2 more school (college) shootings right now. Texas and Arizona.

[tadoflamb]

No what is a little odd is that anti-gun folks want to take guns out of law abiding hands, while allowing criminals to have all the guns they want.

My duty to society is to take care of my family and protect them. I also filled my duty to this society when I took up weapons to protect it as a Marine. My son is now in the marines to fulfill his duty to society.

I don't want to take your guns out of your hands. The criminal element is already doing a great job at that. What I want is for the gun loving community to exhibit just a modicum of responsibility.

I'm so sick of today's gun culture, my wife and I have decided together we'd rather be victims of gun violence than perpetrators of it.

No one's going to steal our guns.

 

[tadoflamb]

Out of every law breaker with a gun, there are 1000s of law-abiders with guns. So you establish laws, who are going to follow them? Law breakers or law abiders?

Every person I know personally owns some form of firearm. Every single person. Yet I know no one personally who has killed another person with a gun. I know of no one personally who doesn't follow the hunting laws.

Growing up in Montana everyone I knew too had a some sort of firearm. And we didn't kill anyone either nor did we violate any game laws. This is why I'm outraged at so many displays of irresponsible gun ownership. It never used to be this way. The only thing I can figure is the gun producers and those buy them have created this sick culture.

I yearn for the days when guns were just something we owned. We didn't have to glorify them or take pictures of ourselves with them and we didn't need to march through Bernice's Bakery with them. We just owned them.

 

[tadoflamb]

There are plenty of countries you can move to get your wish. So move.

How unAmerican.

I'm merely expressing my constitutional right to Freedom of Speech.

And no one is getting shot because of it.

 

[Erose]

I don't want to take your guns out of your hands. The criminal element is already doing a great job at that. What I want is for the gun loving community to exhibit just a modicum of responsibility.

I'm so sick of today's gun culture, my wife and I have decided together we'd rather be victims of gun violence than perpetrators of it.

No one's going to steal our guns.

Good for you live as a victim. You have that right to do so; don't ask me to do it.

Besides what responsibility do I have because a mentally ill person decided to kill someone. Until you can prove that guns either make people insane or force people to become killers, you don't have an argument.

 

[Erose]

Europe has several healthcare systems, not a single one, and yes, some of them are demonstrably better. Longer life expectancy, lower rates of death to mother or child during and following birth, lower rates of preventable disease.

Mental illness cannot be said to be the root of America's gun crime problem, the vast majority of murderers in the USA are committed by people who are not insane.

So what are we talking about here? Huh? Guns are evil? At what point do objects make moral decisions? The root is the overall lack of morality and selfishness of the people of this country, what the popes and the bishops have been calling a culture of death. That is the root.

If someone is intending to kill someone, you think not having a gun is going to keep them from doing so?

 

[Erose]

I'm sorry but have you any proof or relevant statistics or data for that assertion? Any example you may draw from?
I don't see car bombs increasing in any country with gun control?

I certainly support and believe that other societal evils should be fixed but those things are incredibly complex and take a huge amount of time.

And I don't see support that guns have the ability to force a person to become a mass murderer either; or that a gun is a requirement to commit mass murder.

 

[Erose]

How unAmerican.

I'm merely expressing my constitutional right to Freedom of Speech.

And no one is getting shot because of it.

You have the ability to have that Constitutional right because some have been willing to take up arms to first start this country, and to defend this country.

If you don't like this country, you also have the freedom to go somewhere else, as well.

So what is unAmerican is someone who wants to trash the Constitution so that they can feel like they tried something.

 

[Erose]

I haven't seen any Drivers Ed instructors letting a 9 year old drive, thus demonstrating that AZ driving instructors exhibit more common sense than AZ firing range instructors.

Can you think of any good reason to let a 9 year old girl fire an Uzi?

I can't.

I'm active in 4-H shooting sports, and we have kids as young as nine shooting shotguns, rifles, and bows; and we don't have anyone getting shot in the head.

But I have seen people let their young kids drive their vehicles, so do you think we should ban cars.

 

[Erose]

Well, criminals have to get their guns from somewhere.

If gun owners can't exhibit enough responsibility to keep their guns from getting stolen, perhaps they shouldn't have them.

No one stole my guns when I owned them.

Besides, like I said, your gun makes you a target for criminal activity.

Criminals can get guns whenever they want. There is a fine black market out there for guns. But then again when you take guns away from law-abiding citizens those criminals won't really need guns anymore will they? Just go after the weak.

 

[Erose]

Growing up in Montana everyone I knew too had a some sort of firearm. And we didn't kill anyone either nor did we violate any game laws. This is why I'm outraged at so many displays of irresponsible gun ownership. It never used to be this way. The only thing I can figure is the gun producers and those buy them have created this sick culture.

I yearn for the days when guns were just something we owned. We didn't have to glorify them or take pictures of ourselves with them and we didn't need to march through Bernice's Bakery with them. We just owned them.

This sick culture is due to the culture of death, that our pope's and bishops have been warning us about. If as a society we have no issues killing the weakest and most vulnerable, you don't think that isn't filtering into the rest of society?

You removing guns from society isn't going to change that.

 

[stray bullet]

Besides, like I said, your gun makes you a target for criminal activity.

Totally. Criminals love breaking into homes with guns because of the thrill of getting killed.

