Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

[EmSw]

Legalism typically applies to a type of church that forces its congregation to abide by a set of laws.

So, is this the legalism of which Paul was speaking?

 

[-57]

So, is this the legalism of which Paul was speaking?

It's not what I was speaking of. Your legalism isn't of Paul but rather of your own.

 

[EmSw]

Sounds like something a OSAS individual would say.

Great, that should be the goal of every believer's life. If one lives according to the words of life from Jesus, he has no reason to count how many of this or that he needs.

 

[EmSw]

It's not what I was speaking of. Your legalism isn't of Paul but rather of your own.

So if I freely choose to obey the commandments of Jesus because I love Him, am I into legalism?

 

[-57]

So if I freely choose to obey the commandments of Jesus because I love Him, am I into legalism?

You turn it into legalsim the moment you believed your salvation depends on how well you keep those commandments.

 

[EmSw]

You turn it into legalsim the moment you believed your salvation depends on how well you keep those commandments.

So who is saved - a man who obeys the commandments of Jesus, or a man who disregards them and does not obey them?

 

[-57]

So who is saved - a man who obeys the commandments of Jesus, or a man who disregards them and does not obey them?

The man "obeying" them in order to merit salvation isn't saved.

The man obeying them as a result of his salvation is saved.

 

[ZacharyB]

You said "Eventually, through your sincere repentance, all of your sinning can be forsaken!"
...where does the bible say this?

1 John 1:
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light,
we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[ZacharyB]

What a crock of nonsense you people are slurping up!
Why don't you just deal with the Scriptures in the OP?
The issue can easily be resolved by doing this ...
... if it's done in a fair and honest manner.

Spiritual Truth is NOT about biases, opinions, feelings,
or the false doctrines of men which deceive many people.

One has to reconcile:
-- the many verses that state OSAS
with
-- the many verses that warn against OSAS.

I have done this.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The man "obeying" them in order to merit salvation isn't saved.

The man obeying them as a result of his salvation is saved.

And you forgot to add that it doesn't really matter if this man obeys God's laws in the Eternal Security belief. For disobedience will be rewarded and obedience will be punished. Evil people go to heaven and good people go to hell.

Also, it is highly unlikely anyone will actually obey God's laws under the belief of Eternal Security. For the OSAS Proponent in my experience is always about putting down the law of God.

How so?

I remember creating a study thread on two different Christian forums. I mentioned nothing of Eternal Security. It was just a study on God's Commands within the New Testament and not the Old Testament. The appearance of this two threads had sent certain Eternal Security Proponents into an uproar.


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[Circle Christ]

Salvation in Christ is not temporary, it is eternal.
John 3:15 - 18

Be forewarned Church. A doctrine that teaches against Salvation is what?

 

[Circle Christ]

If you can't work to achieve God's Grace how can you work to lose God's Grace and Eternal Life?

 

[Circle Christ]

What a crock of nonsense you people are slurping up!
Why don't you just deal with the Scriptures in the OP?
The issue can easily be resolved by doing this ...
... if it's done in a fair and honest manner.

Spiritual Truth is NOT about biases, opinions, feelings,
or the false doctrines of men which deceive many people.

One has to reconcile:
-- the many verses that state OSAS
with
-- the many verses that warn against OSAS.

I have done this.

Anyone who says John 3:15-16 isn't true is a liar. And the truth is not in them. Just as the Bible says.


Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[-57]

And you forgot to add that it doesn't really matter if this man obeys God's laws in the Eternal Security belief. For disobedience will be rewarded and obedience will be punished. Evil people go to heaven and good people go to hell.

Also, it is highly unlikely anyone will actually obey God's laws under the belief of Eternal Security. For the OSAS Proponent in my experience is always about putting down the law of God.

How so?

I remember creating a study thread on two different Christian forums. I mentioned nothing of Eternal Security. It was just a study on God's Commands within the New Testament and not the Old Testament. The appearance of this two threads had sent certain Eternal Security Proponents into an uproar.


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And the snatching from Jesus' hands sends the "losers of salvation" into their own uproar. They try but can't get by the contradiction that kills their false theology.

