Do religion and science attempt to show the same thing?

[John 1:1 GodCZU]

Do religion and science attempt to show the same thing?

In a sense, in my opinion, yes they do. Only science hopes to prove a source for all that exists so that scientists can take credit for finding it.
While religion is an institution that contains the myriad ideas that describe God's existence. God is there to inspire the words that bring eternity into a palatable language we can believe in as proof God was there the whole time.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I dont know, didn't you bring that up as an issue. I would imagine that a person is not going to have that religious practice or spirituality in their life unless they believe it true. I merely stated that religion, spirituality or whatever you wish to call it can add some extra meaning or benefit to a persons life. That Professor Polkinghorne said that we need to consider both science and spirituality to get a complete picture. Now this may be his belief and you have a different one. But all that can be said is that for some or many they believe that religion or spirituality adds to their life and gives them a richer experience. Whether its true is a personal thing because to the people who believe they believe that its true and real and you cant deny them this right.

Many are also interested in whether it's true or not. They don't just want to believe; they want to know.

 

[stevevw]

Many are also interested in whether it's true or not. They don't just want to believe; they want to know.

That sort of defeats the purpose of faith. You have to remember what you or science demands as proof to determine if something is true is not going to be the same criteria for many who believe. They have a personal reassurance and a confidence that it is true from other means which cannot be tested with science. Afterall this is what the bible states so this is also a truth that is fulfilled. As the bible states faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. So for those who just dont want to believe and need evidence will find it hard to receive the assurance that God gives by trusting and taking his word by faith.

 

[bhsmte]

That sort of defeats the purpose of faith. You have to remember what you or science demands as proof to determine if something is true is not going to be the same criteria for many who believe. They have a personal reassurance and a confidence that it is true from other means which cannot be tested with science. Afterall this is what the bible states so this is also a truth that is fulfilled. As the bible states faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. So for those who just dont want to believe and need evidence will find it hard to receive the assurance that God gives by trusting and taking his word by faith.

Could be why, faith beliefs don't do well under objective scrutiny.

 

[Colter]

"The reason of science is based on the observable facts of time; the faith of religion argues from the spirit program of eternity. What knowledge and reason cannot do for us, true wisdom admonishes us to allow faith to accomplish through religious insight and spiritual transformation."

"Science is man's attempted study of his physical environment, the world of energy-matter; religion is man's experience with the cosmos of spirit values; philosophy has been developed by man's mind effort to organize and correlate the findings of these widely separated concepts into something like a reasonable and unified attitude toward the cosmos."​

 

[Colter]

Faith is unfinished so trying to study it now is silly. It would be like studying the foundation of a building to determine if the penthouse will exist. The same goes for the Atheist faith.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That sort of defeats the purpose of faith. You have to remember what you or science demands as proof to determine if something is true is not going to be the same criteria for many who believe. They have a personal reassurance and a confidence that it is true from other means which cannot be tested with science. Afterall this is what the bible states so this is also a truth that is fulfilled. As the bible states faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. So for those who just dont want to believe and need evidence will find it hard to receive the assurance that God gives by trusting and taking his word by faith.

Which goes back to what I said: many people aren't satisfied with faith. They care about whether it's true or not. They don't just want to believe; they want to know.

 

[Colter]

Which goes back to what I said: many people aren't satisfied with faith. They care about whether it's true or not. They don't just want to believe; they want to know.

People who have found God know.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

People who have found God know.

So they claim.

 

[Colter]

So they claim.

"On the second evening at Ramah, Thomas asked Jesus this question: “Master, how can a new believer in your teaching really know, really be certain, about the truth of this gospel of the kingdom?”

And Jesus said to Thomas: “Your assurance that you have entered into the kingdom family of the Father, and that you will eternally survive with the children of the kingdom, is wholly a matter of personal experience — faith in the word of truth. Spiritual assurance is the equivalent of your personal religious experience in the eternal realities of divine truth and is otherwise equal to your intelligent understanding of truth realities plus your spiritual faith and minus your honest doubts."

UB 1955

 

[stevevw]

Could be why, faith beliefs don't do well under objective scrutiny.

It's faith so it is based on trust. If it had the sort of evidence that science demands then it wouldn't be faith. But that doesn't mean it is blind faith. To the believer there are certain testaments and evidences that confirm things and make them confident that what God has said is true. Even to the point of trusting their life to God.

 

[bhsmte]

It faith so it is based on trust. If it had the sort of evidence that science demands then it would be faith. But that doesn't mean it is blind faith. To the believer there are certain testaments and evidences that confirm things and make them confident that what God has said is true. Even to the point of trusting their life to God.

We don't give the same meaning to the term faith.

You have fun with it though.

 

[Neochristian]

The truth.

 

[david rodriguez]

This is a quote that is from a fairly recent book :

"Religion deservedly comes in for more criticism in its failures than science does in its, because religion claims for itself the ability to know what's true, whereas science claims for itself only the ability to quantify the probability of a thing being wrong. A genuine truth arrogantly asserted - that is, without so much as a guess at the likelihood of its being false - is a most pernicious kind of falsehood, far worse than a mere mistake, because it alienates people from it."

I have some questions on the philosophy of science.

Firstly what is its proper circumscribed domain, what can science study?

why does it come across, in the above quote, that all science wants to do is to prove things wrong rather than prove to be possible? I thought science tries to prove cures rather then say there is NO cure.. I thought science tries to prove exploration rather than say there is NO exploration.. I think that is what is meant when the Holy Scriptures says that with GOD ALL things are possible. Why be in a science that tries to prove that what is already in existence is 'wrong?'

 

[david rodriguez]

I mean, I have to keep in mind and remember that the Holy Bible or anything else that is readily available to purchase, has been around alot longer than my own lifetime. Those things in topic which are always being questioned stem from things that have been around this Earth for milleniums. It wasn't just 'fabricated' right before or right after my birth.. There is no conspiracy, from those things that already exist, to lead people's lives astray by those things which has been around for aeons.

 

[david rodriguez]

And besides, if it is a question of, 'which nation or peoples or tribes' have the TRUE knowledge of God, then science would have nothing to do with it. There are native American Indians who believe doing a hallucinagetic (forgive the wrong spelling) drug will bring them closer to God. There are still others who believe that starving yourself will bring you closer to God. (Jainism)

 

[david rodriguez]

If, however, it's a question of living in a place or country which has rules or thoughts that you are uncomfortable living in and within, then I guess it would be a personal issue rather than a religious issue. All i know is that the Pilgrims arrived to this place from England and had thanksgiving with the Indians. Whether that whole story is true, is unsure. But they did arrive from England to flee from the Anglican Church.

 

[david rodriguez]

What a true wonder it is to know that only in 240 years, the year 2016 - 1776, that science, medicine, and everything else that this Nation is blessed with has this progression been done in. It almost reminds me of the Tower of Babel.. And they were all of one speech and one mind, thinking to build a tower to the heaven. I guess with people joining in on the same bandwagon, progression can happen quickly.

 

[david rodriguez]

Did you read that article about scientists who are trying to resurrect a dead body by using computer chips in a dead brain in a dead body to bring back life to the person?

 

[david rodriguez]

Spiritually speaking.

Jesus never claimed that water was really wine.
He expected others to figure it out themselves.

Jesus never said He was God.
He said...make your own observations.

Jesus never said that He was God, true..... But He did say John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."