Loving the Unelect

[BukiRob]

I'm quoting scripture. You are spinning.

You don't seem to realize that there is a distinction between obedience to Jesus and adherence to the Jewish Law.

No dear brother it is you who do not understand what the Torah is about. Moreover it is you who do not even know that Messiah IS the LIVING TORAH.

I have quoted voluminous amounts of scripture.

When John writes... In the beginning was the word and the word was with G-d and the word was G-d..... What word is John speaking about?

Because at the time John is writing this there is only 1 WORD that existed.... THE TORAH/TANAK.

Yeshua declares that: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

If you study the OT you will discover that the Torah is called THE WAY, THE TRUTH and LIFE.....

But I digress...

 

[Strivax]

And G-d's standard of morality is spelled out.... Wait for it.... in the TORAH.

Well, if you prefer the the laws of the rulers of a primitive tribe some 4000-2000 BC to the more modern findings of philosophical ethics, I guess that is what you might believe. I like to think humanity has made moral progress, since then.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

ie. Christian.

A man reaps what he sows. Jesus helps us sow to the Spirit.

you believe we can take out our own heart of stone and give ourselves a heart of flesh?

 

[BukiRob]

Well, if you prefer the the laws of the rulers of a primitive tribe some 4000-2000 BC to the more modern findings of philosophical ethics, I guess that is what you might believe. I like to think humanity has made moral progress, since then.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Oh, so now the Word of G-d is only subject to what you wiliing to accept as truth.

Its either ALL the Word or NONE OF IT IS.

 

[Thursday]

No dear brother it is you who do not understand what the Torah is about. Moreover it is you who do not even know that Messiah IS the LIVING TORAH.

I have quoted voluminous amounts of scripture.


But I digress...

You do digress. Your man made dogma is full of digressions and omissions.

Chew on this:

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

 

[BukiRob]

you believe we can take out our own heart of stone and give ourselves a heart of flesh?

Such a thing is not possible for man... Only G-d can do such a thing

 

[Thursday]

you believe we can take out our own heart of stone and give ourselves a heart of flesh?

No need. All have been made alive in Christ. Now we choose to follow his will or to reject it. What do you choose?

 

[Thursday]

Such a thing is not possible for man... Only G-d can do such a thing

Exactly. And he has.

 

[BukiRob]

You do digress. Your man made dogma is full of digressions and omissions.

Chew on this:

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Circumcision is the sign of becoming or being a male Jew.

Keeping G-d's commandments are THE TORAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

No need. All have been made alive in Christ. Now we choose to follow his will or to reject it. What do you choose?

so hitler was alive in Christ?

 

[ToBeLoved]

If you study the OT you will discover that the Torah is called THE WAY, THE TRUTH and LIFE.....

But I digress...

I am interested in hearing what verse calls Torah the way the truth and the life. Please share.

If Torah were the way to life, than that would mean God sent His Son for nothing. Just to nail Him to a cross to suffer. So I would like to hear how the Torah has replaced any need for a Messiah.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Circumcision is the sign of becoming or being a male Jew.

Keeping G-d's commandments are THE TORAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So then who has Torah saved that was dead in sin?

And if Torah lead to life then why was the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood needed to atone temporarily for sin?

This makes no sense to me.

The Israelite's themselves atoned temporarily for sin for a reason? or not?

 

[Thursday]

Circumcision is the sign of becoming or being a male Jew.

Keeping G-d's commandments are THE TORAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying that circumcision is not part of the Torah?

 

[BukiRob]

No need. All have been made alive in Christ. Now we choose to follow his will or to reject it. What do you choose?

We are told in Jerimiah that with this fleshy heart that G-d Wil write upon it his LAW and as well in our minds.

You apparently sever a god who changes. The G-d of the Bible says that he does not change.

mal 3:6 "For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Hew 13:8 Yeshua HaMeshiach is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

[Strivax]

Its either ALL the Word or NONE OF IT IS.

This is a travesty. One can perfectly sensibly prefer the Gospels to the rest of New Testament commentary, and the New Testament to the Old Testament. The whole of Christianity is based on such preferences, or we would all still be orthodox Jews.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Thursday]

so hitler was alive in Christ?

All have been made alive in Christ. Now what will you choose?

1 Cor 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

 

[BukiRob]

So then who has Torah saved that was dead in sin?

And if Torah lead to life then why was the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood needed to atone temporarily for sin?

This makes no sense to me.

The Israelite's themselves atoned temporarily for sin for a reason? or not?

Nope. Blood covers sin. Man is INCAPABLE of being blameless before the Torah. Yeshua was NOT born by the will of the flesh. HIS father was not a man and as such was not born into sin. As the Son, the only begotten, he was able to walk blameless before the Father in total obedience.

As the Torah (word) become flesh only he could walk uprightly before the Father. His Father asked him to lay down his life for us..... Yeshua himself declared "No greater love is there than you lay down your life for your friends."

The Father gave him another commandment and that was that if he laid down his life, he had the authority to take it back again ( John 10:18 ) "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

You are confusing WHO the Torah is in its complete fullness and what OUR relationship is to it.....

We are UTTERLY incapable of standing righteously from our walk blameless... It is impossible with man.

 

[Thursday]

We are told in Jerimiah that with this fleshy heart that G-d Wil write upon it his LAW and as well in our minds.

You apparently sever a god who changes. The G-d of the Bible says that he does not change.

mal 3:6 "For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Hew 13:8 Yeshua HaMeshiach is the same yesterday and today and forever.

???? What does this have to do with anything.

You are getting desperate.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

All have been made alive in Christ. Now what will you choose?

1 Cor 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

....so hitler was alive in Christ? yes or no?

 

[BukiRob]

This is a travesty. One can perfectly sensibly prefer the Gospels to the rest of New Testament commentary, and the New Testament to the Old Testament. The whole of Christianity is based on such preferences, or we would all still be orthodox Jews.

Best wishes, Strivax.

No. It is not.

Scripture is ALL true or its not worth bothering with....

I do not mean to offend so if I do I apologize but you seem to neither understand Judaism nor Christianity