Exodus 20:9-11 (Creation)

[Hoghead1]

Re-read Genesis 1. Everything is written from the perspective of the earth. Evening and morning is on the earth. Thedre is no darkness in Heaven, thus no night. Also, were the days to be a thousand years long, so would the nights and nothing would live.

How do you know there is no night in Heaven? Have you seen for yourself? Where does the Bible say that about Heaven?

 

[Hoghead1]

Re-read Genesis 1. Everything is written from the perspective of the earth. Evening and morning is on the earth. Thedre is no darkness in Heaven, thus no night. Also, were the days to be a thousand years long, so would the nights and nothing would live.

P.S. How are things down in Florida these days? You live in Key West, right?

 

[KWCrazy]

The fact you claim it is a lie definitely does not mean it is one. If anything, it makes you appear quite arrogant, as if you are in a position to sit in judgment on all these scientists, you, a lay person.

You have no idea who I am. I am an intellectual, since all that is required to be one is to claim it. I am a Biblical scholar, since all that is required to be one is to claim it. I actually do have a college degree, so no need to make claims there. If a million scientists say that man evolved and God said He created us from the dust of the earth, the intelligent man will go with the word of God. Science cannot test, cannot validate and cannot invalidate the supernatural.

 

[KWCrazy]

How do you know there is no night in Heaven? Have you seen for yourself? Where does the Bible say that about Heaven?

A real Biblical scholar would be familiar with Revelation 22:5.

 

[KWCrazy]

It is against the rules here for you to cast dispersion on the character of your fellow Christians simply because they do not share your views.

It's against the rules to pose as a Biblical scholar and post with the sole intent of discouraging Christians from believing their Bible. Lucky you that I'm not a mod. You have demonstrated repeatedly an ignorance of the Scriptures that nobody in theological studies would possess.

 

[KWCrazy]

P.S. How are things down in Florida these days? You live in Key West, right?

No.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Is God permitted to say things that may be difficult for the hearer to understand?

If we say no, we are being disrespectful to God, if we say yes, I guess we are to take certain things as fact even if we don't understand them. And who decides what God is saying? You, Colter and Hog?

Sounds like a mighty dangerous situation to put ones faith in. Think I'll stick with what God says and lean not unto your understanding.

 

[Anguspure]

Re-read Genesis 1. Everything is written from the perspective of the earth. Evening and morning is on the earth.

I think you are incorrect.

• The story of creation is told from the perspective of the Creators (Elohim);
  
• There were no earthly observers until day 6;
  
• Until the 3rd day when the Sun and Moon are placed in the sky to distinguish day from night there is no need for a terrestrial perspective at all;
• The words erev (evening, chaos), boker (morning, order), and yohm (day, era) do not necessarily carry the meanings enforced upon them by translators but are the best words in Hebrew to describe the process of Creation Exnihilo because they describe order (boker) being created from chaos (erev) over a period of time (yohm).

Thedre is no darkness in Heaven, thus no night.

Where does night come into it? I think you are reading something into the text that is not necessary or accurate.

The phenomena of "night" is defined as a "twisting away of the light" (layelah) in Genesis 1:5(a) and could also be translated as a shadow. In other words on day one after saying that there is only light, God created the phenomena of shadows in an otherwise fully lit universe and calls the phenomena "layelah".

The following sentence reads "Wayhi ereb, wayhi boker yohm echad." Which may legitimately read "and were the chaos and the order, day one". Night doesn't come into it the sentence at all.

Also, were the days to be a thousand years long, so would the nights and nothing would live.

Again, I think you are reading something into the text that is not there. Just because the term is defined earlier in the text says nothing about the usage of the word yohm or the words erev and boker in other parts of the text.

 

[Anguspure]

And who decides what God is saying? You, Colter and Hog?

God gets to decide. As we become closer in relationship to Him perhaps He will reveal what He meant. Until that time we might mull the questions over an arrive at some provisionally satisfying explanations that are helpful for further developing our relationship with Him, the proof of the pudding being in the fruit we are bearing because of His life running through us.

Sounds like a mighty dangerous situation to put ones faith in. Think I'll stick with what God says and lean not unto your understanding.

Nothing is dangerous to those who place their trust in Christ Jesus.

 

[Hoghead1]

It's against the rules to pose as a Biblical scholar and post with the sole intent of discouraging Christians from believing their Bible. Lucky you that I'm not a mod. You have demonstrated repeatedly an ignorance of the Scriptures that nobody in theological studies would possess.

Yes, but you see I am not posing, I am one, contrary to what you have to say. You are lucky I don't sue you for defamation of character. Would you ever end up with egg all over your face in court. But no big deal. To be expected here. With all the phony posing others do here, I'm surprised I don't get this kind of attack more often.

