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Exodus 20:9-11 (Creation)

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You see, this is a good example of what happens when you start disbelieving one part of the Bible - you end up chucking out other parts as well, till in the end, what are you left with? On this basis, why should we believe any of it as clearly (according to your reasoning), large parts of it cannot be trusted? Interestingly, secular scientists think they have got it all figured out, and yet to keep their theories (such as the so-called Big Bang) afloat, they have to admit that approx 95% of all reality is composed of something they know nothing about or can even prove exists in the first place (Dark Matter/Energy, AKA fudge factors). If you don't believe me, just watch the videos from creationastronomy.com or "Evolution's Achilles' Heels" and you'll get a flavour of what I'm talking about. Now I know, many will just try to use bluff and bluster to dismiss such claims, but they just want to try to justify their unbelief in a Creator God, the God revealed to us by Moses in the opening chapters of the Bible. Jesus, creator of all things never once gave any hint that Genesis was allegory or that the great flood was anything other than a global event (quite the reverse in fact), so if He really is Almighty God, then in my view, we should just accept what is written and if it happens that man's theories and ideas are in disagreement (e.g., the age of the earth, how life got started, etc), then man's ideas need further work to try to discover why they are wrong.

one thing we notice is that to keep blind-faith in evolutionism - many/most/nearly-all evolutionist will not "let themselves read" or view material that destablizes "the stories" in evolutionism that are 'easy enough to tell but they are not science' --
 
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I entered Urantia the same way the apostles left Judaism and entered The Kingdom of Heaven. The spirit lead me there and I am oh so grateful to not have to live in the indoctrination of "paper pope" worship.

If this were a forum in the year AD 35, you would be the well meaning Jewish guy mocking followers of a carpenter from Nazareth who claimed he was divine, was killed and his body hidden away somewhere.

so then you freely reject the Bible at many levels - including "SIX DAYS you shall labor...for in SIX DAYS the LORD MADE..." Ex 20:8-11 (i.e. the subject of this thread).

Having rejected the Bible and chosen "urantia instead" - with its explicit evangelism for evolutionism - what you cannot do is argue that Christians that reject urantia and accept the Bible "instead" have incorrectly read the Bible. You yourself admit the Bible is not touting your stories.
 
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God created life with the inherent patterns for evolution.

The fossil record is proof .

"stories easy enough to tell but they are not science" is not proof of anything other than "fiction".

No text says "God created amoeba with sufficient talent to evolve into a horse over time - given a sufficiently talented and long period of time filled with improbable stories easy enough to tell -- that are not science" -- yet -- T.E. believe in such fiction "anyway"
 
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Lets trust both. Its just as easy as reconciling the other discrepancies in the Bible.

Here's a horsey fossil for you. Notice the intermediate stage of the feet . . . . three toed ancestry plainly revealed, one toe only already being used, the intermediate evolutionary stage caught in this fossil.

Its called "story easy enough to tell" - the fossil exists but nothing at all in the fossil record about its ancestor or descendant.

Why?

[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question.

"stories easy enough to tell - but they are not science" - Collin Patterson - atheist evolutionist - scientist

Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history
On April 10, 1979, Patterson replied to the author (Sunderland) in a most candid letter as follows:


April 10, 1979 Letter from Colin Patterson to Sunderland
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“ I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them.

You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic license, would that not mislead the reader?

I wrote the text of my book four years ago. If I were to write it now, I think the book would be rather different. Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it.

Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a paleontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record.

You say thatI should at least show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived. I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test. So, much as I should like to oblige you by jumping to the defence of gradualism, and fleshing out the transitions between the major types of animals and plants, I find myself a bit short of the intellectual justification necessary for the job “

[Ref: Patterson, personal communication. Documented in Darwin’s Enigma, Luther Sunderland, Master Books, El Cajon, CA, 1988, pp. 88-90.]

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Just not in real life.


Pictograph for the word "boat" is 8 people in a boat

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/296322850455215830/


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:doh::doh::doh:Do you think before you post?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The context is Noah's flood myth which would have drowned the ancient Chinese that existed well before the Hebrews YEC (4000 BC) story. And .......this world wide Chinese flood myth (many cultures have flood myths claiming all other cultures perished) would have drown the Israelites. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:
 
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"stories easy enough to tell but they are not science" is not proof of anything other than "fiction".

No text says "God created amoeba with sufficient talent to evolve into a horse over time - given a sufficiently talented and long period of time filled with improbable stories easy enough to tell -- that are not science" -- yet -- T.E. believe in such fiction "anyway"
Facts easy enough to demonstrate but nothing penetrates the pride of Bibliolatry.
 
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So then try out blind-faith evolutionism "instead" --

Darwin figured this one out as well.

Why trust the Bible - say some - when Darwinism is there just waiting for your blind-faith in Othaniel Marsh's horse fossil sequence - fraud. Or the whale-of-a-tale fraud.
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And when confronted with evolutionism's fraud what does the true-believer in evolutionism do? ...

double-down!




