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Exodus 20:9-11 (Creation)

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The only thing that perished in the flood was common sense and the redactors credibility.

Thus "saith Urantia" (a book that you say contradicts the Bible and supports your condemnation of the Bible) or are you just making stuff up??

Either way - you have come to a Christian message board --- where Urantia is not taken as a good source for condemning the Bible and where you "making stuff up" will only be convincing to 'you'.

I think that you also would agree with this point.
 
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It is true that scientists show via successful nuclear plants and successful atomic bombs that they do indeed understand radioactivity at the nuclear level.


Which just goes to show the vast gap between what CAN be observed - and tested and verified -- vs "stories easy enought to make up but they are not science".
 
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AV1611VET said:
Paul got his doctrine by special revelation of Jesus Christ, Himself, over a three year period in Arabia (Galatians 1).

So he said. I prefer the gospel before the cross rather than a former persecutor of Jesus' disciples who never knew Jesus while he was on the earth. Rather than theoretical salvation, I prefer the "good news" of the original.

Muslims preach that fractured conflicted view of the Bible - Christians don't
 
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141:4.2 In answer to Thomas's question, “Who is this God of the kingdom?” Jesus replied: “God is your Father, and religion —my gospel—is nothing more nor less than the believing recognition of the truth that you are his son. And I am here among you in the flesh to make clear both of these ideas in my life and teachings.”

So then Urantia can just make-stuff-up all day long in contradiction to the Bible - and whatever is "made up" should be accepted - and the Bible be tossed out the window??

Really?

That makes sense??

Were you ever a Christian who believed the Bible prior to picking up Urantia or did you always condemn the Bible -- even before reading stuff like Urantia??
 
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Honest people can see that Jesus and his original apostles taught his original gospel before the cross ever happened.

Your entire statement is only based on thus-saith Urantia -

You could never argue that all Christians have read Urantia.
 
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Yes, contradicition is inevitable with sucsesive revelations. The Bible contradicts itslef to honest observers.

to atheists and agnostics - everything that is truth in the Bible is "bent" into a "contradiction" . That is an old story.
 
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Which just goes to show the vast gap between what CAN be observed - and tested and verified -- vs "stories easy enought to make up but they are not science".
We have tested and verified, your story that we made it all up was easy enough for you to make up.

 
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Your entire statement is only based on thus-saith Urantia -

You could never argue that all Christians have read Urantia.
Thats not from Urantia, we've know that Jesus taught a gospel before the cross for 2,000 years. Its in your Bible but you are unable to stomich the implications becuase you were born into Pauls version.
 
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"they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things were so (spoken to them by the Apostle Paul)" - Acts 17:11

Christ taught "FROM ALL The Scriptures" Luke 24:27

"to the LAW and to the Testimony - if they speak not according to this Word - they have no light" Isaiah 8:20

"Though WE (Apostles) or an ANGEL from HEAVEN should come to you with a different Gospel - let him be accursed!" Gal 1:6-9

(Then comes Urantia with hits hatred of Paul)
 
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We have tested and verified, your story that we made it all up was easy enough for you to make up.

That is not from a Creationist - it is an atheist evolutionist scientist that is condemning 'stories easy enough to make up' but they are "NOT science"--

Details matter.
 
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We have tested and verified, your story that we made it all up was easy enough for you to make up.

Notice that no matter how many atheist evolutionists condemn the exposed fraud and junk-science that went into stories such as the Marsh's horse series -- the attempt is made to claim I am the one that did it --


And what response do we get from evolutionists 60 years after the fraud was discovered? "still doubling down".

The "emotional effect" of arranging something that "looks like" it would go in a certain sequence if one were trying to tell a certain kind of "story" is just too tempting from the evolutionist.


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Caught in the act (Watch as these atheist evolutionist scientists confess)

G.G. Simpson in 1951 – evolutionism is a “done deal” and horse series is one of the clearest and most convincing example.

“The history of the horse family is still one of the clearest and most convincing for showing that organisms really have evolved. . . There really is no point nowadays in continuing to collect and to study fossils simply to determine whether or not evolution is a fact. The question has been decisively answered in the affirmative.” 2 Simpson, George G. 1951. Horses. Oxford University Press.



