"Racist" posters on the Univ of MD campus

[RDKirk]

The present trend is to raise mixed African American/Anglo American kids as black. Do you have any statistical data that supports the allegation that such a trend is changing towards accepting them as Anglo American whites??

What I said is that Millennial biracial children are not being raised by their white parents to see themselves as black--which is the difference from previous generations.

The concept of "biracial" itself is the evidence of that.

 

[Radrook]

What I said is that Millennial biracial children are not being raised by their white parents to see themselves as black--which is the difference from previous generations.

The concept of "biracial" itself is the evidence of that.

But Biracial still reduces the Anglo American population ability to perpetuate itself and prevent itself from becoming a minority in its own country. Same effect different nomenclature.

 

[archer75]

"In themselves" the images aren't exactly racist. They could refer to specific people who have been targeted. But in the world where we humans live, they are an obvious reference to Nazi imagery and therefore to Nazi practices. One of the best-known Nazi practices is murder of millions of prisoners, largely but not exclusively on the basis of "race", and with the excuse that the victims were a threat to the "white race".

So I think it's pretty clear what the posters are suggesting.

If this was not intended, totally different images would have been used. For example, decade-lapse pictures of any mostly-white Rust Belt town.

 

[Dave-W]

And does the SPLC designate the New Black Panther Party as good guys or bad guys?

Surprisingly, as bad guys.

 

[RDKirk]

I am talking about a significant percentage not all of course. The animosity between Cuban Americans and AAs in Florida and Mexican Americans and AAs in the Southwest is a well-known documented fact. Actually, the animosity also exists in the East coast in such cities as New York. Why you posture as if shocked when hearing of it is really beyond me.

Tensions Mounting Between Blacks and Latinos Nationwide

What you said was: "Latinos are now the primary target of both Anglo and African Americans."

The implication of "the primary target of...African Americans" is not "a significant percentage not all of course."

What you presented was an article about a level of animosity between, primarily, poor blacks and poor Latinos competing for what appears to be a shrinking slice of the American pie.

That's not "primary target of African Americans."

 

[RDKirk]

Surprisingly, as bad guys.

Only surprising for someone who thinks the center is looking only at race and not at actions.

 

[Radrook]

What you said was: "Latinos are now the primary target of both Anglo and African Americans."

The implication of "the primary target of...African Americans" is not "a significant percentage not all of course."

What you presented was an article about a level of animosity between, primarily, poor blacks and poor Latinos competing for what appears to be a shrinking slice of the American pie.

That's not "primary target of African Americans."

Most African Americans and Latinos are not Middle class.
So the percentage is indeed significant.

True, I should have numerically qualified my original statement in order to avoid an overgeneralization. My apologies. However, what you are denying exists to a significant degree is indeed a reality.

 

[Dave-W]

Only surprising for someone who thinks the center is looking only at race and not at actions.

They count the Catholic Church and all evangelical churches as terrorist organizations. (nothing to do with race) IOW, the seem to be AGAINST anything that holds to the status quo, and FOR anything that upsets it.

 

[RDKirk]

Most African Americans and Latinos are not Middle class.
So the percentage is indeed significant.

True, I should have numerically qualified my original statement in order to avoid an overgeneralization. My apologies. However, what you are denying is becoming typical.

But you also missed what was going on here:

Nicolás Vaca devoted an entire chapter of his book to the 2001 mayoral race in Los Angeles, which pitted James Hahn, son of a well-known white politician who had very strong ties to the black community, against Antonio Villaraigosa, who was a relative newcomer. Hahn boasted endorsements from Earvin "Magic" Johnson, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and other important black figures — along with the support of the much more conservative white business community.

Hahn's black support sunk Villaraigosa. Hahn won with 59% of the overall vote — and a remarkable 80% of the votes from the black community.

It was a different story this year. In his first term, Hahn had fired popular Los Angeles Police Chief Bernard Parks, who is black. Many black leaders felt that Hahn had ignored them, and Johnson, Waters and others who supported Hahn the first time around now threw their support to Villaraigosa. For his part, Villaraigosa worked to build up his ties to black voters. Time after time, he stressed that blacks and Latinos had more to gain by working together than against one another.

It worked. On May 17, Villaraigosa became the first Latino mayor of Los Angeles in a century by a 17-point margin. He did it with half the city's black votes.

You have characterized socially induced animosity between blacks and Latinos as though it were open race warfare. It's not...it's the result of economic and political conditions driving them like sheep. And that can be changed.

 

[RDKirk]

They count the Catholic Church and all evangelical churches as terrorist organizations. (nothing to do with race) IOW, the seem to be AGAINST anything that holds to the status quo, and FOR anything that upsets it.

I looked at their lists and did not see the Catholic Church or any other churches on it.

 

[Radrook]

But you also missed what was going on here:



You have characterized socially induced animosity between blacks and Latinos as though it were open race warfare. It's not...it's the result of economic and political conditions driving them like sheep. And that can be changed.

As a victim of black racial hatred violence simply because I was deemed Cuban which I am not, and a death threat on my mother on a public Miami bus for the same reason, I can say that the social causes for the hatred you glibly propose are irrelevant to the damage that it does. The words spoken are openly racist and convey a deep contempt for ethnic and racial origins which mimics the hatred that Anglo Americans usually deployed and still deploy against AAs themselves. It is simply a matter of maliciously imitating what is perceived to hurt and cunningly deploying it upon a chosen target. So sanitizing the deplorable behavior by attributing it to social conditions just doesn't cut morally. Why not instead place the blame where it belongs-on the parents who cunningly propagate that type of hatred by setting an example for their kids to follow and thus instigate the discrimination and racial violence?

