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Christianity and science .. vs.. junk-science evolutionism

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Your mouth to God's ear. I don't see how anyone can be Catholic and vote for most Democrat politicians. I have no great love for the GOP but you're not risking your soul by voting for most Republican candidates.

This philosophy occasionally puts me at odds with several of my co-religionists, who would have me believe they value "charity" more than human life, but a lot of them need a trip to Confession ASAP.
 
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But I do think of Genesis 1 more as typological theology than any kind of literal, physical history.

How do you test your speculation about the text at that point? Exegesis -- ??? or Eisegesis??

even though the 7 day Sabbath pattern is clearly established from the creation account through the Law, this doesn't mean that the Bible as a whole, especially those portions we identify as being a part of the genre of Prophecy, is or was even meant to be clearly understood.

The gospels begin with the teaching that the prophetic time period of Daniel 7 pointing to the coming of the Messiah was fulfilled - by contrast you have invented out of whole cloth the idea that prophecy was not meant to be understood. .Christ differs with your view at that point.

What is more Exodus 20:11 is legal code -- not fiction, not myth and it states clearly the very doctrine on orgins - the very affirmation of Genesis 1-2 details that blind faith evolutionism cannot tolerate. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

So my question is this - does faith in junk-science evolutionism ever progress along some model other than Bible-detail-avoidance??
 
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I'm not saying that people "need" an outside source; I'm saying that the Bible isn't consistently clear, and thus this is why we have hundreds of various Christian denominations, .

And yet some Bible details are soooooo incredibly clear that not just the Christians - but even the atheist and agnostic professors of OT studies and Hebrew - in all world class universities - can see the easy-to-read obvious Bible details.

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The T.E. argument that the Bible is myth and fables - is denied by NT writers

False doctrine teaches that the Bible is myth in Genesis 1-2
False doctrine teaches that Bible legal code is myth in Ex 20:11
False doctrine teaches that there was no actual Adam and Eve created by God from the dust of the ground - sinless , perfect, adults.

2 Peter 1
16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

1 Tim 1
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

Titus 1
13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

2 Tim 3:16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine"

2 Peter 1:21 " holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit"

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Are you a literal "virgin-birth-ist"?
a literal "bodily resurrection-ist"?
a literal "ascension into heaven-ist"?
a literal "7 day creation-ist"?

or do you say that since none of that is reproduced by tiny mankind - in the lab -- then none of it happened "in real history"?

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2+2 = 4 ... is NOT "a matter of interpretation".

God can say something that is accurate, correct, and understandable - and so with "literal virgin birth" and "literal bodily resurrection of Christ" and "literal bodily ascension of Christ" and "literal 7 day creation week"

In the Bible we have this "legal code" -

Ex 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy - SIX days you shall labor... For in SIX days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2:1-3

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

No such language found in even ONE of evolutionism's 'texts' to state that particular "belief".

As for "the obvious" it is not merely Bible believing Christians that notice it.

Turns out ---

Atheists often don't mind "admitting" to what the Bible says - they simply reject what it says. As in rejecting the virgin birth, the bodily ascension of Christ, the miracles of the bible and in this example they freely admit to what the Bible says - while rejecting it as 'truth'.

Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:

‘Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that: (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience (b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story (c) Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.’
 
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