 

[tadoflamb]

Good for you live as a victim. You have that right to do so; don't ask me to do it.

Besides what responsibility do I have because a mentally ill person decided to kill someone. Until you can prove that guns either make people insane or force people to become killers, you don't have an argument.

I don't live as a victim, I refuse to live in fear.

That's why I'm not hiding behind my gun collection.

Just as a Catholic, I'm responsible for the whole of the Church. That's why I subject myself every three years to another background check. I've never molested anyone, why should I be responsible for what some sick priests did?

That's what kills me about the die-hard gun crowd. They must be blinded by their muzzle flashes and can't see past their own nose.

It's today's gun culture which make killers think guns are cool. The messages are repeated over and over. As an example, I bought a pair of binoculars from an online optics company. The next day I received an email from them with a nasty looking pistol with an even nastier looking laser sight on it, declaring "Everyone needs one of these".

I certainly don't need one and I refuse to do business with someone who thinks I do.

This message is obviously pointed at people who can't think straight.

 

[Erose]

I don't live as a victim, I refuse to live in fear.

That's why I'm not hiding behind my gun collection.

Just as a Catholic, I'm responsible for the whole of the Church. That's why I subject myself every three years to another background check. I've never molested anyone, why should I be responsible for what some sick priests did?

That's what kills me about the die-hard gun crowd. They must be blinded by their muzzle flashes and can't see past their own nose.

It's today's gun culture which make killers think guns are cool. The messages are repeated over and over. As an example, I bought a pair of binoculars from an online optics company. The next day I received an email from them with a nasty looking pistol with an even nastier looking laser sight on it, declaring "Everyone needs one of these".

I certainly don't need one and I refuse to do business with someone who thinks I do.

This message is obviously pointed at people who can't think straight.

So how do guns make people insane, or force their users to kill people?

 

[Fantine]

This sick culture is due to the culture of death, that our pope's and bishops have been warning us about. If as a society we have no issues killing the weakest and most vulnerable, you don't think that isn't filtering into the rest of society?

You removing guns from society isn't going to change that.

Except that you've got it backwards.

Abortion is, as a film once depicted it, a "silent scream." Were it not for the pro-life movement, it wouldn't even enter our consciousness.

School shootings, on the other hand, garner huge amounts of publicity that continues, as in Sandy Hook, for years and years as the astonished parents of the victims can't believe the callousness of a violent, gun-obsessed society that is willing to let these shootings continue over and over.

The post-birth violence we see daily--wars in the Middle East, refugees in Syria, genocide victims in Africa, immigrant children turned away in the U.S., schoolchildren slain at their desks--that's the culture of death that has resulted in callousness towards abortion.

If Americans can shrug their shoulders at refugees, genocide victims, and slain children, what makes you think they're going to shed tears at the sight of a sonogram picture?

 

[Fantine]

I have difficulty understand how people think banning guns is a solution to a problem of mental illness. There are crazy but intelligent enough people out there that want to kill. Guns are very precise tools.

There are far better, less precise and more impersonal methods of killing people.

I have difficulty seeing how all the conservative politicians who blame these massacres on mental illness instead of guns vote over and over and over and over again to deny the mentally ill the medical care they need--by repealing the Affordable Care Act, cutting veterans' funding, throwing people off the Medicaid rolls, etc.

They are quick to pass the buck by saying "it's mental illness" and quick to veto spending any bucks on treating the mentally ill.

And if you see the hypocrisy of their actions, for heaven's sake write and call them!

 

[dogs4thewin]

Why would we need to have guns in our schools, beyond the ocasional police officer that we have now? Is that what our peer countries with exceptionally lower murder rates are doing?

You know it is funny, ( not the shootings), but it is funny how these shootings always seem to happen in gun free zones). If guns were the problem then why do people not shoot up shooting ranges, police stations, or places where it is otherwise known there will likely be guns?

In addition, if it is a gun problem then how is it that this started recently (when you compare how old this country is and yet we have ALWAYS had the second amendment.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I just scanned the stories and it seems that at least one resulted from a fight, as opposed to just random. Not that that makes a difference in terms of the pain of the family, BUT if the person was provoked then it was really more likely to happen anyway gun or no gun.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I have difficulty seeing how all the conservative politicians who blame these massacres on mental illness instead of guns vote over and over and over and over again to deny the mentally ill the medical care they need--by repealing the Affordable Care Act, cutting veterans' funding, throwing people off the Medicaid rolls, etc.

They are quick to pass the buck by saying "it's mental illness" and quick to veto spending any bucks on treating the mentally ill.

And if you see the hypocrisy of their actions, for heaven's sake write and call them!

I will not say that ALL are related to mental illness. I DO say, however, that gun control is NOT the answer just do the math.

 

[Fantine]

You know it is funny, ( not the shootings), but it is funny how these shootings always seem to happen in gun free zones). If guns were the problem then why do people not shoot up shooting ranges, police stations, or places where it is otherwise known there will likely be guns?

Under Oregon law, guns are allowed on all Oregon campuses, but only if the carriers have concealed carry permits.

http://www.onenewspage.us/video/20151007/3398315/Guns-allowed-on-Oregon-campuses.htm

It is true, of course, that statistically, the more educated people are the less likely they are to feel the need to own guns.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Conspiracy? False flag? Secret Muslims?

Maybe at this point I mean this is THREE in two weeks.