What is Science?

[Justatruthseeker]

If the Bible says that plants came about before the Sun appeared, would that prove the Bible wrong since science has the Sun appearing before plants?

I asked you in another post you failed to answer and avoided.

Why should we translate "hayah" incorrectly???????


http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1961.htm

The earth "became - hayah" desolate and waste, and darkness "became - hayah" upon.....

I told you then.

You are right that they are wrong, but wrong as to the reason you are right.

You are right because they translate hayah incorrectly, but wrong because you do as well.

 

[justlookinla]

Most scientists would say that "science is a way of knowing".

Ok.

 

[Chris B]

"Science is organized common sense where many a beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact." - Thomas Henry Huxley

It's chief notable feature (not practiced fully or perfectly, but that's human beings for you) is its facility for self-criticism and self-correction. This, in my personal view is the weak spot of any rival approaches claiming better access to fact and truth.

It's approach to truth can be likened partly to the artist's sketch, which is gradually refined, and partly to the sculptor's approach, as of Landseer carving lions by taking a stone block and "knocking off everything that isn't a lion."

 

[In situ]

Most scientists would say that "science is a way of knowing".

No they wouldn't. Science is just a bunch of theories that they try to prove wrong all the time. The guys doing this is called scientist.

 

[In situ]

"Science is organized common sense where many a beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact." - Thomas Henry Huxley

Huxley were wrong. If science was common sense then we would not need science. Religion is based common on sense and that is why it is wrong.

 

[In situ]

That is what I do, I try to use science to prove the Bible wrong. So far I have not found anything in all of science to prove the Bible wrong. Just the opposite, again and again science has verified what the Bible says is true.

All of science? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are funny!

 

[In situ]

You think Moses is so stupid that he would have plants with no sun? I can assure you he is smarter then that. We know a lot about Moses. There is a lot of details about him in the Bible. We know about his mom, his brother, his sister, his father in law, his wife. There are a lot to the story about him. Once he got in a fight with his wife and sent her home to her father. The father then visited Moses and got it all straightened out and talked Moses into taking his wife back again. We know these people and we know the story of their lives.

Yes, yes, yes, but this is not the forum for bible studies, but science. You know, about the guys that tries to prove themselves wrong all the time by study reality instead of the bible...

 

[In situ]

It can't.

Therefore AV concludes reality must be wrong since the bible is right?

 

[AV1611VET]

Therefore AV concludes reality must be wrong since the bible is right?

Where reality disagrees with the Bible, reality is wrong.

 

[In situ]

Where reality disagrees with the Bible, reality is wrong.

I know this is your position AV, I just wanted to make clear for everyone that it still is. I sometimes wonder if you even think reality exists or regard it as some kind of illusion - like made up by Satan or something?

 

[Jimmy D]

Our amazing piece of literature calls it a 'serpent'.

It was a beast of the field that lost its legs.

Probably a dragon, IMO.

Your favourite translation calls it a serpent, which is a synonym for a snake. No need to fantasize about dragons.

 

[In situ]

Our amazing piece of literature calls it a 'serpent'.

It was a beast of the field that lost its legs.

Probably a dragon, IMO.

What ever you call it, snakes, serpents, or unicorns. Science knows quiet a lot about vocal cords and how they are able to produce sounds. None of these creature has a vocal cord that even remotely can produce sounds like human sounds. Not even a chimpanzee can utter human sounds. Scientists even quarrel about whether neanderthal could produce the same sounds we can. So how is the story about a snake that can talk in agreement with biology? How are sticks that turns into snakes in agreement with biology? How are the creation of man from clay/dust in agreement with biology? How is the claim that all living are separate kinds in agreement with biology?

Oh, I know now! Biology is not science!

 

[In situ]

Which came first, in your opinion?

The miracle or its evidence?

Reality came first, then man came around and asked questions about it - some making less sense than others.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, yes, yes, but this is not the forum for bible studies, but science. You know, about the guys that tries to prove themselves wrong all the time by study reality instead of the bible...

We are talking about Creation Science. A lot of science is based on the evidence that we have that God has given us. He created us to be able to understand His creation. Also He made His creation so we could understand it. He created the Laws that Science studies and they even call them the laws of science. He did a work in man to give him wisdom and knowledge so that man is able to understand biology, chemistry, physics and all the rest of it. In Gen 2:7 we read: " And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." In Science we know that what the Bible tells us is exactly true. God formed man from the elements that are all in the ground. That is why we eat the plants because the plants take the elements out of the ground that our body needs. What we do not understand is the breath of life. We understand living soul because animals are living soul. It is Job that tells us that there is a spirit in man, the inspiration of God is what gives us understanding. Yet there are people that deny the very God that gives them understanding. As Christians we wonder just how much understanding these people have that deny God. Because so much of science is based on wisdom, knowledge and understanding that comes from Christians, not non Christians.

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration H5397 of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Science knows quiet a lot about vocal cords and how they are able to produce sounds.

My 17 year old son knows a lot more about sound then I do. He was telling me about the science they teach them in the 10th grade is a lot more advanced then what they were teaching me back then.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Reality came first, then man came around and asked questions about it - some making less sense than others.

Reality by definition is to form an opinion or supposition about (something) on the basis of incomplete information. As Einstein shows us all is relative. We can look at the world from our perspective, God in the Bible tries to show us the world from His perspective. We are on the inside looking out, He is on the outside looking in. One multiverse theory is that God is the force that unites all the many universes. Do you have a better theory on what unites the infinite number of universes? If your going to have a concept of infinity then you can not deny God because that is exactly what He represents. Apart from God everything is finite. Man can destroy himself apart from God. It is God that unites us and gives us life. Man can only scatter. So God is pro life. He says to choose life, health, blessings and prosperity. Yet the option remains to choose death, destruction, curse, sickness and poverty. Each and every individual has to make that choice.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, yes, yes, but this is not the forum for bible studies, but science.

God created Science. God gave us the natural record and the evidence that science studies. When you study science you study what God gives us to study. You use the understanding that God gives us. As Sagan says: We are star stuff. We are made up of the very exact same elements that makes up the universe. God made us to be able to understand the Universe that He created us from. "As the cloud of cosmic dust and gases from the Big Bang cooled, stars formed, and these then grouped together to form galaxies. The other 86 elements found in nature were created in nuclear reactions in these stars and in huge stellar explosions known as supernovae." We are more a product of the energy that was created then the elements themselves. Light and sound and so on are all forms of energy. The plants take the light from the sun and convert is so that we can then sustain ourselves with the energy found in stars or our sun.

 

[AV1611VET]

I know this is your position AV, I just wanted to make clear for everyone that it still is. I sometimes wonder if you even think reality exists or regard it as some kind of illusion - like made up by Satan or something?

The physical realm has its place in reality -- as does the spiritual realm.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your favourite translation calls it a serpent, which is a synonym for a snake.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

No need to fantasize about dragons.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

[AV1611VET]

None of these creature has a vocal cord that even remotely can produce sounds like human sounds.

They didn't need to.

All they had to do was grunt.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.