scriptures written by Paul where human flesh is no where to be found does that mean it doesn't apply to human flesh?? People make the same argument when the Bible just says man instead of woman.. instead of reading the context. I'll quote some again. Romans 8:8 - So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Galatians 5:19

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,”
Romans 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:13 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 10. I'm going to ignor the last half of your comment because it's either something I addressed in the reply before this one or a bunch of condemnation and I am Canarl jibberish. I will address the caps portion though because clearly you wanted me to read it. 11. I'm with the majority in regards to the incarnation (you realize that the incarnation falls in with 7 day creation and God being supreme in regards to what everyone actually agrees with right? It goes in that category so there's something off if you don't believe it...). But that doesn't mean I am a mainstream Christian you realize incarnarion is just a part of christianity right? Also to get the the point I never said God aka Jesus was created but simply that his human body was created it's not that hard to understand. In fact verses say he grew and changed and he was born... but that refers to the flesh not the diety, the flesh had to grow and develop but the diety who is the same yesterday today and forever didn't.
Luke 2:40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

 

[SBC]

I never said Jesus changed I said JEsus or Emmanuel aka God with us manifested himself in a human body while maintaining his diety just like he did with the cloud or bush or ark...

Also you're the only person to really dispute the notion that Jesus was 100% HUMAN and 100% God

I never said Jesus changed

That is precisely what you teach - claiming Jesus is a HUMAN.

Humans do not CHANGE and BECOME GOD, and GOD does not CHANGE and BECOME a HUMAN.

God is the creator - Humans are the created - to endlessly claim (AS YOU HAVE) that God is 100% the Creator and 100% the Created Human is complete idiotic nonsense, claiming complete OPPOSITE things are the SAME.

You're trying to assert that I'm saying Jesus changed but I'm not saying that

You apparently do not even remember what you claim -

[/QUOTE] in fact I just quoted to you a scripture that says Jesus did change [/QUOTE]

And in the same post YOU AGAIN are trying to claim saying Jesus did not change, while saying he did change.

as he grew into a man but it's referring to 100% man not 100% diety.

More of your nonsense. God does not change.

Also what's up with this unbiblical two Spirit theology you have going on here? you believe there are two "Spirits" rather then one Spirit but if that's the case Spirit would be lower case...

There are many "spirits" spoken of in Scripture. Not only two!

Angels are spirits, some holy, some not.
Men have a spirit, some holy, some not.
God is a Spirit, who has SEVEN Spirits, which are all the One Spirit of God, which is Truth.

Rev.3

1. [1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

However the Biblical spirits are not the topic, or such a thing you are capable of having a discussion about, since your understanding all hinges on your mindful logical understanding.

This multiple spirit stuff you got going on is similar to what Babylons believed in and God wasn't happy with that.

You are quick to dismiss Biblical characters that scripture dismisses - WHEN it is not obvious you are associated with the character;

Some Babylonians TRUSTED the Scripture was TRUE, they simply did not BELIEVE IT -
and TAUGHT against the TRUTH, and WHY they are called the great harlot, and rejected by God.

You are similar - (but not unique) - You Believe some of Scripture is TRUE, but some of Scripture you do not TRUST, and WHY Jesus said to men who do the same, that they are workers of iniquity. Matt 7:23.

You can not TRUST, God appeared in HUMAN form, without BECOMING a HUMAN, and why you preach Jesus was a HUMAN, in contrast to Scripture. And WHY I disagree with WHAT you believe and teach.

And WHY every time you SAY, I disagree with Scripture that IS A LIE.
Get it through your thick skull - It is not Scripture I disagree with - It is "YOUR" explanations of Scripture that I disagree with, and I tell you SPECIFICALLY which explanations of YOURS, I disagree with.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

That is precisely what you teach - claiming Jesus is a HUMAN.

Humans do not CHANGE and BECOME GOD, and GOD does not CHANGE and BECOME a HUMAN.

God is the creator - Humans are the created - to endlessly claim (AS YOU HAVE) that God is 100% the Creator and 100% the Created Human is complete idiotic nonsense, claiming complete OPPOSITE things are the SAME.




You apparently do not even remember what you claim -

in fact I just quoted to you a scripture that says Jesus did change [/QUOTE]

And in the same post YOU AGAIN are trying to claim saying Jesus did not change, while saying he did change.



More of your nonsense. God does not change.



There are many "spirits" spoken of in Scripture. Not only two!

Angels are spirits, some holy, some not.
Men have a spirit, some holy, some not.
God is a Spirit, who has SEVEN Spirits, which are all the One Spirit of God, which is Truth.

Rev.3

1. [1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

However the Biblical spirits are not the topic, or such a thing you are capable of having a discussion about, since your understanding all hinges on your mindful logical understanding.



You are quick to dismiss Biblical characters that scripture dismisses - WHEN it is not obvious you are associated with the character;

Some Babylonians TRUSTED the Scripture was TRUE, they simply did not BELIEVE IT -
and TAUGHT against the TRUTH, and WHY they are called the great harlot, and rejected by God.

You are similar - (but not unique) - You Believe some of Scripture is TRUE, but some of Scripture you do not TRUST, and WHY Jesus said to men who do the same, that they are workers of iniquity. Matt 7:23.

You can not TRUST, God appeared in HUMAN form, without BECOMING a HUMAN, and why you preach Jesus was a HUMAN, in contrast to Scripture. And WHY I disagree with WHAT you believe and teach.

