In reference to God creating an earth made with apparent age,

[Loudmouth]

No, it cannot because of the reasons I've given.

Because Jesus mentioned Noah and Adam? That isn't a reason at all. If I said that my brother was strong like Paul Bunyan, would you think I was trying to say that Paul Bunyan was a real person?

The original hearers would have understood it as a literal six days.

That is a completely unfounded conclusion.

 

[Hammster]

Because Jesus mentioned Noah and Adam? That isn't a reason at all. If I said that my brother was strong like Paul Bunyan, would you think I was trying to say that Paul Bunyan was a real person?

Except that nobody has ever believed Paul Bunyon to be real.

That is a completely unfounded conclusion.

No it isn't, and I've already explained why.

 

[AV1611VET]

Embedded age shows history.

No it doesn't.

I question whether you even heard of embedded age creation before you came here, and now you're telling me what it teaches?

I don't think so, Tim.

 

[Loudmouth]

Except that nobody has ever believed Paul Bunyon to be real.

No it isn't, and I've already explained why.

Your explanation is completely unfounded. Do you really think that the authors of the Bible would take a Babylonian flood myth that predated Genesis by thousands of years, just change the names of the participants and a few minor details, and then pass it off as an original? Do you really think that the authors of Genesis could completely rename the Babylonian creation gods and put them under one name, and no one would notice?

I think it is more than obvious that the authors of Genesis meant the creation myth to be just that, a myth to help people understand the greater truth they were trying to get across. They were trying to say that we believe in the true God that sit above the Babylonian gods. That's the context.

 

[Loudmouth]

No it doesn't.

The history of radioactive decay in rocks: is that an embedded age or a real history?

 

[AV1611VET]

That is what is called cherry picking.

That's right.

And if there's one thing I like: it's cherry pie.

Mmmmm boy!

 

[AV1611VET]

If I said that my brother was strong like Paul Bunyan, would you think I was trying to say that Paul Bunyan was a real person?

Haven't we discussed this before here and here?

 

[Hammster]

Your explanation is completely unfounded. Do you really think that the authors of the Bible would take a Babylonian flood myth that predated Genesis by thousands of years, just change the names of the participants and a few minor details, and then pass it off as an original? Do you really think that the authors of Genesis could completely rename the Babylonian creation gods and put them under one name, and no one would notice?

I think it is more than obvious that the authors of Genesis meant the creation myth to be just that, a myth to help people understand the greater truth they were trying to get across. They were trying to say that we believe in the true God that sit above the Babylonian gods. That's the context.

This doesn't address my argument. I'm not arguing whether or not the account is true. I was questioning whether the original hearers believed it to be a literal six days based on the scriptures themselves.

 

[Loudmouth]

Haven't we discussed this before here and here?

You lost me at nephilim.

 

[Loudmouth]

This doesn't address my argument. I'm not arguing whether or not the account is true. I was questioning whether the original hearers believed it to be a literal six days based on the scriptures themselves.

And I was giving you the cultural context of Babylon, where Genesis was written. They directly copied the Babylonian myths and incorporated it right into the Genesis creation myth. I am pretty sure that Babylonians were very much aware of what was being done, as were the Hebrew people who grew up with those Babylonian myths.

 

[AV1611VET]

You lost me at nephilim.

Ask PsychoSarah.

She can translate what I say into technofusion.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ask PsychoSarah.

She can translate what I say into technofusion.

You lost my ability to put up with nonsense when you start with giant myths.

 

[Hammster]

And I was giving you the cultural context of Babylon, where Genesis was written. They directly copied the Babylonian myths and incorporated it right into the Genesis creation myth. I am pretty sure that Babylonians were very much aware of what was being done, as were the Hebrew people who grew up with those Babylonian myths.

That's still not relevant to anything I've said.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's still not relevant to anything I've said.

Seriously? The people who first heard Genesis could automatically know that it was just a retelling of the Babylonian myths, and that isn't relevant? How so?

 

[Hammster]

Seriously? The people who first heard Genesis could automatically know that it was just a retelling of the Babylonian myths, and that isn't relevant? How so?

They woukd have heard the Ten Commandments read and known that it was what happened when Genesis was read. This is simple hermeneutics.

 

[Loudmouth]

They woukd have heard the Ten Commandments read and known that it was what happened when Genesis was read. This is simple hermeneutics.

Except that Genesis was written after the supposed Exodus.

 

[Hammster]

Except that Genesis was written after the supposed Exodus.

Exactly. Which is why they would have heard the Ten Commandments before Genesis.

 

[Hoghead1]

You are grasping. When God gave the Ten Commandments, he stated that He created in six days. There was nothing said that indicated that it was a really long time, or there would have been other language used. So the hearers, regardless of what they may have heard before, would have been straightened out when the commandments were read. So when Moses write Genesis, there would be no reason for the Israelites to think otherwise. This is simple hermeneutics. It cannot mean what it never meant.

Not to mention, Jesus speaks of Genesis as literal. So does John, Paul, and Peter. So you may dismiss the Genesis account as allegory, but the writers of the bible sure did not.

Your posts rests on two highly questionable assumptions. One is that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. I seriously doubt that, based on my studies in modern biblical studies. The other is your claim that the Ten Commandments say God created in six days. In the account given in Exod. 20, yes, the "Six days" clause is included. However, in the account given in Deut. 5, that clause is omitted, however. Check your Bible.

 

[Hammster]

Your posts rests on two highly questionable assumptions. One is that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. I seriously doubt that, based on my studies in modern biblical studies. The other is your claim that the Ten Commandments say God created in six days. In the account given in Exod. 20, yes, the "Six days" clause is included. However, in the account given in Deut. 5, that clause is omitted, however. Check your Bible.

Neither of those cause me questions.

 

[RickG]

Since you've discounted the scriptures as reliable, what exactly do you believe about God? It's certainly not informed by scripture.

I didn't discount them, what I did was to state facts.