Happiness in Heaven while Loved Ones Fry in Hell?

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Amazing how the savage, inhumane nature of the punishment is simply ignored as of no real consequence!
Amazing how the hell, no! argument ultimately abandons scripture and deteriorates into a logical fallacy, Appeal to Consequences ( argumentum ad consequentiam ).
 
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All totally irrelevant to the inherent immorality of the idea of God roasting people alive forever.
Your argument is as circular as it is nonsensical. I have outlined reasons which better characterize the dichotomy of the liberty men have to choose salvation or choose damnation which you seem to be rejecting from some illogical compulsion.

As luck would have it though, I don't think that a belief in eternal damnation is an article of faith necessary unto salvation. But I must say that I find casting aspersions upon God's character, while forgivable, to be quite brazen.

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What does that leave-it leaves what is described as the punishment for sin in Genesis as well as in the book of Romans, it leaves death.
Which, again, is a natural consequence of violating God's law. God created His moral law but He did not compel anybody into violating it. This happened not only without His participation but in spite of His warnings. Your objection to this is akin to holding a judge morally responsible for the crimes committed by perpetrators he judges. Apart from being illogical, I find your viewpoint to be dangerously immoral, redefining, as it does, the very meanings of crime, punishment and judgment.
 
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• “Then shall he say … Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned the existing Jewish view of eternal hell. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a fate worse than death or nonexistence. A fate worse than death is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Jesus used the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as death, it would have meant something worse to them.
…..Jesus knew what the Jews, believed about hell. If the Jews were wrong, when Jesus taught about man’s eternal fate, such as eternal punishment, He would have corrected them. Jesus did not correct them, thus their teaching on hell must have been correct.

That's all totally irrelevant since the inherent immorality of roasting human beings alive forever remains unchanged.
Incomprehensible argument the words of Jesus, concerning "eternal punishment," "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, and the worm does not die" etc. are irrelevant in the discussion of the ultimate fate of wicked mankind. Only the sensibilities of the person making the argument are relevant.
 
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Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Hell exists. It's an eternal punishment for the wicked. You can't twist these two scriptures.
 
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Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

@Radrook
Hell exists. It's an eternal punishment for the wicked. You can't twist these two scriptures.

Not all Christians choose to understand those scriptures in the manner you describe. I am one of those who doesn't accept your interpretations of those scriptures because they make God out to be capable of roasting humans alive forever. That requires that we accept and agree to that type of punishment which is something repulsive if attempted by humans towards other humans. We see absolutely no reason to view that punishment as any less repulsive simply because it you choose say that it is inflicted by a god, gods, goddesses, or a God. It remains the same for us-totally morally unacceptable and constitutes a Satanic defamation of God's Holy personality. One has to be very careful what doctrines one accepts.

Eugene Robinson: No debate: Torture is immoral, illegal, evil

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Why are you posting my profile link?
 
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Amazing how the hell, no! argument ultimately abandons scripture and deteriorates into a logical fallacy, Appeal to Consequences ( argumentum ad consequentiam ).
Would you place your child's hand in the fire for disobedience? If you would not then why do you accuse God as planning to do something a million times worse?

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I am NOT abandoning scripture. I simply don't accept YOUR interpretation of scripture which involves a sadistic portrayal of our heavenly Father.
 
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Your argument is as circular as it is nonsensical. I have outlined reasons which better characterize the dichotomy of the liberty men have to choose salvation or choose damnation which you seem to be rejecting from some illogical compulsion.

As luck would have it though, I don't think that a belief in eternal damnation is an article of faith necessary unto salvation. But I must say that I find casting aspersions upon God's character, while forgivable, to be quite brazen.

Which, again, is a natural consequence of violating God's law. God created His moral law but He did not compel anybody into violating it. This happened not only without His participation but in spite of His warnings. Your objection to this is akin to holding a judge morally responsible for the crimes committed by perpetrators he judges. Apart from being illogical, I find your viewpoint to be dangerously immoral, redefining, as it does, the very meanings of crime, punishment and judgment.

The choice being discussed isn't choosing between good and evil. It is between choosing to view God as capable of roasting humans alive forever as if he were criminally insane or viewing him as incapable of that horrendous deed. Nonsensical? Actually, what is definitely ridiculously nonsensical is describing an entity as roasting people alive forever and simultaneously choosing to tag that entity holy, righteous and good. It is also, IMHO, defamatory propaganda cunningly propagated by his enemy.
 
