The brain is not sufficient for consciousness

[miknik5]

I have. Is there any evidence this isn't just a story?

Well by the time the "evidence" is made manifest, that will be the evidence and it might be too late for those who did not have a love of the TRUTH.

Read 2Thesselonians 2 which of course hasn't yet happened, therefore there is no evidence other than this...GOD by HIS WORD has revealed through lower signs and representations HIS PLAN from the beginning...

and all prophecy pointed to CHRIST...who is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY.
Daniel is still resting and what Daniel witnessed is really for the time of the end.

Therefore, one will have to wait and see...

 

[miknik5]

You asked. I gave some reasonable answers.

Of course they are suggestions: what on Earth did you expect?

The TRUTH I guess?
And that no man was there from the beginning so what he bases his "evidence" on is what he has seen...and he can only reach a theory based on what is given and present in the here and now environment which he tries to study and make sense of...by those things that are here and are given...

All it really is, is backing into what is given until one comes to a standstill because he really can't go to the original beginning before anything created was created...

Do you call that GOD of the gaps?


We just call that GOD

 

[miknik5]

It's not logical to assume something without evidence. And "I can't think of another way this could be, so... god" isn't evidence.

See "logic"...

Well then we can read and believe the TRUTH as TRUTH spoken in 1Corinthians 1:18 through 31?

 

[miknik5]

I don't have any evidence that it's possible that a god exists, so until that's shown to me, why would I assume a god is a possible reason for consciousness?

Because when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, all things that held will no longer hold

And that includes the mind...

But please, do NOT be confused in believing that GOD is doing this...HE isn't...HE simply removed HIS "HEDGE OF PROTECTION" temporarily and satan during this time will have full reign.

You see, when Job went through his season of suffering (just like Nebuchadnezzer) GOD in HIS unfathomable Wisdom and Grace provided a visible sign in service to the generation who will enter into the time of tribulation...who will understand that all along, GOD by even HIS EVERYDAY GRACE upon ALL men (believer and unbeliever alike) held back from us what would have completely consumed us.

But when HE lets go, (temporarily) and satan has full reign...all those long held "truths" will no longer hold...

Sorry.

 

[pgp_protector]

Using the word "possible" in that way is empty. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Let's say that one is suggesting "possibilities" to a question that has an answer that is currently unknown. Let's say that the question is: who will win the next Presidential race? Here are the "possibilities":

1) Donald Trump
2) Hillary Clinton
3) Gary Johnson
4) A table that is shaped like a square circle

The fourth "possibility" is a contradiction, and is therefore an impossibility. It doesn't become a possibility just because it happens to be included in a list of "possibilities".

That's just one sort of issue. The point is that ignorance does not verify that your "possibilities" are actually possible in reality.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I give you a Square Circle

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Well by the time the "evidence" is made manifest, that will be the evidence and it might be too late for those who did not have a love of the TRUTH.

Read 2Thesselonians 2 which of course hasn't yet happened, therefore there is no evidence other than this...GOD by HIS WORD has revealed through lower signs and representations HIS PLAN from the beginning...

and all prophecy pointed to CHRIST...who is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY.
Daniel is still resting and what Daniel witnessed is really for the time of the end.

Therefore, one will have to wait and see...

So you don't have any evidence the story is true.

Ok.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

See "logic"...

Well then we can read and believe the TRUTH as TRUTH spoken in 1Corinthians 1:18 through 31?

Once again, it's not logical to believe something without evidence.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Because when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way, all things that held will no longer hold

And that includes the mind...

But please, do NOT be confused in believing that GOD is doing this...HE isn't...HE simply removed HIS "HEDGE OF PROTECTION" temporarily and satan during this time will have full reign.

You see, when Job went through his season of suffering (just like Nebuchadnezzer) GOD in HIS unfathomable Wisdom and Grace provided a visible sign in service to the generation who will enter into the time of tribulation...who will understand that all along, GOD by even HIS EVERYDAY GRACE upon ALL men (believer and unbeliever alike) held back from us what would have completely consumed us.

But when HE lets go, (temporarily) and satan has full reign...all those long held "truths" will no longer hold...

Sorry.

None of this actually addresses what I posted:

"I don't have any evidence that it's possible that a god exists, so until that's shown to me, why would I assume a god is a possible reason for consciousness?"

It seems as though you're just proselytizing. Which is kind of against the guidelines of this particular forum.

 

[miknik5]

I give you a Square Circle

Saint Augustine said:
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

Well, I don't WANT to give you my experience on the topic...

