Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[Skreeper]

Do you think I'm a high school student just learning these things? I could tell you every argument they have 30 years ago. They only change when they get cornered by things like DNA and soft tissue in dinosaur bones.

Based on your responses here I doubt you ever managed to finish a basic biology class.

 

[Colter]

That moves the ultimate beginning of life back one step, but it still doesn't answer the problem of abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is a false theory based on the observation by science of the remains of how created life evolved.

In my particular Christian theology, which comes from the 20th century Urantia revelation, or 5th epochal revelation, Life was created, evolved and was fostered by the agents of God, celestial beings known as "The Life Carriers" roughly 550,000,000 years ago. This revelation which occurred from 1911-34 and printed in 55', is increasingly validated by the findings of science. The YEC story of the Hebrew writers, originally meant for instruction and tradition, is not consistent with our observations in the geological record.

 

[The Stamp]

Was John the Baptist born an atheist?

Christianity wasn't even a thing when John the Baptist was born?
Nearly every baby (some are born brain damaged) is born an atheist and has the ability to learn any language.

 

[Jimmy D]

Abiogenesis is a false theory based on the observation by science of the remains of how created life evolved.

In my particular Christian theology, which comes from the 20th century Urantia revelation, or 5th epochal revelation, Life was created, evolved and was fostered by the agents of God, celestial beings known as "The Life Carriers" roughly 550,000,000 years ago. This revelation which occurred from 1911-34 and printed in 55', is increasingly validated by the findings of science. The YEC story of the Hebrew writers, originally meant for instruction and tradition, is not consistent with our observations in the geological record.

Hi Colter, I'm just wondering about the nature of the first life in your theology, do you believe it was created in a form similar to what 'science' would expect (prokaryotic cells or whatever) and evolved from there?

 

[Armoured]

Abiogenesis is a false theory based on the observation by science of the remains of how created life evolved.

In my particular Christian theology, which comes from the 20th century Urantia revelation, or 5th epochal revelation, Life was created, evolved and was fostered by the agents of God, celestial beings known as "The Life Carriers" roughly 550,000,000 years ago. This revelation which occurred from 1911-34 and printed in 55', is increasingly validated by the findings of science. The YEC story of the Hebrew writers, originally meant for instruction and tradition, is not consistent with our observations in the geological record.

Wow.

 

[AV1611VET]

Saved from what?

Heck.

 

[AV1611VET]

Christianity wasn't even a thing when John the Baptist was born?
Nearly every baby (some are born brain damaged) is born an atheist and has the ability to learn any language.

Was Jesus born an atheist?

 

[The Stamp]

Heck.

It's OK I didn't expect you to know.

 

[The Stamp]

Was Jesus born an atheist?

I thought you said Jesus was a God not a man? how can we move forward if you keep changing your mind?
or do you want your God to be a man for somethings and a God for others?

 

[Colter]

Hi Colter, I'm just wondering about the nature of the first life in your theology, do you believe it was created in a form similar to what 'science' would expect (prokaryotic cells or whatever) and evolved from there?

Hi Jimmy, they use the term "original life patterns". The narration in the clip is from the Life Carriers who have been on the planet ever since they organized the life patterns. That's the claim of the massive tome.


"The vital spark — the mystery of life — is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind.

In the bestowal of life the Life Carriers transmit nothing of their personal natures, not even on those spheres where new orders of life are projected. At such times they simply initiate and transmit the spark of life, start the required revolutions of matter in accordance with the physical, chemical, and electrical specifications of the ordained plans and patterns. Life Carriers are living catalytic presences which agitate, organize, and vitalize the otherwise inert elements of the material order of existence."



The Life-Dawn Era

"That we are called Life Carriers should not confuse you. We can and do carry life to the planets, but we brought no life to Urantia. Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia.

550,000,000 years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life (aside from extraplanetary personalities) down to the days of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations. These three life implantations have been designated as: the central or Eurasian-African, the eastern or Australasian, and the western, embracing Greenland and the Americas.

500,000,000 years ago primitive marine vegetable life was well established on Urantia. Greenland and the arctic land mass, together with North and South America, were beginning their long and slow westward drift. Africa moved slightly south, creating an east and west trough, the Mediterranean basin, between itself and the mother body. Antarctica, Australia, and the land indicated by the islands of the Pacific broke away on the south and east and have drifted far away since that day.

We had planted the primitive form of marine life in the sheltered tropic bays of the central seas of the east-west cleavage of the breaking-up continental land mass. Our purpose in making three marine-life implantations was to insure that each great land mass would carry this life with it, in its warm-water seas, as the land subsequently separated. We foresaw that in the later era of the emergence of land life large oceans of water would separate these drifting continental land masses."

 

[Jimmy D]

Hi Jimmy, they use the term "original life patterns". The narration in the clip is from the Life Carriers who have been on the planet ever since they organized the life patterns. That's the claim of the massive tome.


"The vital spark — the mystery of life — is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind.