And WHY every time you SAY, I disagree with Scripture that IS A LIE.
Get it through your thick skull - It is not Scripture I disagree with - It is "YOUR" explanations of Scripture that I disagree with, and I tell you SPECIFICALLY which explanations of YOURS, I disagree with.

God Bless,
SBC[/QUOTE]
You took that statement out of context read the rest of it it says I said the scripture said Jesus changed cause it does when it says he grew but I then go on to say that refers to his human portion. If you read the rest of my replies you will see my explination so keep reading

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

That is precisely what you teach - claiming Jesus is a HUMAN.

Humans do not CHANGE and BECOME GOD, and GOD does not CHANGE and BECOME a HUMAN.

God is the creator - Humans are the created - to endlessly claim (AS YOU HAVE) that God is 100% the Creator and 100% the Created Human is complete idiotic nonsense, claiming complete OPPOSITE things are the SAME.




You apparently do not even remember what you claim -

in fact I just quoted to you a scripture that says Jesus did change [/QUOTE]

And in the same post YOU AGAIN are trying to claim saying Jesus did not change, while saying he did change.



More of your nonsense. God does not change.



There are many "spirits" spoken of in Scripture. Not only two!

Angels are spirits, some holy, some not.
Men have a spirit, some holy, some not.
God is a Spirit, who has SEVEN Spirits, which are all the One Spirit of God, which is Truth.

Rev.3

1. [1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

However the Biblical spirits are not the topic, or such a thing you are capable of having a discussion about, since your understanding all hinges on your mindful logical understanding.



You are quick to dismiss Biblical characters that scripture dismisses - WHEN it is not obvious you are associated with the character;

Some Babylonians TRUSTED the Scripture was TRUE, they simply did not BELIEVE IT -
and TAUGHT against the TRUTH, and WHY they are called the great harlot, and rejected by God.

You are similar - (but not unique) - You Believe some of Scripture is TRUE, but some of Scripture you do not TRUST, and WHY Jesus said to men who do the same, that they are workers of iniquity. Matt 7:23.

You can not TRUST, God appeared in HUMAN form, without BECOMING a HUMAN, and why you preach Jesus was a HUMAN, in contrast to Scripture. And WHY I disagree with WHAT you believe and teach.

And WHY every time you SAY, I disagree with Scripture that IS A LIE.
Get it through your thick skull - It is not Scripture I disagree with - It is "YOUR" explanations of Scripture that I disagree with, and I tell you SPECIFICALLY which explanations of YOURS, I disagree with.

God Bless,
SBC[/QUOTE]
SEVEN Spirits of God which represents either other angels in the book such as the ones mentioned in revelations 8:2 or may refer even to the 7 angels as in the pastors mentioned in this chapter and the next two chapters, but not 7 different divine supreme Spirits. Now some believe this refers to the fullness of the Holy Spirit but that view is hard to really conceive based off the context of this chapter. But yeah there isn't some 7 fold trinity. So anyway this has nothing to do with Jesus being the Spirit as you claim... it's off topic. And sure you can add the fact that some baboylonians believed in multiple capital S and G Gods and Spirits but believed in the Bible just as you do now.

 

[SBC]

in fact I just quoted to you a scripture that says Jesus did change

You took that statement out of context read the rest of it it says I said the scripture said Jesus changed cause it does when it says he grew but I then go on to say that refers to his human portion. If you read the rest of my replies you will see my explination so keep reading

No. I trust and believe Scripture as it stands.

You established your belief when you claimed Jesus was a Human.
Which is false.

And thereafter, you attempt to put your "context of established Belief" into scripture.
And why you on one had say you don't say Jesus' changes and
then try to imply scripture says He changes, so you can then go back to
your belief, that God changes because you claim He was a human.

It's a circle jerk mode of operation that many like yourself attempt to play.

I don't fall for it. If you didn't use your carnal minded understanding for spiritual things, you wouldn't fall for it either.

God does not change. Jesus does not change. Period

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

6. The blood of Jesus has a spiritual implication but it was also real fleshly blood.

What's "real fleshly blood"? Is that your reference to HUMAN Blood?

Also God just revealed something to me

...

Well then listen closely, because He's probably telling you to stop trying to interpret HIS WORD!

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

No. I trust and believe Scripture as it stands.

You established your belief when you claimed Jesus was a Human.
Which is false.

And thereafter, you attempt to put your "context of established Belief" into scripture.
And why you on one had say you don't say Jesus' changes and
then try to imply scripture says He changes, so you can then go back to
your belief, that God changes because you claim He was a human.

It's a circle jerk mode of operation that many like yourself attempt to play.

I don't fall for it. If you didn't use your carnal minded understanding for spiritual things, you wouldn't fall for it either.

God does not change. Jesus does not change. Period

God Bless,
SBC

1. God is Jesus so that's not going back on my belief Sometimes I may say God sometimes Jesus but I'm talking about the same being, additionally you must not have read my reply because I never said Jesus changes I simply said as the scripture says that he grew which means the body he used changed. 2. No lol I was just being honest you come across as a doosh but if you want to believe it's some... dirty "basketball move" or tactic suit yourself. 3. I never said the diety of Jesus changes just that his human flesh did and scripture clearly says that.. he strted preaching in his 30s and when you age you change. You can be canarl minded and still understand that.. I understood that before I got saved

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

What's "real fleshly blood"? Is that your reference to HUMAN Blood?

...

Well then listen closely, because He's probably telling you to stop trying to interpret HIS WORD!