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Not all Christians choose to understand those scriptures in the manner you describe. I am one of those who doesn't accept your interpretations of those scriptures because they make God out to be capable of roasting humans alive forever. That requires that we accept and agree to that type of punishment which is something repulsive if attempted by humans towards other humans. We see absolutely no reason to view that punishment as any less repulsive simply because it you choose say that it is inflicted by a god, gods, goddesses, or a God. It remains the same for us-totally morally unacceptable and constitutes a Satanic defamation of God's Holy personality. One has to be very careful what doctrines one accepts.

Eugene Robinson: No debate: Torture is immoral, illegal, evil

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Why are you posting my profile link?
So what's your argument against those scriptures then?

Instead of just saying how evil of a punishment it is and how it can't be, how do you refute those scriptures I posted? Those exact ones.

And if you type @ whatever person, it tags a person in a post to get their attention and show up in a feed that they're tagged.
 
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Would you place your child's hand in the fire for disobedience? If you would not then why do you accuse God as planning to do something a million times worse?
What I, or you, would do to a disobedient child is irrelevant. For my view on hell I quote the words of Jesus which OBTW you have ignored above. Jesus never said that all men would be saved no matter what. Jesus did say,
• “Then shall he say … Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die,Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
Perhaps you can explain to me why Jesus did not mean exactly what He said in these verses? If all mankind is going to be saved no matter why did Jesus speak about a punishment worse than death, twice?
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.Matthew 18:6
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Matthew 26:24
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I am NOT abandoning scripture. I simply don't accept YOUR interpretation of scripture which involves a sadistic portrayal of our heavenly Father.
The post that I quoted did not cite any scripture. Did or did not God in the OT destroy Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains with fire including men, women, children, infants, young and old? Did not God in the OT command Israel to go into Canaanite cities and kill every living thing, men, women, children, infants, young and old? Some would consider both of those events "a sadistic portrayal of our heavenly Father."
 
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Amazing how the savage, inhumane nature of the punishment is simply ignored as of no real consequence!

I am Yehowah, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.
there is no God besides me.
I am Yehowah, and there is no other God.
I form the light,
and create darkness.
I make peace,
and create calamity.
I am Yehowah,
who does all these things.
Woe to him who strives with his Maker-
a clay pot among the clay pots of the earth!
Shall the clay ask him who fashions it, ‘What are you making?’
or your work, ‘He has no hands?’
Indeed, O man, who are you to talk back to God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?”
Does not the potter have the right to form out of the same lump of clay a pot for honor, and a pot for dishonor? (Isaiah 45:5-7, 9; Romans 9:20-21)

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31).

We are not ignorant of the terror of God. It's why many of us seek to persuade others to come to God.
 
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So what's your argument against those scriptures then?
For me, multiple bibles which have been accepted as scholarly works for many years, is a significant argument. Another argument is the study of words like "tormented" in other scriptures where the same word is used for the disciples "toiling" at the oars. Falls pretty short of something much worse than an Eternal Auschwitz, that's for sure.

Instead of just saying how evil of a punishment it is and how it can't be, how do you refute those scriptures I posted? Those exact ones.
Young's Literal Translation;
REV 14:11 and the smoke of their torment doth go up to ages of ages; and they have no rest day and night, who are bowing before the beast and his image, also if any doth receive the mark of his name.
REV 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where {are} the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night - to the ages of the ages.


I personally also refute these particular scriptures based upon the book they come from. You interpret them based upon the Futuristic interpretation of the book. Scholars offer four. They are Preterism, Futurism, Historism, Symbolism. They are each briefly discussed in my Spiros Zodhiates Study Bible. But it's at home and I'm at the office.

And if you type @ whatever person, it tags a person in a post to get their attention and show up in a feed that they're tagged.
This is new to me. So, it 'tags'' you to show up in what 'feed' and for what purpose?
 
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Did or did not God in the OT destroy Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains with fire including men, women, children, infants, young and old? Did not God in the OT command Israel to go into Canaanite cities and kill every living thing, men, women, children, infants, young and old? Some would consider both of those events "a sadistic portrayal of our heavenly Father."

Most folks, if asked, would probably opine that the evil, wicked people of Sodom and the surrounding towns (and they were evil & wicked) went to Hell after their execution by fire and sulphur. However, God's report is more nuanced:

"'However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them..." -Ezekiel 16:53, NIV

Sodom was wiped out, so to have daughters + the restoration of fortune, it would require resurrection and God's favor. Truly, God, just as He says, kills and makes alive, and His works with us are far from done.
 
