Egyptian Mythology VS The Bible

[now faith]

Good question, Mmk. It very much depends on the individual. For example, I came out of a very strong background in contemporary biblical studies. I am good with languages and did think of doing my doctorate in biblical studies, but then decided on theology. So far me, it's a must to get down the exact, who, how , when, where, why. For others of a less academic bent, that might not be so important. I very much identify with liberal Christianity. I do not think the Bible is or has to be inerrant to have value. However, many conservative Christians, fundamentalists, insist on an inerrant Scripture. To them, the Bible is the Word of God. To me, the reality is that the Bible is the Word of Man. The Word of God is revealed though and subject to the limitations imposed by the Word of Man. Of course, that is blasphemy to conservative Christians. When it comes to the NT, I also hold there is a considerable amount of spin-doctoring going on. Note that I am not saying that it is all myth, but it is not all direct eyewitness and fact either. We really don't know the human, historical Christ, just the Christ of kerygma and myth.

If you cannot believe that the Bible is the Word of God,what do you base your Christian faith on?

We are Children of the most High God,and He is not the author of confusion.
The Holy Spirit guides us in his truth by his Word,not by fables.
One problem that becomes evident in Christianity today is,rather than walking by faith people walk by their own works some being that of theology based on the idea of enlightened higher education.

The devil is a liar.

 

[Hoghead1]

I didn't say the Bible was unimportant, Now Faith. What I said is that I do not hold that it is inerrant or has to be inerrant to be valuable. I think calling it the Word of God is blasphemous, as Scripture reserves the title of Word (capital W) of God exclusively for Christ. I seek to avoid all forms of bibliolatry. I base my faith on numerous sources such as the Bible, theology, personal experience. Much depends upon what specific issue I am addressing. Generally, mu approach to faith centers on creativity, a healthy skepticism for tradition, and personal experience as ultimate authority. I do very much believe in higher education. I am an academician.

 

[now faith]

I didn't say the Bible was unimportant, Now Faith. What I said is that I do not hold that it is inerrant or has to be inerrant to be valuable. I think calling it the Word of God is blasphemous, as Scripture reserves the title of Word (capital W) of God exclusively for Christ. I seek to avoid all forms of bibliolatry. I base my faith on numerous sources such as the Bible, theology, personal experience. Much depends upon what specific issue I am addressing. Generally, mu approach to faith centers on creativity, a healthy skepticism for tradition, and personal experience as ultimate authority. I do very much believe in higher education. I am an academician.

John: 1. 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I do not consider the Word of God ,being referenced as such to be blasphemy.
I do consider a doctrine of sorts being constructed from personal experience and ones own ability in discernment, to be wood hay and stubble.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't think you quite understood my point, Now Faith. John is talking about Christ. That's why I said saying the Bible is the Word of God is bibliolatry. I gather you feel we should just go on Scripture , forget your experiences, right? If not, let me know. I don't agree any books, Scripture or otherwise, are a substitute for personal experience. Actually, Scripture can be a real hindrance. The problem is that you may end up looking at things via the lens of Scripture. that means between you and what's out there, you are looking through the filter of Scripture , have something standing between you and the rest. I'd sooner not have anything like that standing in the way. Also, exclusive reliance on Scripture makes faith a static, backwards-looking affair, as you are continually looking back into the past. I think we should seek out God in the directness and immediacy of our own experience, not by trying to see God by looking backwards and through the eyes of teh biblical writers. That is way too indirect for me. Indeed, Scripture itself says that God is omnipresent, and so I believe we should explore deeper into ourselves, strive toward the contact point between ourselves and God.

 

[now faith]

1 Corinthians: 1. 25. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27. But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28. And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29. That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


1 Corinthians: 2. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[now faith]

Thank you ,but let's agree to disagree.
God Bless

 

[Hoghead1]

I'm not sure which posts you are responding to here, Now Faith. Are you responding to my Post 44? If so, I don't see the relevance of your reply. Paul here is clearly talking here of a direct, immediate experience of God's presence or the Spirit that is available to us.

 

[Locutus]

I do consider a doctrine of sorts being constructed from personal experience and ones own ability in discernment, to be wood hay and stubble.

do you not trust your own 'ability in discernment'?

 

[mmksparbud]

Pro 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

Pro 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

Pro 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

Pro 3:4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

P

 

[now faith]

Pro 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

Pro 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

Pro 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

Pro 3:4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

P

Amen

 

[now faith]

do you not trust your own 'ability in discernment'?

No I do not ,the discernment is only as the Holy Spirit gives and never glorifies himself.

I would not even though I could , have the ability to write my own doctrine.

Joseph Smith comes to mind when considering man made doctrine.

 

[Locutus]

No I do not .

do you trust your own judgement?

 

[now faith]

do you trust your own judgement?

Can you define what areas of life you are referring to?

 

[juvenissun]

Egyptian Mythology tells a lot of the most important stories of the Bible in incredible accuracy, but PREDATES the Bible by very many years.
If this is true than that makes the Bible a copy and the Christian religion completely crumbles..
How can we combat this?

I believe "every" one of those mentioned are different. Bible does not copy anything.
So, if you like to name those mythologies one by one, we can take a look of them in certain details.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't think there are many very close parallels in Egyptian mythology.

There are much better parallels in things like the Flood Myth from the Ancient Near East, which is very similar to the Genesis Flood myth, and predates the bible by very many years.

Flood hazard is common in all ancient civilizations. But the Biblical Flood is unique and no other myth said the same thing and has the same meaning. In particular, the Biblical Flood is the one with a scientific precision which can not be matched by any other myth.

 

[juvenissun]

About Osiris:

Osiris was murdered by his brother Set and his body cut up into pieces, Isis the sister-wife of Osiris traveled all over Egypt collecting all the members of his body, but couldn't find his phallus. So she constructed a golden phallus, and using an incantation momentarily brought Osiris back to life so that she could copulate with him and be impregnated, Osiris then died again and was born anew as the king of the underworld.

-CryptoLutheran

Thanks. Nice story.

 

[juvenissun]

How would you respond to someone who brought this into a debate?

Let him name just ONE, and let him know right away that the Biblical account IS a very different one. All you need to do is to show the difference. The Bible does not copy anything.
Kill those arguments one by one. That is the way to deal with it.

 

[now faith]

Common sense as I said before,the Flood predated the Bible and the Word given to Moses.
Doubters speak of Mesopotamia as having a flood as well,but they do not understand Bible genological origins that reconcile the truth.

 

[Goonie]

Flood hazard is common in all ancient civilizations. But the Biblical Flood is unique and no other myth said the same thing and has the same meaning. In particular, the Biblical Flood is the one with a scientific precision which can not be matched by any other myth.

Sorry scientific precision? There's zero scientific evidence of a global flood. As as for unique Utnapishtim says 'hi'.

 

[Catherineanne]

Egyptian Mythology tells a lot of the most important stories of the Bible in incredible accuracy, but PREDATES the Bible by very many years.
If this is true than that makes the Bible a copy and the Christian religion completely crumbles..
How can we combat this?

Learn more about Egyptian mythology. Job done.