 

[Hoghead1]

Didn't you say this?


If I told you that A was the opposite of B, and you believed it, then you believe B is wrong, don't you?

You may not even know what A and B are -- so long as you believe in A.

B is wrong, in your estimation, and everyone who believe in B are wrong also.

I just know that you claim to be an expert and far more intelligent than all these scientists. I just know I find that about the epitome of hubris.

 

[Hoghead1]

Just FYI, Colter is in the Urantia cult.

Well, OK then. So tell me, why does the original Hebrew for 2 Sam. 21:19 say that Elhanan killed Goliath of Gath? Do explain.

 

[bugkiller]

So, in another thread, there's an off-topic discussion and I'd like to move it here.

It saddens me how many Christians think so highly of Man and his science that they think that we know better than God. Some people seek to allegorize Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, and say that God was speaking figuratively and that He didn't really mean what He said in Genesis.

Okay, fine.

But you wanna tell me why God, in Exodus 20:9-11 would tell Moses straight upfront that He created the Earth and everything on it in 6 days?

Here's the text for reference (KJV):



God straight up says "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day".

God said this, to Moses, directly. He wasn't using allegory, He wasn't playing around, He said "Since I worked 6 days and rested the 7th, you're going to work 6 days and rest on the 7th also." (paraphrased).

So.... you either believe God or you don't.

If you're going to say that God created Life on Earth over millions of years, then that forces you to call Him a liar in Exodus 20:11. If you're going to say that God was telling the truth, that means Man is a liar.

I leave you with Paul's opinion on that:

Romans 3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Your problem is a big word "wherefore." Then you must deal with the fact that creation week wasn't a reoccurring event. The 7th day Sabbath is a weekly event. You must deal with the word "rested." Elsewhere it is translated more correctly as cease(d). Thus you can't prove the 7tn day Sabbath is a creation event.

If your real point is about creation you are building your point on a wrong basis or a wrong foundation.

bugkiller

 

[Kenny'sID]

Nothing is dangerous to those who place their trust in Christ Jesus.

And?

 

[Hoghead1]

God gets to decide. As we become closer in relationship to Him perhaps He will reveal what He meant. Until that time we might mull the questions over an arrive at some provisionally satisfying explanations that are helpful for further developing our relationship with Him, the proof of the pudding being in the fruit we are bearing because of His life running through us.


Nothing is dangerous to those who place their trust in Christ Jesus.

That isn't quite right. Up to a point, yes, we can decide if God said something or not in Scripture. If, for example, we are dealing with the major contradictions, then it makes sense to assume God didn't say that. If, for example, we are dealing with questions about the canon, then yes, we can point out how human decision-making, some of it arbitrary, played a major role.

 

[bugkiller]

So you're saying God would lie to Moses and tell Moses that He did it in 6 days when He (as you believe) didn't?

You do understand what you're implying, right?

You're implying that God would sin (Lying is a sin). You're implying that God is not Truth.

I'll warn you: that's a rather strong blasphemy against God. I'd seriously consider repenting. I'm sure He would forgive you, because you probably don't realize what you're saying.

A very typical type post for people of your persuasion.

bugkiller

 

[Kenny'sID]

Your problem is a big word "wherefore." Then you must deal with the fact that creation week wasn't a reoccurring event. The 7th day Sabbath is a weekly event. You must deal with the word "rested." Elsewhere it is translated more correctly as cease(d). Thus you can't prove the 7tn day Sabbath is a creation event.

If your real point is about creation you are building your point on a wrong basis or a wrong foundation.

bugkiller

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Took a week to create it all and just because creation doesn't happen weekly, doesn't mean it can't be held holy weekly. I'm sure God just meant for it to be a weekly reminder. The last supper isn't on going, only happened once, yet communion happens often. Name some more for me?

As far as the word "cease", so? God ceased working, he stopped, iF you are not working, you are resting. How does that change a thing?

 

[bugkiller]

The story of Jesus turning water into good tasting wine (which is usually older) has nothing to do with the earth's age according to the Bible. If God said He made the Earth and everything in it in six days then that is the truth. You say that we are blessed for believing that, so why don't you? Why do you believe the Earth is older than God says it is?

You missed his point.

bugkiller

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Typically, you missed his point.

bugkiller

Yes, how typical of a close-minded fool like me.

 

[bugkiller]

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Took a week to create it all and just because creation doesn't happen weekly, doesn't mean it can't be held holy weekly. I'm sure God just meant for it to be a weekly reminder. The last supper isn't on going, only happened once, yet communion happens often. Name some more for me?

As far as the word "cease", so? God ceased working, he stopped, iF you are not working, you are resting. How does that change a thing?

Just as I thought. This isn't a discussion about creation.

You're playing word games.

bugkiller