And with regards to knowing the WORD of GOD...yes, I know it...in addition to the experience...which I will NOT discuss...

Suffice it to say, that this topic is something that yes, I do have some firsthand experience and understanding of

 

[miknik5]

None of this actually addresses what I posted:

"I don't have any evidence that it's possible that a god exists, so until that's shown to me, why would I assume a god is a possible reason for consciousness?"

It seems as though you're just proselytizing. Which is kind of against the guidelines of this particular forum.

I thought this forum said Christians (only)?
Am I mistaken?

I will have to toggle backwards and reread...

 

[miknik5]

Oh! You're right a Christian Website has a subforum within itself and there is no indication that this category listed under "discussion and debate" is restricted only to Christians.

However, it does not say that Christians are not allowed to enter into the "discussion and debate".

What should I do?
I guess I should leave if I am not welcome here.

Let me know.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Oh! You're right a Christian Website has a subforum within itself and there is no indication that this category listed under "discussion and debate" is restricted only to Christians.

However, it does not say that Christians are not allowed to enter into the "discussion and debate".

What should I do?
I guess I should leave if I am not welcome here.

Let me know.

You're absolutely, completely welcome here.

However, the topic is Philosophy. Proselytizing doesn't work at all on the non-theists anyway, and is kind of against the spirit of the forum.

But do stay if you wish to discuss Philosophy.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Therefore, one will have to wait and see...

hmmmm..... not if they get CABLE TV ! .......... hee hee hee

 

[Larniavc]

The TRUTH I guess?
And that no man was there from the beginning so what he bases his "evidence" on is what he has seen...and he can only reach a theory based on what is given and present in the here and now environment which he tries to study and make sense of...by those things that are here and are given...

All it really is, is backing into what is given until one comes to a standstill because he really can't go to the original beginning before anything created was created...

Do you call that GOD of the gaps?


We just call that GOD

I call that gibberish. What are you talking about?

 

[paul becke]

Not very diligent in their research were "they", Ana the 1st ? What do you think I pointed you in the direction of, if not research ?!?

Your post suggests to me that you are desperate to find a reason to not believe. And this, in the teeth of evidence of a whole, possibly-infinite area we can never know, at least this side of eternity ; which evidence, in any case, is overwhelming, even in physics, which now has discovered the source of particles is non-local, i.e. outside of our space-time universe. Which figures, given Big Bang and the unknowability of the Singularity.

 

[paul becke]

To whoever suggested we are struggling to disprove evolution really can know next to nothing about the subject of evolution (not as mere changes ; everything changes.) It's not even science. A layman's prima facie consideration of the lack of evidence of evolution suffices ; There is simply NO evidence FOR evolution. Pardon me, now, but I'm not going to spoon-feed you yet again. Just consult 'uncommondescent.com' and keep up with it. The Cambrian explosion alone disproves evolution !

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The Cambrian explosion alone disproves evolution !

Wow, any scientist that could "disprove evolution" would be guaranteed a Nobel prize.

I'll expect to hear about the prize winning research next year...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Saint Augustine said:
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

Then again he also wrote that natural science should be taken into account when interpreting, for example, Genesis:

Spoiler

Augustine’s commentary on Genesis seeks to find the “literal” meaning of creation found in the first two chapters of scripture. What Augustine means by literal, however, is a far departure from the common contemporary meaning: while he insists from the very beginning of the first book that his literal approach differs wholly from a figurative one, it is certainly not what would today be called naïvely literal. Augustine seeks to find a “faithful account of what actually happened” in the creation of the world (2002, 168). This account, however, is not simply communicated by the plain words of the text—the length of the commentary alone demonstrates this fact—but with a careful probing of the words given in Genesis and with a clear method of interpretation. Augustine gives a synopsis of his method at the conclusion of the first book. In the effort to uncover “what actually happened,” Augustine writes that general knowledge of nature has to be considered when determining what the passages mean. A proper interpretation of creation in Genesis involves weighing it not only against the tenets of the faith but also against the knowledge of what the wider world shows to be true about nature. Hence a commentary on Genesis, if it is to be “literal” for Augustine, must engage in natural science, and must also be open to a plethora of possible meanings.

from Augustine, Genesis, and Natural Science by Jarrett Carty.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Wow, any scientist that could "disprove evolution" would be guaranteed a Nobel prize.

I'll expect to hear about the prize winning research next year...

You forget, science is one big conspiracy

 

[miknik5]

I call that gibberish. What are you talking about?

The TRUTH.
And of course the ONE who is THE TRUTH and has THE TRUTH...