Outright confession –about the fraudulent horse series on display in the Smithsonian

"The uniform continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."—G.G. Simpson, Life of the Past (1953), p. 119.


"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.

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How is it that the history of the horse family - on display in the Smithsonian to this very day in 2016 as an arrangement fabricated by Othaniel Marsh -- is a fossil sequence "story" declared to "have never happened in nature" in the 1950's - by their own atheist scientists.



Irrefutable evidence of the junk-science nature of blind-faith evolutionism -- does not "vanish" simply because your Urantia preference does not find that fact of history 'convenient' -- I think we can all see that.

Lets get it straight what happened with the horse series. There was no disproof of evolution with further fossil finds. Rather, we found so many fossils that tracing an exact path for evolution between them was difficult

False.

"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.


Your fictional revisionism claims that Eldredge thinks it is 'lamentable" that "so many proofs of horse evolution are now known"
- as IF that was the case with Othaniel Marsh's fraudulent horse series.

The fraud was simply "arranging fossils' regardless of how they are actually found in the fossil record -- merely 'wishing' that it might be true that they would have been found in that emotionally pleasing sequence showing smooth orthogenic transformation over time.

It was a "story easy enough tell" but it certainly was NOT - science.

Thus even the atheist evolutionist can admit "it was LAMENTABLE"

Meanwhile the T.E. is stuck at "all news is good news! err... umm... right?"

The revisionist history your are attempting with this confirmed fraud does not hold up.

And what is more - junk-science should be expected to employ many decades long frauds to tell it's stories and then continue with that same story after it was exposed - simply for 'emotional effect' - a pleasing sequence to view.
 
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to atheists and agnostics - everything that is truth in the Bible is "bent" into a "contradiction" . That is an old story.
I'm a believer and can see the contradictions, your religious pride will never permit you to concede any.
 
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That is not from a Creationist - it is an atheist evolutionist scientist that is condemning 'stories easy enough to make up' but they are "NOT science"--

Details matter.
You keep quoting the phrase so you should take some responsibility.
 
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Notice that no matter how many atheist evolutionists condemn the exposed fraud and junk-science that went into stories such as the Marsh's horse series -- the attempt is made to claim I am the one that did it --


And what response do we get from evolutionists 60 years after the fraud was discovered? "still doubling down".

The "emotional effect" of arranging something that "looks like" it would go in a certain sequence if one were trying to tell a certain kind of "story" is just too tempting from the evolutionist.


=========================================================================
Caught in the act (Watch as these atheist evolutionist scientists confess)

G.G. Simpson in 1951 – evolutionism is a “done deal” and horse series is one of the clearest and most convincing example.

“The history of the horse family is still one of the clearest and most convincing for showing that organisms really have evolved. . . There really is no point nowadays in continuing to collect and to study fossils simply to determine whether or not evolution is a fact. The question has been decisively answered in the affirmative.” 2 Simpson, George G. 1951. Horses. Oxford University Press.



Outright confession –about the fraudulent horse series on display in the Smithsonian

"The uniform continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."—G.G. Simpson, Life of the Past (1953), p. 119.


"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.

================================

How is it that the history of the horse family - on display in the Smithsonian to this very day in 2016 as an arrangement fabricated by Othaniel Marsh -- is a fossil sequence "story" declared to "have never happened in nature" in the 1950's - by their own atheist scientists.



Irrefutable evidence of the junk-science nature of blind-faith evolutionism -- does not "vanish" simply because your Urantia preference does not find that fact of history 'convenient' -- I think we can all see that.



False.

"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.


Your fictional revisionism claims that Eldredge thinks it is 'lamentable" that "so many proofs of horse evolution are now known"
- as IF that was the case with Othaniel Marsh's fraudulent horse series.

The fraud was simply "arranging fossils' regardless of how they are actually found in the fossil record -- merely 'wishing' that it might be true that they would have been found in that emotionally pleasing sequence showing smooth orthogenic transformation over time.

