Why do some believers of Christ feel the bible is withou error?

[OzSpen]

You mean because the words aren't found there?

One does not have to find the exact words there to be able to affirm the inerrancy of Scripture, just as one does not have to see the exact word, Trinity, to affirm the doctrine of the Trinity.

I note that you ignored commenting on the rest of my post which was: 'See my article, The Bible’s support for inerrancy of the originals. This is only a starter for evidence'. You don't seem to want to deal with the biblical evidence in support of inerrancy. Seems as though it is pointless continuing a discussion when you filter the evidence I write.

See 'Proof inerrancy is historical/biblical'.

I doubt if he saw it as 'encouraging.' It was not that long of a paragraph to begin with.

Have you checked with him and what was his response? Or are you simply guessing?

 

[smaneck]

One does not have to find the exact words there to be able to affirm the inerrancy of Scripture, just as one does not have to see the exact word, Trinity, to affirm the doctrine of the Trinity.

One can certainly affirm both things as doctrine, but it does establish both concepts to be extra-biblical.

I note that you ignored commenting on the rest of my post which was: 'See my article, The Bible’s support for inerrancy of the originals.

Here is the thing. I think the notion of 'originals' would be anachronistic concept for the biblical authors.

This is only a starter for evidence'. You don't seem to want to deal with the biblical evidence in support of inerrancy.

I don't intend to read links, no. If things like inerrancy and the trinity are biblical concepts the words themselves should be found in the Bible. Otherwise they are human interpretations by definition.

 

[OzSpen]

I don't intend to read links, no. If things like inerrancy and the trinity are biblical concepts the words themselves should be found in the Bible. Otherwise they are human interpretations by definition.

Scripture states:
Psalm 12:6 (NIV), 'And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times'.

Psalm 18:30 (NIV), 'As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him'

Proverbs 30:5 (NIV), 'Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him'.

What do these 3 verses teach about the nature of Scripture/the Word of God?

Oz

 

[Albion]

The conclusion IS the same.

As I said, there's not a lot more I can say after I state and explain a different conclusion.

 

[fatboys]

I have to smile. I find that those who believe the bible is perfect means that if it was not perfrct they could no longer believe I Christ. There is such a thing as common sense. Explain to me how your faith would lessen in a imperfect bible. I believe the. Book of Mormon is the word of God but it is not perfect. But it is closer to the pure intent of the authors than the bible is. It hadn't been copied and copied as was the bible. It was also translated by the gift and pose of God. But that does not mean it is without error. I'm not trying to force an square peg in a round hole.

 

[smaneck]

Scripture states:
Psalm 12:6 (NIV), 'And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times'.

Psalm 18:30 (NIV), 'As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him'

Proverbs 30:5 (NIV), 'Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him'.

What do these 3 verses teach about the nature of Scripture/the Word of God?

Oz

Nothing because ultimately Jesus is the Word of God not a text. And yes, He is flawless, infallible and inerrant. At least in the spiritual and moral sense.

 

[smaneck]

I believe the. Book of Mormon is the word of God but it is not perfect. But it is closer to the pure intent of the authors than the bible is. It hadn't been copied and copied as was the bible.

Really? Then how did Mormon get it? Isn't it supposed to be a multi-author work like the Bible?

 

[drstevej]

It was also translated by the gift and pose of God. But that does not mean it is without error. I'm not trying to force an square peg in a round hole.

No need to study greek and hebrew if ya have a rock and a hat

And the proof is a subjective warm fuzzy feeling.

 

[fatboys]

Really? Then how did Mormon get it? Isn't it supposed to be a multi-author work like the Bible?

Mormon abridged the records onto Gold Plates. Through inspiration he just gave us a readers digest version. There are many authors.

 

[fatboys]

No need to study greek and hebrew if ya have a rock and a hat

And the proof is a subjective warm fuzzy feeling.

And how do you know Christ is the savior?

 

[smaneck]

Mormon abridged the records onto Gold Plates. Through inspiration he just gave us a readers digest version. There are many authors.

So his abridgment is inspired but that of those who decided on the biblical canon were not inspired?

 

[smaneck]

Have you checked with him and what was his response? Or are you simply guessing?

He already told you that he found your suggesting that he 'learn to write in paragraphs' insulting.

 

[Robban]

Most Christians speak of believers and non believers,
I think Christians have gone into a dead end street,
They emphasize faith, you have to have faith,
And though faith is the root,
Many have faith.

In their own texts it says somewhere, something like,
Even the -----(fill in the blanks) Believe in God, and shiver of fright.

Can faith disperse fear?
Most of the texts have "Do not fear" in them somewhere,
Texts that are speaking to people who have faith.
What is the Point of
saying "Do not fear" to one who is not fearful.

To have faith is the first step,
I Believe in God, one God, one true God,
I Believe He is Almighty,
He can do as He desires,
All is possible,
He is not limited by the laws of nature,
and so on.

If it stops there, with who He is, what He can do and what He has done.
Then there is every reason to fear.

But to go a step further and trust in Him that He wills good, because it is His will,
that however dire the situation may seem, it is for the good, it will be good,
because that is His will, He will make good even our mistakes,
So faith is the root, trust is trusting in what He will do, and it is going to be good,
because He wills it.

Instead of looking for errors, trust in Him that it will be good.

 

[fatboys]

He already told you that he found your suggesting that he 'learn to write in paragraphs' insulting.

Mormon was a prophet who God had told to abridge the record for our day

 

[fatboys]

So his abridgment is inspired but that of those who decided on the biblical canon were not inspired?

No they were not inspired. There were writings that were not included that were taught many important truths. Instead of a prophet whom God could speak through they had to vote on it and they fought over what should be included. That is not inspiration.

 

[Zstar]

Mormon was a prophet who God had told to abridge the record for our day

Sounds like you and Bahia have a lot in common to me. What do you think?

 

[Zstar]

Thing is about this inquiry is, for me, did Jesus speak Greek or Hebrew natively.

Oz - could you please give more information in this regards with so many books and studies?

I think Jesus could speak in the Natives but to me the assertions of the Greek or Hebrew as the ultimate source as an ultimate of this as language of God you have to show me so.

I'm willing to learn something different, are you?

 

[smaneck]

No they were not inspired. There were writings that were not included that were taught many important truths. Instead of a prophet whom God could speak through they had to vote on it and they fought over what should be included. That is not inspiration.

Doesn't your Council of 12 vote? God can't inspire through the electoral process?

 

[smaneck]

Thing is about this inquiry is, for me, did Jesus speak Greek or Hebrew natively.

Probably Aramaic.

 

[smaneck]

Sounds like you and Bahia have a lot in common to me. What do you think?

LOL. Except our Prophets don't usually abridge texts, they reveal them.