It should be Murder?

[redleghunter]

Actually, most miscarriages occur in the first trimester and require no medical intervention. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

And that poses no problem at all. Get rid of the abortionists and you eliminate the problem.

Most drug users and dope pushers never get arrested. When evidence is collected and arrests made they are indicted and stand trial.

Just because it is difficult to know all things illegal does not mean to provide legal access to it. That's absurd.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes it is that simple. Have the baby.

Oh, look. A man telling women how they should behave!

 

[SteveB28]

And that poses no problem at all. Get rid of the abortionists and you eliminate the problem.

Most drug users and dope pushers never get arrested. When evidence is collected and arrests made they are indicted and stand trial.

Just because it is difficult to know all things illegal does not mean to provide legal access to it. That's absurd.

I see. Prior to 1973 in your country, you 'got rid of the abortionists' by making them illegal.

There were no abortions performed in that time, correct? You "eliminated the problem", yes?

 

[redleghunter]

Another male with all the answers for women, I see. What a surprise!

He answered the question and that is what you asked for in the OP.

I could easily say you are another male who allows another human being to die for the purposes of a woman's pursuit of happiness.

 

[redleghunter]

Oh, look. A man telling women how they should behave!

You posted the OP. You questions have been answered and just through the first two pages there is nothing but hypothetical responses...not rebuttals but responses.

So this like any law would be enforced like any other law.

If someone was operating a crack house and you have evidence of such, you get a warrant and make arrests.

That is why I mentioned the majority part of law enforcement are with the illegal providers.

Period, you got your answer now what do you have left?

 

[nomadictheist]

We are speaking about abortion, in a western country.

Your desperation in having to dredge up these irrelevant analogies speaks volumes about the sincerity of your argument.

Your calling them irrelevant doesn't make them so. It's entirely relevant. The point is, and continues to be, that just because we call or do not call something murder does not make that true.

And I know we're speaking about taking human life in a western country. That doesn't make it any better than taking human life in a middle-eastern country.

 

[nomadictheist]

And, once again, you provide your own answer! Legal medical terminations are NOT regarded as murder!

Thank you for doing my work.

No... that's not an answer, it's an excuse.

If killing someone by a medical process makes it no longer murder, then legally we should be able to have anybody who's dependent on us medically terminated.

 

[SteveB28]

You posted the OP. You questions have been answered and just through the first two pages there is nothing but hypothetical responses...not rebuttals but responses.

So this like any law would be enforced like any other law.

If someone was operating a crack house and you have evidence of such, you get a warrant and make arrests.

That is why I mentioned the majority part of law enforcement are with the illegal providers.

Period, you got your answer now what do you have left?

Period? You have a long way to go my friend! You conveniently skirt around the consequences of your cruelty. How many more times do I have to point out the historical evidence of the results of denying women access to safe services?

Or do you, Pilate-like, simply wash your hands with a 'that isn't my concern' attitude?

 

[SteveB28]

Your calling them irrelevant doesn't make them so. It's entirely relevant. The point is, and continues to be, that just because we call or do not call something murder does not make that true.

Actually, yes it does!

Let me bring you into the fold with this revealing information.....that's how we make laws!

Good grief.

 

[nomadictheist]

Actually, yes it does!

Let me bring you into the fold with this revealing information.....that's how we make laws!

Good grief.

Truth is determined by God and God alone. Human laws can't change truth.

 

[SteveB28]

No... that's not an answer, it's an excuse.

If killing someone by a medical process makes it no longer murder, then legally we should be able to have anybody who's dependent on us medically terminated.

You really aren't very good at this, are you?

No. Just because we make exceptions to certain procedures does not mean that we must provide that exception to all other procedures.

Psssst.........that's what makes it an EXCEPTION...!

 

[SteveB28]

Truth is determined by God and God alone. Human laws can't change truth.

Irrelevant. Human laws are are determined by humans.

 

[nomadictheist]

Actually, yes it does!

Let me bring you into the fold with this revealing information.....that's how we make laws!

Good grief.

Ok. If that's how we make laws, then you shouldn't care about interfering in a country where it's not murder to execute people who convert from the national religion. Because then that's their "truth". Why does your "truth" transcend theirs?

 

[nomadictheist]

You really aren't very good at this, are you?

No. Just because we make exceptions to certain procedures does not mean that we must provide that exception to all other procedures.

Psssst.........that's what makes it an EXCEPTION...!

It's taking human life. Whether we make an exception for it or not, it's still wrong.

I'm not talking about what the human law is. I'm talking about what it should morally be.

 

[SteveB28]

Ok. If that's how we make laws, then you shouldn't care about interfering in a country where it's not murder to execute people who convert from the national religion. Because then that's their "truth". Why does your "truth" transcend theirs?

Correct. I will simply stay away from such a country. As with Syria at the moment.

 

[nomadictheist]

Irrelevant. Human laws are are determined by humans.

It doesn't matter what the human law is. The question here isn't what human law currently is. It's about whether that law is right.

God's law transcends human law. God said "Thou shalt not murder." So any law that condones murder of any human is in direct violation of God's law.

 

[redleghunter]

If a first trimester abortion (spontaneous or otherwise) doesn't demand a criminal investigation, then a fetus doesn't have the same rights as a born human being.

Sure they do. An embryo, fetus etc. is a human being at conception. Scientific fact.

If we expunged laws that were hard to prosecute the list would be short.

As I said above, you deal with the providers of illegal abortions.

A lot of anti-healthcare zealots did not believe the Affordable Healthcare act would work out. Well it had its bugs and burps at first (some still exist) but each day it improves. Just remember all those people raging to the president it would not work. Well it is working.

We have a hard time keeping people from going around and through our borders. So we should give up patrolling the border and enforcing the law? Of course not.

 

[nomadictheist]

Irrelevant. Human laws are are determined by humans.

This is called circular reasoning. You're saying "these laws are right because they're the law."

 

[SteveB28]

It's taking human life. Whether we make an exception for it or not, it's still wrong.

I'm not talking about what the human law is. I'm talking about what it should morally be.

This discussion is about the law. About making abortion a murder charge. Start your own discussion please.

 

[SteveB28]

This is called circular reasoning. You're saying "these laws are right because they're the law."

No. Read again. I'm saying that human laws are formed by humans, not gods.