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I am Yehowah, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.
there is no God besides me.
I am Yehowah, and there is no other God.
I form the light,
and create darkness.
I make peace,
and create calamity.
I am Yehowah,
who does all these things.
Woe to him who strives with his Maker-
a clay pot among the clay pots of the earth!
Shall the clay ask him who fashions it, ‘What are you making?’
or your work, ‘He has no hands?’
Indeed, O man, who are you to talk back to God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?”
Does not the potter have the right to form out of the same lump of clay a pot for honor, and a pot for dishonor? (Isaiah 45:5-7, 9; Romans 9:20-21)

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31).

We are not ignorant of the terror of God. It's why many of us seek to persuade others to come to God.

So you think God wants obedience via terrifying people with the threat of roasting them alive forever? You admire and worship such an entity? How very sad indeed!
 
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So you think God wants obedience via terrifying people with the threat of roasting them alive forever? You admire and worship such an entity? How very sad indeed!

It is a very good thing to fear Yehowah: He is a righteous and Holy God. The guilty should very much fear the judge! Yes, He is loving, kind, gracious, compassionate, forgiving, and merciful, but He is Holy, righteous, just, and good. Because He is Holy, He will not tolerate sin; Sin is all that is evil. He is good, and He will punish evil; He will punish the guilty.

Those who do wrong on earth against men without knowing that what they are doing is wrong still receive a punishment from men. How much more so will those who know that they are sinning against God receive a just punishment! Should God forgive a murderer? Should He forgive the thieves? They are committing evil, why should they be forgiven? They are guilty and deserve the punishment for their evil.

But God, being loving, kind, gracious, compassionate, forgiving, and merciful, provided a way out. Yet still, with knowledge of all this, men still continue in their rebellion. That is a crime of crimes against the God of gods. You rob God of the glory that only He is worthy of; mankind exists only to glorify God. And to come to Him for grace unto eternal life through faith and repentance is to glorify Him. We are all criminals, God is the judge. Should the criminals on earth who commit crimes on earth be acquitted for their atrocities on earth? Why then, should God acquit the guilty? And all are guilty. As I will pearl string,

"There is not a righteous man on earth,
Who always does good and doesn't sin.
All have sinned,
and fall short of the glory of God.
They are corrupt.
These fools they say in their heart,
'There is no God.'
They have done abominable deeds.
There is no one who does good.
Yehowah looked down from heaven on the children of men,
to see if there were any who understood,
who sought after God.
They have all gone aside.
They have together become corrupt.
They have become filthy together.
There is no one who does good, no, not one."

Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, Psalm 14:1-3, Psalm 52:1-3,


God says He will punish the guilty,

"Yehowah passed by before him, and proclaimed, "Yehowah, Yehowah, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness and truth, keeping loving kindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and disobedience and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the children's children, on the third and on the fourth generation" (Exodus 34:6-7).

And as said before, He will not tolerate evil,

"Yehowah is not a God who has pleasure in wickedness.
Evil can’t live with Him.
The arrogant shall not stand in His sight.
He hates all workers of iniquity.
He will destroy those who speak lies.1Yehowah abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Psalm 5:4-6).

Those who persist in rebellion do so knowingly and, thus, their sin is even more sinful. They are not innocent, but guilty.

For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, so that they are without excuse: Because though they knew God, they glorified Him not, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools: they changed the glory of the incorruptible God for themselves. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the created more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For even women changed the natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not right; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventers of evil, disobedient, Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who, knowing the judgment of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:20-32

Those who do evil will reap evil for themselves: eternal condemnation; those who do good reap good for themselves. "He who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life" (Galatians 6:7-8).


You admire and worship such an entity? How very sad indeed!

So you would rather admire and worship and entity that would allow and condone evil? Which is sadder, admiring and worshipping a good God or admiring and worshipping an evil God?
 
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It is a very good thing to fear Yehowah: He is a righteous and Holy God. The guilty should very much fear the judge! Yes, He is loving, kind, gracious, compassionate, forgiving, and merciful, but He is Holy, righteous, just, and good. Because He is Holy, He will not tolerate sin; Sin is all that is evil. He is good, and He will punish evil; He will punish the guilty.

Those who do wrong on earth against men without knowing that what they are doing is wrong still receive a punishment from men. How much more so will those who know that they are sinning against God receive a just punishment! Should God forgive a murderer? Should He forgive the thieves? They are committing evil, why should they be forgiven? They are guilty and deserve the punishment for their evil.

