The Latin Mass…...

[bigsurfer63]

Was just curious……who here is a Traditionalist Catholic & attends EXCLUSIVELY the Extraordinary Form of The Mass ????

I'm soooooooo grateful that I attend the Cathederal here that has the Extraordinary Form of The Mass & that has the total support of our Bishop.
you'd be very surprised that the Latin Mass here is filled with young Catholics & young Catholic families as well as converts too.

When I speak with the young Catholics here they always say that they are VERY hungry for the Latin Mass & usually exclusively attend the Sacrifice of The Mass & never a N O Mass….

since attending the Extraordinary Form of The Mass now for a lil over 3 yrs now since moving here, I have not attended a N O Mass.

don't take this op as "anti N O Mass " it is NOT….just curious here who goes EXCLUSIVELY 2 the Latin Mass….

here's a link for Latin Masses state by state….http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/EFMass/churches.htm

 

[Michie]

Why do you use so many caps and bolding in your posts? Is that a Latin Mass thing too?

 

[Jared R]

Why do you use so many caps and bolding in your posts? Is that a Latin Mass thing too?

Yes it is... I'm SORRY I didn't get the memo BEFORE

ALSO to answer your question bigsurfer, I don't judge anyone who attends the NO, but I have been attending the TLM exclusively for 2-3 years now. I had to go to a NO Mass in December because there was no other way to fulfill my obligation, and it was very upsetting for me (but again, it is a valid Mass and I don't judge anyone here who attends one exclusively).

I would agree that the Latin Mass is extremely popular among young Catholics. At my parish there are SO many people in their 20's there by themselves, and 14 enthusiastic altar boys. People expect the Latin Mass to be full of the elderly, but in my experience they are the minority by far. It's lots of young people and big young families. I believe this is where we will find the future of the Church in the US.

 

[Michie]

Lol!

Yes it is... I'm SORRY I didn't get the memo BEFORE

ALSO to answer your question bigsurfer, I don't judge anyone who attends the NO, but I have been attending the TLM exclusively for 2-3 years now. I had to go to a NO Mass in December because there was no other way to fulfill my obligation, and it was very upsetting for me (but again, it is a valid Mass and I don't judge anyone here who attends one exclusively).

I would agree that the Latin Mass is extremely popular among young Catholics. At my parish there are SO many people in their 20's there by themselves, and 14 enthusiastic altar boys. People expect the Latin Mass to be full of the elderly, but in my experience they are the minority by far. It's lots of young people and big young families. I believe this is where we will find the future of the Church in the US.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I'm registered at an FSSP parish. That, in fact, is how I was welcomed into the Church. However, I occasionally attend Novus Ordo Masses and Anglican Use Masses. The TLM has a special place in my heart for reasons you TLM-admirers probably know only too well. It's not quite exclusive but TLM is my preference.

Full disclosure, I really enjoy Anglican Use and would probably attend Mass there more often (if not exclusively) were that parish more geographically convenient for me.

 

[Jared R]

I'm registered at an FSSP parish. That, in fact, is how I was welcomed into the Church. However, I occasionally attend Novus Ordo Masses and Anglican Use Masses. The TLM has a special place in my heart for reasons you TLM-admirers probably know only too well. It's not quite exclusive but TLM is my preference.

Full disclosure, I really enjoy Anglican Use and would probably attend Mass there more often (if not exclusively) were that parish more geographically convenient for me.

Somehow I don't believe you, because you didn't use bold...

(Jk)

 

[Gnarwhal]

I would if I could, I watch YouTube videos of Latin Masses all the time because I think it's one of the most beautiful things God ever gave the Church. Unfortunately my parish stopped offering the TLM back in November 2013 before I even started attending, and the nearest one is about an 80 mile drive south for me.

If I ever relocate back east like I plan, I'm definitely going to find a parish with a Latin Mass, like Church of the Holy Innocents in New York or St. Mary Mother of God in Washington DC.

 

[Colin]

I was brought up with the Tridentine Mass years before the liturgy was reformed by the 21st Ecumenical Council .

As an altar server I served hundreds , no thousands of Tridentine Masses .

I don't look at those Masses through rose-tinted glasses . Too many of them verged on the sacrilegious . Little wonder they needed reforming .

I have just got back from morning Mass ........ordinary form......in English.......celebrated with reverence ......true devotion......respect from all present .

Give me the ordinary English Mass any day . I hold it in high esteem .

Those who want the Tridentine Mass can have it , but don't expect me to follow you down that road .

Just an observation.......since the introduction of the Ordinary Mass , how many times have you seen a Pope celebrate the Extraordinary Mass ?

 

[St_Barnabus]

I was brought up with the Tridentine Mass years before the liturgy was reformed by the 21st Ecumenical Council .

As an altar server I served hundreds , no thousands of Tridentine Masses .

I don't look at those Masses through rose-tinted glasses . Too many of them verged on the sacrilegious . Little wonder they needed reforming .

I have just got back from morning Mass ........ordinary form......in English.......celebrated with reverence ......true devotion......respect from all present .

Give me the ordinary English Mass any day . I hold it in high esteem .

Those who want the Tridentine Mass can have it , but don't expect me to follow you down that road .

Just an observation.......since the introduction of the Ordinary Mass , how many times have you seen a Pope celebrate the Extraordinary Mass ?

Very well said, Colin! Like you, I attended Catholic School all my life and it was mandatory to attend daily mass prior to beginning our classes. Having experienced the new mass and the wonderful changes, I would NEVER go back to the TLM. Like you, I hold our Ordinary Form in high esteem.

It seems the trad movement comprises many young shavers who never knew the old liturgy and have no basis of comparison. And being young, they haven't quite arrived at having wisdom to know when to keep their opinions to themselves and let others worship as they are called by Christ.