God Bless,
SBC

And he's telling you to start reading it and take it at face value. I've addressed every strange interpretation you presented and now your reduced to these subtle jabs... just give up and start reading the word at face value. If the word says he was born of Mary... he was born of Mary. He even says that he gave himself a form or body to essentially operate in.. we both have quoted verses in regards to that subject

 

[SBC]

1. God is Jesus so that's not going back on my belief Sometimes I may say God sometimes Jesus but I'm talking about the same being,

Uh huh....AND? Who declared Jesus 100% HUMAN...? You did.
Your 100% God claim is not an issue.
Your claim God is 100% Human...IS the issue.

additionally you must not have read my reply because I never said Jesus changes I simply said as the scripture says that he grew which means the body he used changed.

I know what the scripture says.
And I saw your comment of you claiming that means Jesus "changed".
I do not agree with your assessment of the Scripture.
God does not change.
But, then you only understand scripture according to your carnal understanding.

2. No lol I was just being honest you come across as a doosh but if you want to believe it's some... dirty "basketball move" or tactic suit yourself.

Well, that's typical. I expect name-calling from people who depend on the MIND to interrupt Scripture, and not having a clue of Spiritual understanding.

3. I never said the diety of Jesus changes just that his human flesh did and scripture clearly says that.. he strted preaching in his 30s and when you age you change.

I didn't address Jesus' deity, I KNOW it does not change.

Again, Your preaching "Jesus' human flesh" is total nonsense, and not biblical, and again, precisely what I disagree with you about.

When Humans age, they change? No kidding. And the BIGGEST change God desires humans to do is CHANGE from corrupt to holy!

God is without beginning, without ending.....what is this Human AGE you are ascribing to Jesus, who IS without beginning, without ending. Don't you get it - ??
That is a HUMAN carnal perspective - NOT Spiritual understanding!

You can be canarl minded and still understand that..

Of course, precisely BECAUSE it is carnal mindedness!

As I just demonstrated; God has no AGE! He without beginning, without ending.
There is NO AGE of God to contemplate or understand!

I understood that before I got saved

Well, not news, every man is carnal minded, before becoming saved.
Point is; after becoming saved; your spiritual thoughts from your HEART (NOT MIND) are suppose to kick in; and stop preaching your scriptural explanations from your MIND.

Hello - God is not so pleased with carnal minds, so why do you keep preaching from a carnal mind?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Uh huh....AND? Who declared Jesus 100% HUMAN...? You did.
Your 100% God claim is not an issue.
Your claim God is 100% Human...IS the issue.



I know what the scripture says.
And I saw your comment of you claiming that means Jesus "changed".
I do not agree with your assessment of the Scripture.
God does not change.
But, then you only understand scripture according to your carnal understanding.



Well, that's typical. I expect name-calling from people who depend on the MIND to interrupt Scripture, and not having a clue of Spiritual understanding.



I didn't address Jesus' deity, I KNOW it does not change.

Again, Your preaching "Jesus' human flesh" is total nonsense, and not biblical, and again, precisely what I disagree with you about.

When Humans age, they change? No kidding. And the BIGGEST change God desires humans to do is CHANGE from corrupt to holy!

God is without beginning, without ending.....what is this Human AGE you are ascribing to Jesus, who IS without beginning, without ending. Don't you get it - ??
That is a HUMAN carnal perspective - NOT Spiritual understanding!



Of course, precisely BECAUSE it is carnal mindedness!

As I just demonstrated; God has no AGE! He without beginning, without ending.
There is NO AGE of God to contemplate or understand!



Well, not news, every man is carnal minded, before becoming saved.
Point is; after becoming saved; your spiritual thoughts from your HEART (NOT MIND) are suppose to kick in; and stop preaching your scriptural explanations from your MIND.

Hello - God is not so pleased with carnal minds, so why do you keep preaching from a carnal mind?

God Bless,
SBC

1. GOd doesn't age and since you believe they are seperate Jesus doesn't age either but clearly the manifestation did as stated in scripture. 2. You believe I'm preaching from a carnal mind but clearly I don't so bringing that up does nothing... might help if you support these accusations with scripture though. 3. You ask what human age I'm describing it's in scripture... I'll quote it again. In fact I'll throw in even better verse that hits home.
Luke 2:41-52King James Version (KJV)
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
Now I'll cross refence with the verses I mentioned already....
Luke 2:40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and maN. 4. you realize you're gonna have to do more then call this ridiculous right? If this was some crazy theology sure you could just say that and be done with it but this is something that's accepted by almost every Christian the incarnation and resurrection the good news. You're gonna have to elaborate just for future refence whenever you attempt to promote your ideology. 5. You didn't read what I said after the comment I said Jesus changed as in the flesh did... not the diety of JEsus . Also who are you to tell me what I ment when I typed something lol? Like why act childish and argue over something like that... you can't read my mind. Just accept the fact that you misunderstood a small statement (out of the whole 2 paragraphs) I made about the manifestation.

 

[SBC]

And he's telling you to start reading it and take it at face value.

Uh huh, as you should.

I've addressed every strange interpretation you presented ....start reading the word at face value.

You should try that.
God does not change.
Jesus does not change.
God is the creator.
Humans are the created.

You add to the word making Jesus the created.

If the word says he was born of Mary... he was born of Mary.

Yes, you should trust the word of God.

You add to the word saying Jesus had Mary's DNA.

He even says that he gave himself a form or body to essentially operate in.. we both have quoted verses in regards to that subject

Yes, He takes upon Himself a human form.

You add to the word saying Jesus IS a human.