Allow me to illustrate -- evolution fossil record "stories easy enough to make up"



"stories easy enough to tell - but they are not science" - Collin Patterson - atheist evolutionist - scientist

Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history


On April 10, 1979, Patterson replied to the author (Sunderland) in a most candid letter as follows:


April 10, 1979 Letter from Colin Patterson to Sunderland
======================================================

“ I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them.

You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic license, would that not mislead the reader?

I wrote the text of my book four years ago. If I were to write it now, I think the book would be rather different. Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it.

Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a paleontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record.

You say thatI should at least show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived. I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test. So, much as I should like to oblige you by jumping to the defence of gradualism, and fleshing out the transitions between the major types of animals and plants, I find myself a bit short of the intellectual justification necessary for the job “

[Ref: Patterson, personal communication. Documented in Darwin’s Enigma, Luther Sunderland, Master Books, El Cajon, CA, 1988, pp. 88-90.]

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Sudden mutations don't leave transitional fossils, but the new kinds left fossil records for which you have no defense.
 
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Sudden mutations don't leave transitional fossils, but the new kinds left fossil records for which you have no defense.

What explanation is needed for "stories easy enough to tell but they are not science"

When in fact

" statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science,"

I think each time you usee an irrefutable point made about the flaws in blind faith evolutionism your response is to ignore the details and "double down" as if we joined you in ignoring those details.

I find your logic "illusive" at that point.
 
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The context is Noah's flood myth which would have drowned the ancient Chinese that existed well before the Hebrews YEC (4000 BC) story.
That would be kinda hard, wouldn't it?

Seeing as how the Chinese came from Noah's great grandson.

Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
 
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:doh::doh::doh:Do you think before you post?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The context is Noah's flood myth which would have drowned the ancient Chinese

In fact "all mankind but 8" were drowned as both the Chinese character for boat (8 people and symbol of a ship) - and the Bible explain.

Which of course is much-expected since Noah is the ancestor of all surviving humanity after the flood. Do you think before you post?

Each of your 'don't trust the Bible - trust urantia and evolutionism instead' stories seem to end quickly.
 
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So what exactly are you saying, then? That God made it in 6 days, but He made it so that it looked old? Or He supernaturally aged or sped up time or something along those lines?

Either way, God said it, I believe it. We worship a God of Truth, and Man lives not on bread alone, but by Every Word that proceeds from the Mouth of God. God said He did it in 6 days, that means He did it in 6 days.

There are many who claim the earth looks old...because it contains dinosaur and other fossils. What they fail to realize is that the dinosaurs were buried in Noah's Flood later fossilizing.
 
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The Bible makes no mention of the age of the earth. Old or new testament. All major
tenants of Christianity are covered from multiple authors, in different ways, correct?

That would be somewhat incorrect. Although God never says...I created on this or that date.....God did provide us with a linage of people leading back to Adam. James Ussher figured it out.
 
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In the end we are left with what's true. And Jesus is the Son, he's not the creator of all things, just some things using the powers given him by the Father.

As a Christian church seeker these verses should be important to you....

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Yes?
 
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Its called "story easy enough to tell" - the fossil exists but nothing at all in the fossil record about its ancestor or descendant.

Why?

[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question.

"stories easy enough to tell - but they are not science" - Collin Patterson - atheist evolutionist - scientist

Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history
On April 10, 1979, Patterson replied to the author (Sunderland) in a most candid letter as follows:


April 10, 1979 Letter from Colin Patterson to Sunderland
==========================================

“ I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them.

You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic license, would that not mislead the reader?

I wrote the text of my book four years ago. If I were to write it now, I think the book would be rather different. Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it.

Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a paleontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record.

You say thatI should at least show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived. I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test. So, much as I should like to oblige you by jumping to the defence of gradualism, and fleshing out the transitions between the major types of animals and plants, I find myself a bit short of the intellectual justification necessary for the job “

[Ref: Patterson, personal communication. Documented in Darwin’s Enigma, Luther Sunderland, Master Books, El Cajon, CA, 1988, pp. 88-90.]

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Damning testimony and yet still discarded by those who refuse to believe what God has clearly told them.
 
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Really? How many days did Peleg live for and how many days did it take to divide the world. The word yohm is used to describe this time period.

You do understand that yohm has several nuances for how the word is used? You can click here for a bible hub definition. Your use of the word day in Gen 10 is different than in Gen 1.
How much time did it take to divide the world? The bible is silent there...but the bible isn't silent when it tells us God took six days.

b.(in) the days of (i.e. life-time, reign, or activity of) Genesis 10:25

d. day as defined by evening and morningGenesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31
 
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As a Christian church seeker these verses should be important to you....

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Yes?
This would have to be in reference to a word, if you believe the Genesis account.
 
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As a Christian church seeker these verses should be important to you....

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Yes?
Our world came into being through the Son who hade the power and authority to do so, not the entire universe.
 
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Damning testimony and yet still discarded by those who refuse to believe what God has clearly told them.
Hebrew men wrote the Old testament. It was all about them. Other cultures also have stories specific to themselves.
 
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