I am not under the law, am dead to the law, and am delivered from the law...(a question)

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is no such thing as Law for Jew only. The Jews were just one of the 12 tribes of Israel, so the words of God could not have just been directed to one tribe and everyone else has no sort of guideline.

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Such as this rather profound phophetic passage in Deut 28?

Deut 28:
1 And becomes if to listen, thou are listening in voice of YAHWEH thy Elohiym to observe to do all of His instructions which I instructing thee today, then YAHWEH your 'Elohiym gives thee supremacy over all of nations of the land.
15 `And it becomes if not thou are listening in voice of YAHWEH thy Elohiym to observe of and to do of all of instructions of Him and statutes of Him which I am instructing of thee today
then shall come upon thee all of these curses and they overtake thee.
66 "and becomes lives of thee being hung to thee from in front of, and thou art afraid night and day, and not thou be sure in lives of thee.
67 In morning thou sayest 'who shall give evening' and in evening thou shalt say 'who shall give morning'.
From awe of heart of thee which thou shalt fear and from sight of eyes of thee which thou shalt see


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

,,,,,,,,,,At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event............

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground..............


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[Travis93]

Your saying this applies to a believing women, who's not married.

Do you want to take away her right to vote, and make women slaves to their husbands again, where their property.

A believing woman shouldn't be having sex with a man she's not married to, so this situation should never come up. Jesus condemned fornication in Matthew 15:19, Mark 7:21, Revelation 2:14, and Revelation 2:20. Revelation 21:8 and Revelation 22:15 say whoremongers are condemned. James condemns it in Acts 15:20, Acts 15:29, and Acts 21:25. Jude condemns it in Jude 1:7. Even Paul agrees it is wrong in Romans 1:28, 1 Corinthians 6:9-21, 1 Corinthians 7:1-2, 1 Corinthians 10:8, 2 Corinthians 12:21, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3-5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Thessalonians 4:3. Yes, if she does have sex with someone before she getting married, she should marry him, provided her father doesn't reject him, but why would she do this with so many warnings from Jesus and his followers? It's like the laws about restitution for theft (Exodus 22:1-15), if you never steal anything they don't apply to you.

The word of God says nothing about voting rights, you pulled that point out of thin air. Peter supports women being subservient to their husbands.
1 Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1 Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
Your beloved Paul does too.
Colossians 3:8 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[disciple1]

A believing woman shouldn't be having sex with a man she's not married to, so this situation should never come up. Jesus condemned fornication in Matthew 15:19, Mark 7:21, Revelation 2:14, and Revelation 2:20. Revelation 21:8 and Revelation 22:15 say whoremongers are condemned. James condemns it in Acts 15:20, Acts 15:29, and Acts 21:25. Jude condemns it in Jude 1:7. Even Paul agrees it is wrong in Romans 1:28, 1 Corinthians 6:9-21, 1 Corinthians 7:1-2, 1 Corinthians 10:8, 2 Corinthians 12:21, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3-5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Thessalonians 4:3. Yes, if she does have sex with someone before she getting married, she should marry him, provided her father doesn't reject him, but why would she do this with so many warnings from Jesus and his followers? It's like the laws about restitution for theft (Exodus 22:1-15), if you never steal anything they don't apply to you.

The word of God says nothing about voting rights, you pulled that point out of thin air. Peter supports women being subservient to their husbands.
1 Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1 Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
Your beloved Paul does too.
Colossians 3:8 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Travis look at this verse.
Isaiah chapter 16
5 In love a throne will be established;
in faithfulness a man will sit on it—
one from the house[a] of David—
one who in judging seeks justice
and speeds the cause of righteousness.
Your view of God drives people away because you make him sound like a very vengeful and punishing God.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

 

[amadeois]

There is a big difference on how the word is presented.

Will see the difference in a moment.

Galatians 5:14 (KJV)

"For all the law is fulfilled in ONE WORD, even in this; Though shalt love thy neighbour's as thyself."

One word is different from simple command.

The word used is "logos" = word.

"Even in this" means "to a greater degree" or more so, kind of like here you have an example.

Paul was referring to the word LOVE.

Jesus gave us 2 commandments:

Love my father and love your neighbour.

I hope this opens up some eyes.

We need to check those little details that get changed to deceive you. The Devil is the Master of Deception so beware of his fiery darts.

 

[amadeois]

Travis you do not need to answer to disciple1. I reviewed the passage and I found out the difference.

 

[disciple1]

There is a big difference on how the word is presented.

Will see the difference in a moment.

Galatians 5:14 (KJV)

"For all the law is fulfilled in ONE WORD, even in this; Though shalt love thy neighbour's as thyself."

One word is different from simple command.

The word used is "logos" = word.

"Even in this" means "to a greater degree" or more so, kind of like here you have an example.

Paul was referring to the word LOVE.

Jesus gave us 2 commandments:

Love my father and love your neighbour.

I hope this opens up some eyes.

We need to check those little details that get changed to deceive you. The Devil is the Master of Deception so beware of his fiery darts.

How about this.
Romans chapter 11


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
How do you see this, that says everyone will be saved, the ones who try to obey the law and don't have done nothing, those who say it's only faith have done nothing, the ones who say it's all love, they would have done it anyway.