SEVEN Spirits of God which represents either other angels in the book such as the ones mentioned in revelations 8:2 or may refer even to the 7 angels as in the pastors mentioned in this chapter and the next two chapters,

All gifts come from thee Supreme God, regardless if angels deliver the gifts.

[/QUOTE]but not 7 different divine supreme Spirits.[/QUOTE]

There is ONLY one Supreme Spirit.

Now some believe this refers to the fullness of the Holy Spirit but that view is hard to really conceive based off the context of this chapter.

There is ONLY one Supreme Spirit who gives "different" gifts.

But yeah there isn't some 7 fold trinity.

Funny. Tri- means 3, not 7.

So anyway this has nothing to do with Jesus being the Spirit as you claim...

uh oh. You reject Jesus being the Spirit. Oops for you.
Because a man cannot receive the Holy Spirit, without Jesus, precisely because:
He IS the Spirit, that quickens;
Which means He IS the Spirit that re-births/ brings to life/ quickens/ a mans born again spirit.

1 Cor 15
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

You should take your own advise and trust Scripture.

it's off topic.

Yep, as is most of what you talk about, since pages ago, you claimed Jesus was HUMAN, but have yet to provide one scripture saying so. Nor did you provide one scripture saying Jesus had Mary's DNA.

And sure you can add the fact that some baboylonians believed in multiple capital S and G Gods and Spirits but believed in the Bible just as you do now.

Also off topic, but you missed the point.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

1. GOd doesn't age and since you believe they are seperate

How ignorant can you be?
I said not such thing!
I am not the one claiming Jesus is a HUMAN, that would be you!

Jesus doesn't age either but clearly the manifestation did as stated in scripture.

But, you are the one talking about Jesus' AGE.

2. You believe I'm preaching from a carnal mind but clearly I don't so bringing that up does nothing...

Clearly you do preach from a carnal mind ~ as you preach ~
"a human Jesus"; "Jesus with Mary's DNA"; THAT is NOT Scriptural!

might help if you support these accusations with scripture though.

Your own words, and LACK of your own words and teaching being IN Scripture, is proof, you ADD to the word of God.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

. 3. You ask what human age I'm describing it's in scripture... I'll quote it again. In fact I'll throw in even better verse that hits home.

Part 1 of 2

You have a problem with understanding.

A timeline of Jesus' APPEARANCE "AS" a man; is for the benefit of Human men to SEE Jesus AS AN EXAMPLE of what Human men should do.

By the time a HUMAN becomes an ADULT - they ARE SUPPOSED to have come to the UNDERSTANDING -

Jesus IS Spirit ~ IS God ~ appeared AS A MAN ~ so aimless men ~ would learn from Jesus ~ as an EXAMPLE ~ of HOW men can become reconciled unto God.

Jesus IS the Lord - without beginning - without ending - period!
Jesus Christ IS the Lord God - without beginning - without ending - period!
The Lord - IS NOT a created Human.

A BABE is an immature Human. A BABY or an ADULT without knowledge, without understanding.

The timeline IN Scripture does not matter - because from the beginning to This day, there Are Babys and Adults without knowledge and without understanding of God.

We have the facts of a time line - 4,000 years of men being given the Word of God.
Hearing, Visions, God appearing As an Angel, teaching, directing men.

For SOME men; they followed and obeyed what they heard, what they saw in visions, what God, appearing as an Angel, told them.

SOME men; rejected believing and trusting Gods Word.

The MEN, WHO DID Believe and Trust, taught their families, their children to ALSO believe and trust and obey God - some of their offspring DID believe and trust - some didn't. Some would assimilate with FOREIGN man-made beliefs and other gods.

400 years of Bondage FOR the very people who had been hearing, having visions, and teaching the Word of God.

400 years of Bondage ends. The people are release into Freedom. God again puts in the ears of one who believes to AGAIN teach the people the Word of God.

The People are all happy, and believe, and whoop, whoop, to be freed, to be fed, to be receiving fine gifts, see miracles.........BUT, the minute they have a problem, a struggle, a fear......they begin CHALLENGING God, and whining, and stop trusting God.

God dictated to Moses early on to WRITE of His experiences with God.
God dictated to Arron (Moses' brother) to MINISTER the LAWS to the people.

Because BABES WHO are LAW-LESS, are they, without knowledge, without wisdom, without understanding - thus is the PURPOSE for LAWS.

And SOME WILL obey the LAWS, and SOME will not - regardless of what tribe, group, family, they are of - and regardless of what "NAME TAG" they are called by.
(Jew or Gentile, Christian, whatever - Name Tags simply imply a basic belief - it does not mean every individual believes everything exactly the same, or does exactly the same things)

After the 400 yrs of bondage of the VERY people WHO, were supposed to be Writing, Safekeeping, Spreading, Teaching, Preaching, the Word of God -
Those People (Jews) were released from bondage into a CHAOTIC crude world, rampant with statue gods, mythical gods, men gods, gods, gods, gods, of every kind, thing, shape, form that carnal minded men could imagine and dream up.

Those People, (Jews), while believing, were not TRUSTING.
Believing WHILE NOT TRUSTING GOD, is not unique to the Jews or the Gentiles -
It is however UNIQUE to Individuals -

Individuals WHO Believe AND Trust God - are the Individuals WHO have gained the Knowledge given - from the beginning - WHO have gained Wisdom given - WHO are prepared to receive the Understanding given BY GOD to that individual - WHO are then prepared to teach and preach (ACCORDING to God) (NOT THEIR individual MIND)!