It was a "story easy enough tell" but it certainly was NOT - science.

Thus even the atheist evolutionist can admit "it was LAMENTABLE"

Meanwhile the T.E. is stuck at "all news is good news! err... umm... right?"

The revisionist history your are attempting with this confirmed fraud does not hold up.

And what is more - junk-science should be expected to employ many decades long frauds to tell it's stories and then continue with that same story after it was exposed - simply for 'emotional effect' - a pleasing sequence to view.

 
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Well this is going no where. Evolution is one big assumption. None,of the,fossils prove anything because no one can prove they were not their own creatures fully formed from an identical ancestor. Evolution uses similarities to propagate the fraud. Whereas it cannot prove it by testing or observation.

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Well this is going no where. Evolution is one big assumption. None,of the,fossils prove anything because no one can prove they were not their own creatures fully formed from an identical ancestor. Evolution uses similarities to propagate the fraud. Whereas it cannot prove it by testing or observation.

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There is certainly speculation in science but it's based on the evidence that can be seen. That's not fraud. The fraud is the teaching that Noahs ansestors started popping out Chineses babies. That's a "sudden" mutation if there ever was one!
 
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Notice that no matter how many atheist evolutionists condemn the exposed fraud and junk-science that went into stories such as the Marsh's horse series -- the attempt is made to claim I am the one that did it --


And what response do we get from evolutionists 60 years after the fraud was discovered? "still doubling down".

The "emotional effect" of arranging something that "looks like" it would go in a certain sequence if one were trying to tell a certain kind of "story" is just too tempting from the evolutionist.


=========================================================================
Caught in the act (Watch as these atheist evolutionist scientists confess)

G.G. Simpson in 1951 – evolutionism is a “done deal” and horse series is one of the clearest and most convincing example.

“The history of the horse family is still one of the clearest and most convincing for showing that organisms really have evolved. . . There really is no point nowadays in continuing to collect and to study fossils simply to determine whether or not evolution is a fact. The question has been decisively answered in the affirmative.” 2 Simpson, George G. 1951. Horses. Oxford University Press.



Outright confession –about the fraudulent horse series on display in the Smithsonian

"The uniform continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."—G.G. Simpson, Life of the Past (1953), p. 119.


"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.

================================

How is it that the history of the horse family - on display in the Smithsonian to this very day in 2016 as an arrangement fabricated by Othaniel Marsh -- is a fossil sequence "story" declared to "have never happened in nature" in the 1950's - by their own atheist scientists.



Irrefutable evidence of the junk-science nature of blind-faith evolutionism -- does not "vanish" simply because your Urantia preference does not find that fact of history 'convenient' -- I think we can all see that.



False.

"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.


Your fictional revisionism claims that Eldredge thinks it is 'lamentable" that "so many proofs of horse evolution are now known"
- as IF that was the case with Othaniel Marsh's fraudulent horse series.

The fraud was simply "arranging fossils' regardless of how they are actually found in the fossil record -- merely 'wishing' that it might be true that they would have been found in that emotionally pleasing sequence showing smooth orthogenic transformation over time.

It was a "story easy enough tell" but it certainly was NOT - science.

Thus even the atheist evolutionist can admit "it was LAMENTABLE"

Meanwhile the T.E. is stuck at "all news is good news! err... umm... right?"

The revisionist history your are attempting with this confirmed fraud does not hold up.

And what is more - junk-science should be expected to employ many decades long frauds to tell it's stories and then continue with that same story after it was exposed - simply for 'emotional effect' - a pleasing sequence to view.

(sigh) Just because we can't tell which of the similar cousins was the actual ancestor based on the bones alone doesn't mean we haven't established evolution, no matter how much you try to claim it does.

And you still have a coccyx.
 
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Well this is going no where. Evolution is one big assumption. None,of the,fossils prove anything because no one can prove they were not their own creatures fully formed from an identical ancestor. Evolution uses similarities to propagate the fraud. Whereas it cannot prove it by testing or observation.

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That really isn't how the science of evolution proceeds, however. You are laboring under a serious misconception about evolution.
 
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