 

[amadeois]

command = G1781 = en tell

NOT LOGOS.

 

[amadeois]

Galatians 3:22

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by FAITH of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE."

We are all sinners, but if you believe in Jesus you accept His gift of salvation, redemption.

 

[disciple1]

Galatians 3:22

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by FAITH of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE."

We are all sinners, but if you believe in Jesus you accept His gift of salvation, redemption.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
And faith without deeds is nothing.
And faith without love is nothing.
If faith doesn't express itself in love it's worthless, but I'm not even sure if that by itself saves us it's all grace, if your faith expresses itself in love, you were chosen for that before the world began.

 

[amadeois]

Love, you need to love Jesus.

But to love Him, you need to know Him. To be His best friend.

Including all the details.

 

[amadeois]

My bible says:

"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availed any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worked by love."

You have to accept the gift. You have to make a decision. Is you love Him, you will accept the gift.

If you decide not to accept it then suffer the consequences.

 

[Travis93]

Travis look at this verse.
Isaiah chapter 16
5 In love a throne will be established;
in faithfulness a man will sit on it—
one from the house[a] of David—
one who in judging seeks justice
and speeds the cause of righteousness.
Your view of God drives people away because you make him sound like a very vengeful and punishing God.

I see, you're one of the "God is love" types. Well I'm here to tell you God is most certainly vengeful and punishing. From the same book:
Isaiah 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Isaiah 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Isaiah 8:9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.
Isaiah 9:17-21 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm: Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isaiah 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
Isaiah 66:15-17 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Here's one specifically about Jesus.
Isaiah 11:1-4 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

I could go on, but I'd fill up the page will examples of God's wrath.

 

[disciple1]

Love, you need to love Jesus.

But to love Him, you need to know Him. To be His best friend.

Including all the details.

This is how you love Jesus.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[disciple1]

I see, you're one of the "God is love" types. Well I'm here to tell you God is most certainly vengeful and punishing. From the same book:
Isaiah 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Isaiah 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Isaiah 8:9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.
Isaiah 9:17-21 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm: Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isaiah 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
Isaiah 66:15-17 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Here's one specifically about Jesus.
Isaiah 11:1-4 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

I could go on, but I'd fill up the page will examples of God's wrath.

Why in 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and verse 16 does it say God is love.

Well I'm here to tell you God is most certainly vengeful and punishing.

 

[amadeois]

Reminder:

Too many say that they love the Lord. If they really love the Lord they would have discovered the error regarding Galatians 5:14 message.

It is not a simple command. The law is fulfilled in ONE WORD.

That word is Love. And Jesus summarized the law in two commands:

1. Love my father,
2. Love your neighbour.

Some say that Jesus never said anything about the sabbath, but He said so much with His actions and with His words.

Somebody is going to ask, show us where it is? If you people know Him and love him it would not be difficult to find them yourselves. So many passages have been shown here but the one shown about "a simple command" was a fraudulent translation totally misleading the one that dies not check the original word.

They do not understand also the correct words of what means "even in this."

To a greater degree, Jesus loves His Father and His commandments. He is God in the flesh.

God rested from His job of creation on the Sabbath day.

Jesus rested from His job of redemption on the Sabbath day.

To them, the Sabbath is very important.

Created for man, not only for the jew.

 

[Travis93]

Reminder:

Too many say that they love the Lord. If they really love the Lord they would have discovered the error regarding Galatians 5:14 message.

It is not a simple command. The law is fulfilled in ONE WORD.

That word is Love. And Jesus summarized the law in two commands:

1. Love my father,
2. Love your neighbour.

Some say that Jesus never said anything about the sabbath, but He said so much with His actions and with His words.

Somebody is going to ask, show us where it is? If you people know Him and love him it would not be difficult to find them yourselves. So many passages have been shown here but the one shown about "a simple command" was a fraudulent translation totally misleading the one that dies not check the original word.

They do not understand also the correct words of what means "even in this."

To a greater degree, Jesus loves His Father and His commandments. He is God in the flesh.

God rested from His job of creation on the Sabbath day.

Jesus rested from His job of redemption on the Sabbath day.

To them, the Sabbath is very important.

Created for man, not only for the jew.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

 

[amadeois]

The summary:

KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.

ALL OF THEM.

 

[amadeois]

Fear God does not mean to be afraid but to REVERE Him.

To pay respect to Him by obeying His Commandments.

He is our creator. He can love you and H e can destroy you.

IT IS YOUR DECISION.

I hope you make the correct one.

 

[Travis93]

Why in 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and verse 16 does it say God is love.

God only loves those who love him, not everyone.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deuteronomy 7:10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus also hates people in rebellion to God.
Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Even the writer of Hebrews knows this.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Tell me, if God loves everyone, why is he going to do this?
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:11 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Travis93]

Fear God does not mean to be afraid but to REVERE Him.

To pay respect to Him by obeying His Commandments.

He is our creator. He can love you and H e can destroy you.

IT IS YOUR DECISION.

I hope you make the correct one.

I don't know about that, I think being afraid of God is a very useful tool to avoid sin.
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Once I realized the "faith alone" easy believism idea was bogus and took this seriously I immediately quit looking at women altogether out of fear of hell.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.