In the bestowal of life the Life Carriers transmit nothing of their personal natures, not even on those spheres where new orders of life are projected. At such times they simply initiate and transmit the spark of life, start the required revolutions of matter in accordance with the physical, chemical, and electrical specifications of the ordained plans and patterns. Life Carriers are living catalytic presences which agitate, organize, and vitalize the otherwise inert elements of the material order of existence."



The Life-Dawn Era

"That we are called Life Carriers should not confuse you. We can and do carry life to the planets, but we brought no life to Urantia. Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia.

550,000,000 years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life (aside from extraplanetary personalities) down to the days of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations. These three life implantations have been designated as: the central or Eurasian-African, the eastern or Australasian, and the western, embracing Greenland and the Americas.

500,000,000 years ago primitive marine vegetable life was well established on Urantia. Greenland and the arctic land mass, together with North and South America, were beginning their long and slow westward drift. Africa moved slightly south, creating an east and west trough, the Mediterranean basin, between itself and the mother body. Antarctica, Australia, and the land indicated by the islands of the Pacific broke away on the south and east and have drifted far away since that day.

We had planted the primitive form of marine life in the sheltered tropic bays of the central seas of the east-west cleavage of the breaking-up continental land mass. Our purpose in making three marine-life implantations was to insure that each great land mass would carry this life with it, in its warm-water seas, as the land subsequently separated. We foresaw that in the later era of the emergence of land life large oceans of water would separate these drifting continental land masses."

Thanks. Interesting theology, I'd never heard of it before, I won't badger you further though, I'll have a look on wiki or somewhere.

 

[Colter]

This is an interesting discovery from 2016

Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins when sperm meets egg

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought you said Jesus was a God not a man?

I never said Jesus was a God not a man.

how can we move forward if you keep changing your mind?

I really don't think the problem is on my end.

or do you want your God to be a man for somethings and a God for others?

Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man.

That's why He is referred to as both the son of God and the son of Man.

 

[Colter]

"Science should do for man materially what religion does for him spiritually: extend the horizon of life and enlarge his personality. True science can have no lasting quarrel with true religion. The “scientific method” is merely an intellectual yardstick wherewith to measure material adventures and physical achievements. But being material and wholly intellectual, it is utterly useless in the evaluation of spiritual realities and religious experiences." UB 1955

 

[Skreeper]

"Science should do for man materially what religion does for him spiritually: extend the horizon of life and enlarge his personality. True science can have no lasting quarrel with true religion. The “scientific method” is merely an intellectual yardstick wherewith to measure material adventures and physical achievements. But being material and wholly intellectual, it is utterly useless in the evaluation of spiritual realities and religious experiences." UB 1955

For that to be true you have to believe that "spiritual realities" exist in some form. I don't believe that.

 

[Colter]

For that to be true you have to believe that "spiritual realities" exist in some form. I don't believe that.

I understand that you don't believe that, but your pessimism is proof that you aren't entirely material. So, as a conscious being you are left to deny your own transcendence from the material in the Atheist belief system. In the doctrines of doubt, faith in a godless universe is the ideal.

"The inconsistency of the modern mechanist is: If this were merely a material universe and man only a machine, such a man would be wholly unable to recognize himself as such a machine, and likewise would such a machine-man be wholly unconscious of the fact of the existence of such a material universe. The materialistic dismay and despair of a mechanistic science has failed to recognize the fact of the spirit-indwelt mind of the scientist whose very supermaterial insight formulates these mistaken and self-contradictory concepts of a materialistic universe.

Paradise values of eternity and infinity, of truth, beauty, and goodness, are concealed within the facts of the phenomena of the universes of time and space. But it requires the eye of faith in a spirit-born mortal to detect and discern these spiritual values."

 

[Skreeper]

I understand that you don't believe that, but your pessimism is proof that you aren't entirely material. So, as a conscious being you are left to deny your own transcendence from the material in the Atheist belief system. In the doctrines of doubt, faith in a godless universe is the ideal.

Did that make sense to you when you typed that? Because I have no idea what you're saying here.

 

[Colter]

Did that make sense to you when you typed that? Because I have no idea what you're saying here.

Yes, and I feel certain that if you think about it for a bit you will see the truth in it. You are more than a material thing, your consciousness is not subject to gravity. Your material body is, but not consciousness.

 

[Skreeper]

Yes, and I feel certain that if you think about it for a bit you will see the truth in it. You are more than a material thing, your consciousness is not subject to gravity. Your material body is, but not consciousness.

My consciousness is a product of my brain. You can alter my brain and change my consciousness that way.
Can you demonstrate that consciousness can "exist" absent a brain?

 

[Colter]

My consciousness is a product of my brain. You can alter my brain and change my consciousness that way.
Can you demonstrate that consciousness can "exist" absent a brain?

No, it's like a cell phone and a signal. The signal is not the phone and the phone is not the signal, but they need each other to function. Consciousness and personality rests gently on the electrochemical platform of your material mind. You were born with the potential of becoming responsive to spirit.

"If this were only a material universe, material man would never be able to arrive at the concept of the mechanistic character of such an exclusively material existence. This very mechanistic concept of the universe is in itself a nonmaterial phenomenon of mind, and all mind is of nonmaterial origin, no matter how thoroughly it may appear to be materially conditioned and mechanistically controlled."