Bill Nye the Science Guy and Creationism

[tiglathpileser]

No. Bill Nye is agains psuedo science. He is against dishonesty. He is against dogma. And if you are against these things, well, you are going to be "against" creationism.

I am against these things but I am not against creationism so that blows your theory out of the window.

Yup. So we all should be.

Why?

No. Ken Ham accused Bill Nye of bait and switch because Ken Ham does not understand the term "bait and switch" and is desperate for negative things to say about Nye.

How do you know? Have you met Ken Ham and discussed the topic with him?

There is an awful lot you don't understand here.

And judging by your answers, there is an awful lot you don't understand.

Your rant here only puts your integrity at risk. And by the way, the burden of proof is in your camp.

The burden of proof in on ANYONE who makes a claim. The atheist has made up that furphy as nine times out of ten they have no proof.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Is anything not a religious view?

Especially atheism.

One, the fact is that when you bring God's existence into a scientific debate, it ceases to be scientific and becomes philosophical. Most atheists can't grasp that fact, that is why they keep saying God does not exist and then they blame this God that does not exist for all sorts of things.

Two. There are at least 35 atheist churches around the world and counting. Church = religion.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Those who claim that there WAS a divine act have the responsability to support that claim.

And those who claim that there wasn't a divine act have the responsibility to prove there wasn't.

 

[tiglathpileser]

We know the worldwide flood didn't happen, that leaves us with the option of taking Genesis as allegory, it's not difficult. Anything else is denial and willful ignorance.

Who is we?

 

[Murby]

There are at least 35 atheist churches around the world and counting. Church = religion.

May I suggest you look up the definition of Church and Religion? If atheism is a religion, who do they worship?

There is also an official "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster". Registered 501c3 organization and was fighting to have their spaghetti monster statue displayed on the courthouse steps right along side of the ten commandments.

That doesn't make it a church of religion.. more of an organization of free speech demonstrating equal rights to religious display on government grounds.
That is, unless you really believe there are people who think there really is a flying spaghetti monster..

 

[tiglathpileser]

A Bishop worked out a time frame for the bible 500 years ago, what has this got to do with Bill Nye? He might have been quite a scholar but he was wrong, the Earth was not created 6000 years ago.

How do you know?

 

[tiglathpileser]

May I suggest you look up the definition of Church and Religion? If atheism is a religion, who do they worship?

Judging by their comments they worship themselves.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Yes Ken Ham was trying to show that the earth is only 6,000 years old. It is rather redundant for Bill Nye to debate him in the first place except apparently there is a group of people that do accept the premise that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

That is right Joshua. The people who do believe that run into hundreds of millions. Those that don't run into hundreds of thousands. Funny how atheists conveniently ignore facts like that.

 

[tiglathpileser]

What makes you think that I, an agnostic atheist seeker, wish to deny others the faith that I myself wish to obtain? Most atheists are not antitheists; we don't give a crap if other people have faith or not, as long as they aren't pushy about it.

If an atheist claims God does not exist (without evidence) he is antitheist.

But you don't mind being pushy about your religion. If you weren't you wouldn't be here pushing your religion.

 

[Astrophile]

As Dr. Lawrence Principe notes, "The idea that scientific and religious camps have historically been separate and antagonistic is rejected by all modern historians of science."

For what it is worth, when I was learning about astronomy, geology and evolution during the 1960s and early 1970s, I never thought that what I was learning contradicted my Christian faith, and none of my scientific teachers ever told me that these sciences were opposed to religion.

It was only when I fell in with a group of Christian creationists during the 1970s and started reading creationist books that I was introduced to the idea that the findings of science were opposed to or were incompatible with belief in God, and to the idea that if evolution is true then none of the Bible can be trusted and Christianity is false.

 

[tiglathpileser]

The only thing we'd have to give up us the delusion the God did it...

it is only delusional to those who don't want to know.

 

[tiglathpileser]

One of those two has since eradicated Polio.... just sayin'

This comment shows how blinkered and self centred you are. I guess you think that the antidote for polio just happened. You know some doctor said "I have found the antidote to polio."

The fact that God created man with a brain that can think and discover never entered your head. That means that God gave man the ability to understand the cause of polio and the antidote for it.

And we need to thank God for that as the cause of polio in the first place was man's sin which has caused the decay and degeneration that had been taking place over the last 6,000 years.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Well why do you think nobody in my generation in America has ever had polio?