 

[-57]

And you forgot to add that it doesn't really matter if this man obeys God's laws in the Eternal Security belief.


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I feel sorry for your belief....it's damning....damning because you don't obey all of Gods laws.

 

[Circle Christ]

I feel sorry for your belief....it's damning....damning because you don't obey all of Gods laws.

What does God teach about those who profess their self-righteousness as saving them?

While condemning the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord as the only true Redeemer?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyone who says John 3:15-16 isn't true is a liar. And the truth is not in them. Just as the Bible says.

Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Again, most Conditional Salvationists believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. They believe Jesus saves them both in Justiication and in Sanctification. Not sure how you can think that Conditional Salvationists are denying the Savior in some way when most of them do not teach such a thing. Most of them believe one initially gets right with God thru repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Savior. They also believe that if they were to sin, they can keep their heart right with God thru confessing (1 John 1:9) and forsaking their sin (1 John 1:7) (Also see Proverbs 28:13, Matthew 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:6-10).

As for Jude: Jude 1:4 in the New International Version says these individuals are trying to push a license for immorality. Eternal Security fits this bill waaaaaaay so much more than Conditional Salvationism. If you believe otherwise, please explain it to us slowly.


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[Circle Christ]

I feel sorry for your belief....it's damning....damning because you don't obey all of Gods laws.

It's damning not because of that. But because they are dedicated to teaching the opposite of Jesus ministry. The culmination of which caused him to be the propitiation of our sins. It is Satanic doctrine. Not Godly teachings that reiterate the truth of Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Saul was a false teacher and agent of those whom Jesus called a den of vipers. Was he the only one? Of course not. They're still active today hoping to lead people away from Christ. To disbelieve. To stay in their sins. What did Paul learn? When he was blind but then could see? And was reborn from Saul unto the messenger of Christ?

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

Teachers of blasphemy are an abomination. Do we think we shall reach those who are of the world? And know not Jesus? But who instead minister the doctrine that is literally anti-Christ?

 

[Circle Christ]

And the snatching from Jesus' hands sends the "losers of salvation" into their own uproar. They try but can't get by the contradiction that kills their false theology.

Those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit aren't invested in inciting an uproar by publishing lies about Jesus Christ.

Nor are the Saints responders in like temperament, uproarious , toward those who blaspheme the truth of God in Christ Jesus.

Those who are agents of the lie that Jesus did not actually teach Eternal Salvation and God's Grace does not give us Eternal Security, Life, in him, are known the moment they say, Jesus lied! In any manner they choose to publish the words to that effect.
We know them because Jesus did not call them by name.

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[Circle Christ]

Again, most Conditional Salvationists believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. They believe Jesus saves them both in Justiication and in Sanctification. Not sure how you can think that Conditional Salvationists are denying the Savior in some way when most of them do not teach such a thing. Most of them believe one initially gets right with God thru repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Savior. They also believe that if they were to sin, they can keep their heart right with God thru confessing (1 John 1:9) and forsaking their sin (1 John 1:7) (Also see Proverbs 28:13, Matthew 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:6-10).

As for Jude: Jude 1:4 in the New International Version says these individuals are trying to push a license for immorality. Eternal Security fits this bill waaaaaaay so much more than Conditional Salvationism. If you believe otherwise, please explain it to us slowly.


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I do not read those committed to the mission of blasphemy over and over and over again. Here and elsewhere as they admit.

Instead as Missionary I try to reach the soul that is burdened by their sin.

You have never read Ezekiel 18. I suggest you do.

If self-righteous theology is compelled therefore to argue that those words teach that God takes those whom He has given a new heart and a new spirit and casts them into Hell, as you're attempting to do when you blaspheme the scriptures of God's new covenant of Eternal Salvation, I suggest you take a very sober read of Mark 12:24.

Beware those who call Jesus Christ a liar.
And his sacrifice for naught.
Eternal life, is in the blood of the Lamb. Eternal Salvation the Grace of God who sent his son to fulfill the covenant that is described in John 3:15-16. Those who call Jesus a liar are damned. Be not persuaded to follow if you are a seeker of Christ. Instead keep to the truth of the Savior and let the damned keep their own company in the shade.