 

[Dave-W]

I looked at their lists and did not see the Catholic Church or any other churches on it.

https://www . splcenter . org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/active-hate-groups-united-states-2015#christianidentity

Congratulations to the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute (C-FAM)

SPLC Attacks Protestant Pro-Family Organizaions As Hate Groups

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

https://www . splcenter . org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/active-hate-groups-united-states-2015#christianidentity

Congratulations to the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute (C-FAM)

SPLC Attacks Protestant Pro-Family Organizaions As Hate Groups

Just because an organization has Catholic in the name doesn't mean it's equivalent to the Catholic Church. After all, that's what we're told about WBC, that they aren't representative of, or equivalent to the Baptist Church.

 

[magicaxeman]

A black supremacist is no better than a white supremacist ergo ANY supremacist organisation is bad.

Are the posters overtly racist? not really, they depict children in one and a mother and child in the other, but the organisation and the intent behind the posters is racist.

They are however very reminiscent of the nationalist posters from pre war Germany circa 1930's

Of more concern to Christians should be the waves of muslim immigrants from the middle east and Africa these are a massive problem for Europe.

Those that came to the UK many years ago from countries such as Pakistan etc by and large integrated into the British way of life, many are respected members of their communities, respected and applauded for their success by everyone and many are personal friends of mine.
Those coming over in the last few decades have no real interest in integrating, they live in their own communities and try to apply their own rules and standards (Sharia law) to the areas they live in, here we have seen muslims patrolling the streets in the areas where they live accosting people, telling them "you can't carry alcohol here, you can't hold hands here, you can't dress like that here, you can't smoke here, its a muslim area" even attacking people with physical violence and boy do they know how to use the system to advance their cause! any and I do mean any disagreement with them is met with accusations of racism, any one failing to give them what they want from housing to benefits etc is obviously a racist.
They don't want to integrate, they want to and have created their own muslim enclaves in some of our largest cities where Sharia law supersedes British law as far as they are concerned and they think that Islam is the national religion.

They may be wrong about that last point at present but here are a few simple facts.
The average muslim family will have approx 6 children, the average non muslim family will have 1-2 children.
Do the math with the current figures and projected numbers of immigrants + the birth rate and it doesn't take a degree to work out that within 100 years England at least will have a muslim majority population wise and most likely an islamic government.

We as Christians are tolerant of other religions with freedom of worship very important to us but mark my words muslims are not tolerant of other religions and if you think these muslims who are leading their communities will tolerate Christians when that day comes, well think again. I for one expect to face the supreme test of my faith if I'm still around when they are gaining dominance here.

The great army from the east is already on the move, we are just to wrapped up in politically correct nonsense to recognise it, to afraid of being called racist to say out loud that we are walking into a nightmare, God give us all the strength to face what's coming.

NB - I could actually face arrest for what I have said here as in the UK now the laws as they currently stand mean anything the authorities deem as racism and that means criticism online as well as posts can result in jail time.
There is no freedom of speech here now, you can only speak freely as long as it follows government doctrines or offends no one. If it offends even one person, you face arrest, charge and trial.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

These 2 posters were found last week in a couple of buildings on the Univ of Maryland campus in College Park MD.

Students and faculty alike were in shock and fearful.


White nationalist posters found on University of Maryland buildings

Aside from group noted at the bottom of the posters being a known alt-right white nationalist group, do you find anything overtly (or covertly) racist or threatening in these posters?

You have correctly identified the racist component of those posters.

 

[Marvin Knox]

why has all this come up after trump was elected?

That's one of the shallowest and or unnecessarily inflammatory questions I've seen lately.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Because in the minds of many racists, Trump's pre-election attitude has provided the green light.

Nonsense IMO.

 

[dqhall]

There are all Black fraternities and sororities on campuses. Is this not racism? How could a poster with some White people's faces on it be racist? I do not know the group behind posters without hate messages on them anymore than I know who started "Black Lives Matter," or the violent groups calling for war against the police.

Jesus called the temple in Jerusalem a house of prayer for all nations (Mark 11:17, Isaiah 56:7). Not everyone agreed to it. In the temple there was a warning balustrade that any Gentiles who crossed a line into the temple would risk losing their lives (Josephus). Paul was accused of bringing a Gentile into the inner temple and arrested (Acts 21:26-31). Paul was working towards integrating the Jewish church with the Gentile church and laid down his life for his work.

 

[Unit 11]

Aside from group noted at the bottom of the posters being a known alt-right white nationalist group, do you find anything overtly (or covertly) racist or threatening in these posters?

There's nothing at all provocative or threatening. The posters don't say to attack anyone, and one of them just says defend. I haven't looked at that website yet...

 

[archer75]

They do not "say" to do so, but with the obvious visual connection to Nazi Germany and therefore to the "we are defending ourselves" excuses for mass murder, there is a strong message of "we too can do murder in the name of defense".

Another victim of the Nazis' "self-defense": Maximilian Kolbe - Wikipedia