 

[Colin]

Very well said, Colin! Like you, I attended Catholic School all my life and it was mandatory to attend daily mass prior to beginning our classes. Having experienced the new mass and the wonderful changes, I would NEVER go back to the TLM. Like you, I hold our Ordinary Form in high esteem.

It seems the trad movement comprises many young shavers who never knew the old liturgy and have no basis of comparison. And being young, they haven't quite arrived at having wisdom to know when to keep their opinions to themselves and let others worship as they are called by Christ.

In my part of the world the number of young people who attend Tridentine Masses is few and far between .

There is no eagerness to return to the Tridentine Mass .

Since the Ordinary Mass was introduced I can only recall attending one Extraordinary Mass . That was in 2007 . I went to the trouble of going on a bus to a church 25 miles away from home where there was an Extraordinary Mass . Never again .

The Ordinary Mass , which I find to be beautiful and reverential , was a long time in coming , and I thank the Holy Spirit that he inspired the Magisterium to reform and introduce it .

 

[High Fidelity]

I've always wondered if attendees speak Latin. Seems rather odd if they don't because while it may be beautiful, I don't really see the point if I don't understand it.

 

[RKO]

Many years ago I started attending TLM, mostly because I missed out on it as a child and find it stunningly beautiful. I even became a server for the mass. I don't attend as much these days, but I will always find it to be the most beautiful prayer to God in existence. At least IMO.

 

[MikeK]

I've always wondered if attendees speak Latin. Seems rather odd if they don't because while it may be beautiful, I don't really see the point if I don't understand it.

You learn to understand it after a while, but most never learn to speak it. You follow along in a missal with Latin on the left page and the vernacular on the right. The responses, along with cartoons of what the Priest is doing while he says certain phrases help to keep you from getting lost.

 

[Azureknight 773]

I'm not one of those overly zealous TLMers but I do for one love the TLM/Extraordinary Form. It is so solemn and if given the Missa Cantata setting in Missa de Angelis with the right choir and organ player, one may feel like he or she has gone from Earth to Heaven.

 

[Michie]

How did the mass border on sacrilegious?

I was brought up with the Tridentine Mass years before the liturgy was reformed by the 21st Ecumenical Council .

As an altar server I served hundreds , no thousands of Tridentine Masses .

I don't look at those Masses through rose-tinted glasses . Too many of them verged on the sacrilegious . Little wonder they needed reforming .

I have just got back from morning Mass ........ordinary form......in English.......celebrated with reverence ......true devotion......respect from all present .

Give me the ordinary English Mass any day . I hold it in high esteem .

Those who want the Tridentine Mass can have it , but don't expect me to follow you down that road .

Just an observation.......since the introduction of the Ordinary Mass , how many times have you seen a Pope celebrate the Extraordinary Mass ?

 

[RKO]

You learn to understand it after a while, but most never learn to speak it. You follow along in a missal with Latin on the left page and the vernacular on the right. The responses, along with cartoons of what the Priest is doing while he says certain phrases help to keep you from getting lost.

There is an old legend among the LAtin Mass crowd that the Angels step in and help the lay people learn the Latin. When I decided I wanted to serve the mass, I knew that, having zero background in any kind of Latin, I may end up saying it phonetically and not knowing what I was saying.
The pronunciation and the meaning behind it came almost instantly as I began to read it, and then serve the mass. I was truly amazed by how quickly I understood the entire mass.

 

[RKO]

How did the mass border on sacrilegious?

I don't want to speak for Colin, but one problem seems to have been that many people attend the mass as a performance, rather than what it is. They sort of sit back (or kneel) and take in the smells and bells and may not be exactly in tune with what's happening. Another issue especially before V II, was that lay people would actually sit and pray the rosary or something while mass was going on. Not that praying the rosary is a bad thing, but when someone decides to do that instead of being plugged into the mass, it can be a distraction.

 

[Michie]

Ah, I see. Yes I was taught we are to participate in the mass not have it as background or atmosphere for doing whatever one decides to do in the pew.

I don't want to speak for Colin, but one problem seems to have been that many people attend the mass as a performance, rather than what it is. They sort of sit back (or kneel) and take in the smells and bells and may not be exactly in tune with what's happening. Another issue especially before V II, was that lay people would actually sit and pray the rosary or something while mass was going on. Not that praying the rosary is a bad thing, but when someone decides to do that instead of being plugged into the mass, it can be a distraction.

 

[Colin]

How did the mass border on sacrilegious?

Speaking of the Masses I served as an altar boy........priests mumbling through prayers ........just getting the "routine" over with as quickly as possible......once a priest beckoned to me and asked whether we had had the consecration......I hadn't a clue , so I just said "Yes"........I once served a priests' three masses in the chapel in the presbytery on Christmas Day......it didn't take half an hour for him to get through all three masses .

The priest and server were distant from the congregation , and the people in church were unaware of how the Mass was actually being celebrated .......and we as altar servers didn't really care.....we wanted to be out playing or doing other things which boys enjoyed doing .

The people in the congregation were probably being more reverent.......praying ......aware that something awesome was happening before them , even though it was , unknown to them , often being done in a shabby way .

 

[thecolorsblend]

Some radtrads treat the Extraordinary Form with an almost ideological type of hard line. "Everything else is hell-bound!!" They do have a point on a few things... but acknowledging that publicly seems to embolden them to be obnoxious about their entire platform. I have to believe they mean well but they simply haven't articulated their message all that well.

That said, one lasting legacy of Pope Benedict XVI's papacy is a type of liturgical free market. He expanded use of the EF and even more esoteric stuff like Anglican Use. If you (in a general, universal sense) simply cannot get into the NO Mass, there are some very solid alternatives out there and there will only be more as the years go by; time is on your side. I view this as a positive thing.