Because of the grace of God.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Quotes do not make it so. The personal feelings of people, even intellectuals, are irrelevant in this matter. Additionally, I do not neglect to recognize that early on, many revolutionary scientists came from very religious backgrounds. This does not mean that religion promoted their work; at best, it was unrelated to their work, and at worst, internal and external conflicts surrounding religion hindered their work.

I can't help notice that you are very good at plucking wild generalisations out of the air and pronouncing them as solid fact.

I have read very widely and have noticed how many people are motivated by their faith in God to do what they do. In fact I have found that generally speaking atheists tend to be absent when we are talking about altruistic action. That in itself makes them unqualified to comment on such things.

I have no doubt that you like to think that religion is the ogre but the fact is that in days gone by, religion and the church were the founders of universities and learning. Without them there would have been none, because the average person could not read or write.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Nah. I think it's religious folks who invented the clash between religion & science. I say this as a religious person. I just paid attn in history class is all.

if you go back to the 1600s you will find that the church was the instigators of learning as they launched most of the universities in those days.

 

[lasthero]

That is right Joshua. The people who do believe that run into hundreds of millions. Those that don't run into hundreds of thousands. Funny how atheists conveniently ignore facts like that.

Where'd you get that stat from?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I can't help notice that you are very good at plucking wild generalisations out of the air and pronouncing them as solid fact.

That would be the pot calling the kettle black. If I am good at doing that, I wasn't aware of it. I don't intentionally generalize, it is just a persistent bad habit.

I have read very widely and have noticed how many people are motivated by their faith in God to do what they do. In fact I have found that generally speaking atheists tend to be absent when we are talking about altruistic action. That in itself makes them unqualified to comment on such things.

Atheists are a minority in the world population, and the majority of them are not openly atheist as it tends to draw negative attention. It would not shock me if within your social group, there aren't many atheists or people that personally know very many atheists. As one raised in a relatively secular family (some are religious, but few are regular church goers), I do know a few generous atheists that give to charity and are proactive within their communities.

Also, just because the atheists you know of aren't active in that way, doesn't mean all atheists are. You blame me for making generalizations and presenting them as facts, so what would you call stating every atheist is absent from altruistic activities? You don't know every atheist, and chances are you may know people that are atheists, but they haven't mentioned it to you because they know that you would be preachy to them, or they just don't feel comfortable bringing it up.

I have no doubt that you like to think that religion is the ogre but the fact is that in days gone by, religion and the church were the founders of universities and learning. Without them there would have been none, because the average person could not read or write.

I know they founded universities, and I don't deny it. However, whenever observations didn't match up with the bible, the church didn't take kindly to them. Galileo can attest to as much, given he was under house arrest for the remainder of his life after publishing his work on the solar system. Many such intellectuals would publish on their deathbeds, because they knew that the church would punish them for their findings, yet they wanted their work to be known.

In modern times, religion rarely interferes with science when it concerns countries that are world powers. The United States is one of the few exceptions to that, but compared to the past, the interference is relatively tame.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If an atheist claims God does not exist (without evidence) he is antitheist.

But you don't mind being pushy about your religion. If you weren't you wouldn't be here pushing your religion.

I am not here pushing atheism. It's actually a stretch to even say I am promoting evolution. I am here mostly to improve my social skills, and what better challenge is there for an angry, impatient person than to try to politely debate people that are strongly opposed to the position one takes in the debate? I am also immensely interested in any evidence people may have for the existence of deities, although I have been left pretty disappointed thus far.

I try to listen to what people have to say as well, but it really strains me to deal with people like you that decide it is easier to just put atheists down as idiots and lesser beings than believers. You aren't helping anyone by saying it, and even though you believe that to be the case, you can practice tact by not expressing it.

Also, I don't claim that deities don't exist. I claim that I haven't seen sufficient evidence to convince me that they do. I could very well be wrong, and I hope that I am.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You can believe anything you want. These are just a small numbers of quotes as there are tons more but the point has been made.
The clash between science and religion is something modern atheist made up. In reality is just two human opinions disagreeing with one another ... something that very common is all human area of thoughts.

Galileo's permanent house arrest begs to differ. Linnaeus's refusal to acknowledge carnivorous plants as existing because "such a thing would be blasphemy and usurp the natural order established by god" begs to differ. Copernicus publishing on his deathbed to avoid punishment from the church begs to differ.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is right Joshua. The people who do believe that run into hundreds of millions. Those that don't run into hundreds of thousands. Funny how atheists conveniently ignore facts like that.

"Four in 10 Americans believe God created the Earth and anatomically modern humans, less than 10,000 years ago, according to a new Gallup poll."

http://news.discovery.com/human/lif...-god-created-earth-10000-years-ago-140606.htm