Continued -

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

You might as well come over to my side because oneoness believes that part of the reason God became human through Jesus is to be an example. This reply also doesn't addrsss the fact that The 100% human vessel JEsus walked in aged. I also have ye to hear a verse from you that proves that this was merely an appearance and not his actual vessel he used 1 john 3:16 says he manifested himself not just in Apperence. Not to mention the child grew and was 12 at one time and became 33 or so and then started preaching... that's more then just a simple minor manifestation. I don't have trouble understanding you just have a faulty ideology that doesnt have a support for it. It's part of the reason no one embraces it I suppose.. can't support it with logic, common sense, or scripture . Espsicully considering the fact that the reply you just made has no scriptural evidence... to address my post that had scriptural evidence.

 

[SBC]

2. You believe I'm preaching from a carnal mind

Part 2 of 2

Your preaching IS carnal minded preaching - When God wants servants who will teach and preach with His Wisdom and His Understanding.

The number one thing YOU MISS is JESUS is MANKINDS EXAMPLE.

Men do not do well ONLY with hearing, following, believing and trusting .....
UNTIL they CAN "SEE" an EXAMPLE.

Men born of the earth - obviously applies to all men -
And all men born of the earth - ARE SEPARATED FROM God -

And ALL men born of the earth - Are stubborn to believe what they can not SEE.

Some men - (a few) will set aside their stubbornness (and believe BY FAITH) - MANY will not. They WILL NOT, believe, UNTIL they SEE.

Even men in the OT, who said they believed, WANTED TO SEE God.

God promised men in the OT, He would reveal Himself, and walk among men, and BE their God. Men, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait -

And AH HA! From the VIRGIN Womb of a human woman comes a BABY -
Praised and Worshiped by earthly kings. The Baby presented gifts - gifts precisely reserved as gifts to be given to a king.

God dictates the coming of this HOLY THING, that is revealed from this woman's Womb.
God dictates WHAT to CALL this HOLY THING.
Scripture reveals this HOLY THING, that LOOKS LIKE A HUMAN MAN, and WILL BE RECEIVED unto men, "AS" a HUMAN MAN, WILL BE, God Himself, in the LIKENESS "AS A HUMAN MAN".

Scripture reveals - This Holy Thing SHALL be called the Son of God, Jesus, the Word of God, Holy, Pure, Life, Way, Truth, Spirit, Christ, Power, Wisdom, Savoir, and other things.

I know and believe these things.
I don't doubt you do also.

I trust the Lord God Almighty - is Thee Supreme One God, and thee Supreme Knowledge, Wisdom;
I don't doubt you do also.

AND I TRUST thee Christ Lord Jesus ..IS...the Supreme TEACHER of UNDERSTANDING of Gods TRUTH.

However I do not believe YOU do.

I SEE what you reveal, YOU TRUST. YOU, by your own testimony TRUST what HUMAN men say.

You say: "Jesus IS a Human" and you, like other men, dictate, Jesus is explained, as a math equation; as being 100% HUMAN.

You ALSO dictate Jesus, as a math equation; as being 100% God.

Can you be MORE oxymoron, making COMPLETE opposites, of the Creator and the Created being the SAME THING? Ridiculous! Even mathematically ignorant!

You say: "Jesus is God, WHILE claiming Jesus has HUMAN DNA".

Can you be MORE oxymoron? Jesus is a Spirit. Seriously, You are a scientist who has TESTED any Spirit, to discover they have DNA? Ridiculous!

Nothing in Scripture teaches Jesus was a Human, or that Spirits have DNA!

Scripture teaches God came among Human men; AS AN EXAMPLE "FOR" Human men,
to observe God, and DO AS HE EXAMPLES, so that, human men COULD become reconciled unto God.

Human parents do the same thing! Human parents are examples to their children -
Human parents ACT like children, to teach by example to their children in a fashion a child can understand.

Do you THINK when a parent coos to their baby; it is because the parent "IS the baby", and doesn't know how to talk?

Do you THINK when a parent crawls around on the floor with the baby watching; it because the parent "IS the baby", and doesn't know how to walk?

Do you THINK when a parent puts on a helmet and rides a TRICYCLE with the Child is watching; it is because the parent "IS the Child", and doesn't know how to ride a Trike?

Point being; the Parent "IS" the EXAMPLE. The Parent IS NOT the Baby, IS NOT the Child. The PARENT does not BECOME the Baby, the Child!

Jesus is God with us - He IS mankind's EXAMPLE -
He uses a BODY, prepared of God, so Human Men could SEE Him use that BODY, in the likeness of men - so Human men could DO with THEIR body, as He SHOWS them HOW, with HIS BODY, for them to do WITH "their body".

However with you the problem is: You preach Jesus "IS the Human".

You may fully recognize a HUMAN parent teacher/example, DOES NOT become the child -

But when it comes to God - who examples to mankind - By your teaching; YOU MAKE HIM the Human! Which IS a LIE.

And THAT my friend is my WHOLE disagreement with you.
I do not disagree with Scripture.

However EVERY TIME - YOU testify with YOUR words, ascribing that Jesus IS HUMAN - with your explanations of 100% Human Jesus; with your Human Flesh Jesus; with your
Jesus having Human Blood; with your Jesus having Human DNA; with your Jesus aging; with your claims of Jesus "changing"......

IS you exhibiting a total lack of understanding - and then you trying to argue your understanding is correct. It isn't!

Jesus is our example, and used a prepared BODY, for the express purpose of teaching mankind in a fashion they could SEE and comprehend it was God giving mankind an EXAMPLE they could SEE and then do the same, with "their" human body's!