But God, being loving, kind, gracious, compassionate, forgiving, and merciful, provided a way out. Yet still, with knowledge of all this, men still continue in their rebellion. That is a crime of crimes against the God of gods. You rob God of the glory that only He is worthy of; mankind exists only to glorify God. And to come to Him for grace unto eternal life through faith and repentance is to glorify Him. We are all criminals, God is the judge. Should the criminals on earth who commit crimes on earth be acquitted for their atrocities on earth? Why then, should God acquit the guilty? And all are guilty. As I will pearl string,

"There is not a righteous man on earth,
Who always does good and doesn't sin.
All have sinned,
and fall short of the glory of God.
They are corrupt.
These fools they say in their heart,
'There is no God.'
They have done abominable deeds.
There is no one who does good.
Yehowah looked down from heaven on the children of men,
to see if there were any who understood,
who sought after God.
They have all gone aside.
They have together become corrupt.
They have become filthy together.
There is no one who does good, no, not one."

Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, Psalm 14:1-3, Psalm 52:1-3,


God says He will punish the guilty,

"Yehowah passed by before him, and proclaimed, "Yehowah, Yehowah, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness and truth, keeping loving kindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and disobedience and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the children's children, on the third and on the fourth generation" (Exodus 34:6-7).

And as said before, He will not tolerate evil,

"Yehowah is not a God who has pleasure in wickedness.
Evil can’t live with Him.
The arrogant shall not stand in His sight.
He hates all workers of iniquity.
He will destroy those who speak lies.1Yehowah abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man" (Psalm 5:4-6).

Those who persist in rebellion do so knowingly and, thus, their sin is even more sinful. They are not innocent, but guilty.

For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, so that they are without excuse: Because though they knew God, they glorified Him not, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools: they changed the glory of the incorruptible God for themselves. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the created more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For even women changed the natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not right; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventers of evil, disobedient, Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who, knowing the judgment of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:20-32

Those who do evil will reap evil for themselves: eternal condemnation; those who do good reap good for themselves. "He who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life" (Galatians 6:7-8).




So you would rather admire and worship and entity that would allow and condone evil? Which is sadder, admiring and worshipping a good God or admiring and worshipping an evil God?


To me the entity you are describing as roasting humans alive forever has no right to be telling others to desist from evil.
 
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To me the entity you are describing as roasting humans alive forever has no right to be telling others to desist from evil.
The same logical fallacy argument over and over. The logical fallacy of prejudicial language.
 
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The same logical fallacy argument over and over. The logical fallacy of prejudicial language.
Not at all. Torture is condemned as a crime and anyone committing it as a criminal. Describing a being who roasts people alive forever as holy and just is an immoral justification of sadistic, maniacal criminal behavior.
 
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Not at all. Torture is condemned as a crime and anyone committing it as a criminal. Describing a being who roasts people alive forever as holy and just is an immoral justification of sadistic, maniacal criminal behavior.

I note that even though God said Himself that such a thing (roasting people alive) had never entered His mind, or been commanded by Him (Jeremiah 32:35), the Damnationists keep insisting that He does it Himself. Logical fallacy, indeed.
 
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Are there any verses in the Holy Scriptures which say exactly:

There is No Hell.

Or.

There is No Abyss.

Or.

There is No Netherworld.

???

We know God is Creator, right?

So what if God in His Infinite Justice wanted to create a place to manifest His Wrath and Anger at the Wicked who Despised Him?

Does He have the Power or Right to create such a place?

Could anyone stop Him from creating Hell?

Is it Immoral to create such a place for the Wicked if God shows Everyone How to avoid coming to this place?

Everybody has access to the Rule Book, the Holy Scriptures.

You break the Rules and you end up in Hell, whose fault is it?

God for creating Hell or you for breaking the Rules?

Let's say you believe it's God's fault for creating Hell and you wish to take the matter up with Him claiming God is Immoral for creating Hell and roasting you alive there.

Definition of Immoral

immoral
ɪˈmɒr(ə)l/
adjective
  1. not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
    "unseemly and immoral behaviour"
    synonyms: unethical, bad, morally wrong, wrongful, wicked, evil, unprincipled, unscrupulous, dishonourable, dishonest, unconscionable, iniquitous, disreputable, fraudulent, corrupt, depraved, vile, villainous, nefarious, base, unfair, underhand, devious;
    sinful, impure, unchaste, unvirtuous, shameless, degenerate, debauched, abandoned, dissolute, reprobate, perverted, indecent, lewd, licentious, wanton, bawdy, lustful, promiscuous, whorish;
    informal shady, low-down;
    informal dodgy, crooked, not cricket;
    archaic miscreant
    "they deplored immoral behaviour among the upper classes"

I'm thinking here that God would most likely not want to listen to an Immoral person teaching Him about Morality.