It does not matter HOW God decided would Be the BEST WAY to teach mankind.
What does matter is GOD DID DECIDE HOW He would teach mankind.
God DID DECIDE to come among Human men, LOOKING LIKE; DOING SIMILAR THINGS LIKE; mankind.

Being born out of a woman; LIKE human men are.
Walking, talking, growing, having a mommy and daddy, going to Temple, eating, sleeping, being tempted, being spit on, being loved, being rejected, being tired, being hungry, feeling alone, having friends, having enemies, being wrongly accused, being poor, having people trust Him, having people not believe Him, being happy, being sad, being frustrated, being killed, and on and on and on ----

Hello - EVERYTHING that Scripture reveals ABOUT Jesus - that APPLIES to an experience a HUMAN MAN will face - is ABOUT Jesus being the EXAMPLE of not ONLY what HUMAN MEN WILL FACE - BUT "HOW TO handle and deal with" what the humans WILL Face.

You focus your attention on Jesus, AS A MAN, even calling Him a HUMAN MAN -
When the prize is; KNOWING He is the Lord God, the Father, TEACHING men 'HOW TO", overcome the adversities human men WILL face, and "HOW TO" become reconciled unto God.

God is a not without Supreme Power, that He can not APPEAR as a man, to effect His Will.

But YOU - you must not be able to TRUST God can APPEAR as a man to effect His Will -
Because YOU - have to Turn God INTO A HUMAN MAN - (which you do by your own word, your own teaching). You make God a Human man. God doesn't. Scripture doesn't.

God does not CHANGE. It does not matter HOW God teaches men, or in what FORM or APPEARANCE He reveals Himself - God does not change.

And you SHOULD have come to the understanding - God does not age.
As in ALL Scripture - God being the EXAMPLE is expressly for mankinds benefit!

12 yr old - you should have KNOWN that is an EXAMPLE for mankind - that by the time a child is 12 yrs old - they should already KNOW who their Heavenly Father is - and be able to SPEAK the word of God with knowledge, trust and confidence.

30 yr old - you should have KNOWN that is an EXAMPLE for mankind - that by the time a men are 30 yrs old - they should be prepared to TEACH the word of God with knowledge, trust, WISDOM and Understanding, according to GODS truth, wisdom and understanding.

Somehow, you missed the point of the lesson - because you don't speak of those things.
What you do is speak of "ages", and Jesus being "Human".

You would do well to:
read, believe, and TRUST Scripture.
know the facts and TRUST them;
God is the creator, NEVER the created.
Stop making God a created Human.
KNOW God is an EXAMPLE "for" Humans.
Stop making God an Example that "IS" Human.
Know God does not CHANGE, ever.
Know God HAS the POWER to appear in many forms...
....BUT those forms, DO NOT CHANGE GOD.
God appearing as a DOVE - does not make or change God into an animal.
God appearing as a human man - does not make or change God into a human man.

Stop TRUSTING HUMAN men ABOVE God.
It is MEN who teach God is Human- 100% human nonsense. DNA nonsense.
And THOSE are things you trust, you teach....
But those are NOT things Scripture teaches or God teaches.

Get your priorities straight because you say one thing and trust another;
which is WHY, I disagree with you.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

How ignorant can you be?
I said not such thing!
I am not the one claiming Jesus is a HUMAN, that would be you!



But, you are the one talking about Jesus' AGE.



Clearly you do preach from a carnal mind ~ as you preach ~
"a human Jesus"; "Jesus with Mary's DNA"; THAT is NOT Scriptural!



Your own words, and LACK of your own words and teaching being IN Scripture, is proof, you ADD to the word of God.

God Bless,
SBC

Since I'm the only one really using scripture even if I was adding to the word (I'm not) but let's say in some hypothetical I was... you're not addressing me with the Word so you're not in a posistion to accuse me of adding to it. If someone adds to the word while using the Word and one guy doesn't use the word at all but just his own words... like really? I continuously quote to you how Jesus was 100% divine always but made himself a 100% body that was born of Mary and you don't disprove that at all with any scripture. You make the argument that human isn't specifically listed but Paul doesn't specifically list human either when he talks about denying the flesh or walking in the flesh.. so I guess we don't have human flesh either.
Matthew 1:18

“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.” What's insane is I thought you simply disputed Jesus having a human body... which was unheard of in itself.... but your disputing the fact that he aged too... that is insane... some like JWs disagree as you do with The popular view of Jesus and the incarnation somewhat (not who you want to be associated with btw but that's just how it is for you right now) but even they don't go as far as to suggest he didn't age... lastly the Bible says he aged I'll use the Word of God again. Luke 2:41-52King JamesVersion (KJV)
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old,they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Uh huh, as you should.



You should try that.
God does not change.
Jesus does not change.
God is the creator.
Humans are the created.

You add to the word making Jesus the created.



Yes, you should trust the word of God.

You add to the word saying Jesus had Mary's DNA.



Yes, He takes upon Himself a human form.

You add to the word saying Jesus IS a human.



All gifts come from thee Supreme God, regardless if angels deliver the gifts.

but not 7 different divine supreme Spirits.[/QUOTE]

There is ONLY one Supreme Spirit.



There is ONLY one Supreme Spirit who gives "different" gifts.



Funny. Tri- means 3, not 7.



uh oh. You reject Jesus being the Spirit. Oops for you.
Because a man cannot receive the Holy Spirit, without Jesus, precisely because:
He IS the Spirit, that quickens;
Which means He IS the Spirit that re-births/ brings to life/ quickens/ a mans born again spirit.

1 Cor 15
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

You should take your own advise and trust Scripture.



Yep, as is most of what you talk about, since pages ago, you claimed Jesus was HUMAN, but have yet to provide one scripture saying so. Nor did you provide one scripture saying Jesus had Mary's DNA.



Also off topic, but you missed the point.

God Bless,
SBC[/QUOTE]
1. Again human isn't mentioned with flesh a lot in the NT Paul doesn't use the word in a lot of cases either. 2. Also I'm aware tri means 3 I see what you mean though I guess you would believe in some double trinity then plus 1? But anyway you may be finnaly grasping this. Jesus is the Spirit that God is because they are one in the same. The Holy Spirit as you agree with is the Spirir of Christ on the inside as well. You even agree that there is one Supreme Spirit... your views learn more so towards oneones outside of the incarnation perspective as this goes on. John 10:30 I and my Father are one
Romans 8:9King James Version (KJV)
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Holy Spirit is addressed 3 ways here's because it's of the one God who's name is Jesus. Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (They received the Spirir of Christ at pentocost that's what the Holy Ghost is... it explains why the Holy Ghost came into the womb of Mary as well). 3. I mean to be born... which the scripture says the body of Christ was means to be created... it's biblical bud you just simply say it doesn't apply. The manifestation Jesus utilized was created.

 

[SBC]

You might as well come over to my side

No thanks, I'll keep myself on Gods side.

God became human

Nope. Impossible for the Creator to become the Created.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

you're not addressing me with the Word

Already did, posts and pages ago - they were of no interest to you.

No need for me to repeat and repeat them to you.

God does not change. God does not become the created, no matter how many times you claim God became a human.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Part 2 of 2

Your preaching IS carnal minded preaching - When God wants servants who will teach and preach with His Wisdom and His Understanding.

The number one thing YOU MISS is JESUS is MANKINDS EXAMPLE.

Men do not do well ONLY with hearing, following, believing and trusting .....
UNTIL they CAN "SEE" an EXAMPLE.

Men born of the earth - obviously applies to all men -
And all men born of the earth - ARE SEPARATED FROM God -

And ALL men born of the earth - Are stubborn to believe what they can not SEE.

Some men - (a few) will set aside their stubbornness (and believe BY FAITH) - MANY will not. They WILL NOT, believe, UNTIL they SEE.

Even men in the OT, who said they believed, WANTED TO SEE God.

God promised men in the OT, He would reveal Himself, and walk among men, and BE their God. Men, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait -

And AH HA! From the VIRGIN Womb of a human woman comes a BABY -
Praised and Worshiped by earthly kings. The Baby presented gifts - gifts precisely reserved as gifts to be given to a king.

God dictates the coming of this HOLY THING, that is revealed from this woman's Womb.
God dictates WHAT to CALL this HOLY THING.
Scripture reveals this HOLY THING, that LOOKS LIKE A HUMAN MAN, and WILL BE RECEIVED unto men, "AS" a HUMAN MAN, WILL BE, God Himself, in the LIKENESS "AS A HUMAN MAN".

Scripture reveals - This Holy Thing SHALL be called the Son of God, Jesus, the Word of God, Holy, Pure, Life, Way, Truth, Spirit, Christ, Power, Wisdom, Savoir, and other things.

I know and believe these things.
I don't doubt you do also.

I trust the Lord God Almighty - is Thee Supreme One God, and thee Supreme Knowledge, Wisdom;
I don't doubt you do also.

AND I TRUST thee Christ Lord Jesus ..IS...the Supreme TEACHER of UNDERSTANDING of Gods TRUTH.

However I do not believe YOU do.

I SEE what you reveal, YOU TRUST. YOU, by your own testimony TRUST what HUMAN men say.

You say: "Jesus IS a Human" and you, like other men, dictate, Jesus is explained, as a math equation; as being 100% HUMAN.

You ALSO dictate Jesus, as a math equation; as being 100% God.

Can you be MORE oxymoron, making COMPLETE opposites, of the Creator and the Created being the SAME THING? Ridiculous! Even mathematically ignorant!

You say: "Jesus is God, WHILE claiming Jesus has HUMAN DNA".

Can you be MORE oxymoron? Jesus is a Spirit. Seriously, You are a scientist who has TESTED any Spirit, to discover they have DNA? Ridiculous!

Nothing in Scripture teaches Jesus was a Human, or that Spirits have DNA!

Scripture teaches God came among Human men; AS AN EXAMPLE "FOR" Human men,
to observe God, and DO AS HE EXAMPLES, so that, human men COULD become reconciled unto God.

Human parents do the same thing! Human parents are examples to their children -
Human parents ACT like children, to teach by example to their children in a fashion a child can understand.

Do you THINK when a parent coos to their baby; it is because the parent "IS the baby", and doesn't know how to talk?

Do you THINK when a parent crawls around on the floor with the baby watching; it because the parent "IS the baby", and doesn't know how to walk?

Do you THINK when a parent puts on a helmet and rides a TRICYCLE with the Child is watching; it is because the parent "IS the Child", and doesn't know how to ride a Trike?

Point being; the Parent "IS" the EXAMPLE. The Parent IS NOT the Baby, IS NOT the Child. The PARENT does not BECOME the Baby, the Child!