Come on, is God really Immoral for Creating Hell?

I think He is actually Infinitely Just for Creating Hell.


Definition of Just

just
dʒʌst/
adjective
  1. 1.
    based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
    "a just and democratic society"
    synonyms: fair, fair-minded, equitable, even-handed, impartial, unbiased, objective, neutral, disinterested, unprejudiced, open-minded, non-partisan, non-discriminatory, anti-discrimination;
    honourable, upright, upstanding, decent, honest, righteous, ethical, moral, virtuous, principled, full of integrity, good, right-minded, straight, reasonable, scrupulous, trustworthy, incorruptible, truthful, sincere;
    informalsquare
    "a just and democratic society"

I Praise God Almighty for Creating Hell to send All the Wicked to get what they deserve there.

If I am a Wicked person, I should be sent to Hell.

Praise be to God for His Infinite Justice.

You are Infinitely Just, O'Lord!


God bless you.
 
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Peace be with you.

Are there any verses in the Holy Scriptures which say exactly:

There is No Hell.

Or.

There is No Abyss.

Or.

There is No Netherworld.

???

We know God is Creator, right?

So what if God in His Infinite Justice wanted to create a place to manifest His Wrath and Anger at the Wicked who Despised Him?

Does He have the Power or Right to create such a place?

Could anyone stop Him from creating Hell?

Is it Immoral to create such a place for the Wicked if God shows Everyone How to avoid coming to this place?

Everybody has access to the Rule Book, the Holy Scriptures.

You break the Rules and you end up in Hell, whose fault is it?

God for creating Hell or you for breaking the Rules?

Let's say you believe it's God's fault for creating Hell and you wish to take the matter up with Him claiming God is Immoral for creating Hell and roasting you alive there.

Definition of Immoral

immoral
ɪˈmɒr(ə)l/
adjective
  1. not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
    "unseemly and immoral behaviour"
    synonyms: unethical, bad, morally wrong, wrongful, wicked, evil, unprincipled, unscrupulous, dishonourable, dishonest, unconscionable, iniquitous, disreputable, fraudulent, corrupt, depraved, vile, villainous, nefarious, base, unfair, underhand, devious;
    sinful, impure, unchaste, unvirtuous, shameless, degenerate, debauched, abandoned, dissolute, reprobate, perverted, indecent, lewd, licentious, wanton, bawdy, lustful, promiscuous, whorish;
    informal shady, low-down;
    informal dodgy, crooked, not cricket;
    archaic miscreant
    "they deplored immoral behaviour among the upper classes"

I'm thinking here that God would most likely not want to listen to an Immoral person teaching Him about Morality.

Come on, is God really Immoral for Creating Hell?

I think He is actually Infinitely Just for Creating Hell.


Definition of Just

just
dʒʌst/
adjective
  1. 1.
    based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
    "a just and democratic society"
    synonyms: fair, fair-minded, equitable, even-handed, impartial, unbiased, objective, neutral, disinterested, unprejudiced, open-minded, non-partisan, non-discriminatory, anti-discrimination;
    honourable, upright, upstanding, decent, honest, righteous, ethical, moral, virtuous, principled, full of integrity, good, right-minded, straight, reasonable, scrupulous, trustworthy, incorruptible, truthful, sincere;
    informalsquare
    "a just and democratic society"

I Praise God Almighty for Creating Hell to send All the Wicked to get what they deserve there.

If I am a Wicked person, I should be sent to Hell.

Praise be to God for His Infinite Justice.

You are Infinitely Just, O'Lord!


God bless you.

You can define words and quote and misinterpret scripture until you are blue in the face and it would never convince me that an entity that you describe as establishing torturing humans forever via roasting them alive as punishment for exercising their free will is to be admired, imitated and worshipped.

Now if you had suggested that such an abusive a sadistic entity be nuked out of existence-and that the the universe would need to be rid of the abomination that you are describing-then I would have wholeheartedly agreed and please note-I am NOT referring to God since I don't consider God capable of such a crime. Humans? You bet! The Devil? Certainly! But my God? NEVER! So it is this twisted defamatory, character-denigrating concept that I am referring to and nothing more.

BTW
This idea is a million times worse than what Satan accused him of in Eden!


John 8:44 NIV

.... He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 
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