Jesus is God with us - He IS mankind's EXAMPLE -
He uses a BODY, prepared of God, so Human Men could SEE Him use that BODY, in the likeness of men - so Human men could DO with THEIR body, as He SHOWS them HOW, with HIS BODY, for them to do WITH "their body".

However with you the problem is: You preach Jesus "IS the Human".

You may fully recognize a HUMAN parent teacher/example, DOES NOT become the child -

But when it comes to God - who examples to mankind - By your teaching; YOU MAKE HIM the Human! Which IS a LIE.

And THAT my friend is my WHOLE disagreement with you.
I do not disagree with Scripture.

However EVERY TIME - YOU testify with YOUR words, ascribing that Jesus IS HUMAN - with your explanations of 100% Human Jesus; with your Human Flesh Jesus; with your
Jesus having Human Blood; with your Jesus having Human DNA; with your Jesus aging; with your claims of Jesus "changing"......

IS you exhibiting a total lack of understanding - and then you trying to argue your understanding is correct. It isn't!

Jesus is our example, and used a prepared BODY, for the express purpose of teaching mankind in a fashion they could SEE and comprehend it was God giving mankind an EXAMPLE they could SEE and then do the same, with "their" human body's!

It does not matter HOW God decided would Be the BEST WAY to teach mankind.
What does matter is GOD DID DECIDE HOW He would teach mankind.
God DID DECIDE to come among Human men, LOOKING LIKE; DOING SIMILAR THINGS LIKE; mankind.

Being born out of a woman; LIKE human men are.
Walking, talking, growing, having a mommy and daddy, going to Temple, eating, sleeping, being tempted, being spit on, being loved, being rejected, being tired, being hungry, feeling alone, having friends, having enemies, being wrongly accused, being poor, having people trust Him, having people not believe Him, being happy, being sad, being frustrated, being killed, and on and on and on ----

Hello - EVERYTHING that Scripture reveals ABOUT Jesus - that APPLIES to an experience a HUMAN MAN will face - is ABOUT Jesus being the EXAMPLE of not ONLY what HUMAN MEN WILL FACE - BUT "HOW TO handle and deal with" what the humans WILL Face.

You focus your attention on Jesus, AS A MAN, even calling Him a HUMAN MAN -
When the prize is; KNOWING He is the Lord God, the Father, TEACHING men 'HOW TO", overcome the adversities human men WILL face, and "HOW TO" become reconciled unto God.

God is a not without Supreme Power, that He can not APPEAR as a man, to effect His Will.

But YOU - you must not be able to TRUST God can APPEAR as a man to effect His Will -
Because YOU - have to Turn God INTO A HUMAN MAN - (which you do by your own word, your own teaching). You make God a Human man. God doesn't. Scripture doesn't.

God does not CHANGE. It does not matter HOW God teaches men, or in what FORM or APPEARANCE He reveals Himself - God does not change.

And you SHOULD have come to the understanding - God does not age.
As in ALL Scripture - God being the EXAMPLE is expressly for mankinds benefit!

12 yr old - you should have KNOWN that is an EXAMPLE for mankind - that by the time a child is 12 yrs old - they should already KNOW who their Heavenly Father is - and be able to SPEAK the word of God with knowledge, trust and confidence.

30 yr old - you should have KNOWN that is an EXAMPLE for mankind - that by the time a men are 30 yrs old - they should be prepared to TEACH the word of God with knowledge, trust, WISDOM and Understanding, according to GODS truth, wisdom and understanding.

Somehow, you missed the point of the lesson - because you don't speak of those things.
What you do is speak of "ages", and Jesus being "Human".

You would do well to:
read, believe, and TRUST Scripture.
know the facts and TRUST them;
God is the creator, NEVER the created.
Stop making God a created Human.
KNOW God is an EXAMPLE "for" Humans.
Stop making God an Example that "IS" Human.
Know God does not CHANGE, ever.
Know God HAS the POWER to appear in many forms...
....BUT those forms, DO NOT CHANGE GOD.
God appearing as a DOVE - does not make or change God into an animal.
God appearing as a human man - does not make or change God into a human man.

Stop TRUSTING HUMAN men ABOVE God.
It is MEN who teach God is Human- 100% human nonsense. DNA nonsense.
And THOSE are things you trust, you teach....
But those are NOT things Scripture teaches or God teaches.

Get your priorities straight because you say one thing and trust another;
which is WHY, I disagree with you.

God Bless,
SBC

1. Look like you I can elaborate and break down things in a nice looking way... I'm just waiting on a scripture that says Jesus was simply appeared human and didn't manifest himself as a human. Again 1 john 3:16 says he manifested himself as a human. 2. Also 12 years old was his age though... why he was 12 isn't the point the fact of he matter is that he was 12 and then he continued to grow. Also even if Jesus aged to 30 as an example his fleshly form still aged. I disagree there though... because the Bible says your sons and daughters shall prophecy and he was teaching at the temple at 12. 3. GOd doesn't change but the manifestation he used did change. 4. GOd is not without supreme power that he can't manifest himself as a man that ages and he himself doesn't change just the body itself. You said the body is too corruptible for God to ever use but God is all powerful he has no limits and if humans can walk in the spirit and not fulfill the list of the flesh JEsus can for sure be sinless which he was while walking on Earth. 4. $Have you not read my replies ??? I've been trying to tell you that the whole time THAT the MANIFESTATION GOD USES DOSNT CHANGE HIM!!!!!! ONLY HIS FLESH CHANGED. 5. No we teach us oneoness and trinitarians who embrace this... that Jesus was manifested as a human to die and bear our sins not that he still is in that flesh.