Some things I just don't think most of you understand...

[joshua 1 9]

Yes we have moved on from Darwin, we haven't moved back to Genesis.

Do you mean that science has not found it's way back to Genesis yet. They will, but for now it amazes me that with their brilliant mind they still have not figure out something that is so easy and simple to understand.

 

[paulm50]

And belief in God is presented as a belief. So called science was presented as fact and science. Big difference.

Yes, science is facts and can be proved, so there is no need for belief in the invisible.

Limiting the universe to the physical only part of natural has been around a long time too. There is more.

Yes. Limiting to only what we can see and prove has been around a long time. The days when priests could exact more gifts to ensure what was going to happen, happened. Are over.

Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. Jews is a derogatory term from the holocaust. I am not quite sure what you mean by 'gor'. If people do not show proper respect then I may not respond to their questions.

If they did they weren't the first humans by a long shot. Sorry about the word Jews, Jewish people good enough? I mis typed the word god.

Do you mean that science has not found it's way back to Genesis yet. They will, but for now it amazes me that with their brilliant mind they still have not figure out something that is so easy and simple to understand.

Yes, they keep finding their way further away from the bible, like how Humans have been here 100,000s of years. I agree with their brilliant minds they don't accept the easy and simple. Preferring the truth they can back with evidence.

 

[Zosimus]

Yes, science is facts and can be proved, so there is no need for belief in the invisible.

So dark matter is visible? Electrons? Neutrinos?
Or are these things science doesn't believe in?

 

[paulm50]

So dark matter is visible? Electrons? Neutrinos?
Or are these things science doesn't believe in?

Yes if you have the right equipment. How do you think they exist to give them names?

We leave that to the religious, they have the experience.

Sorry mate you opened that door.

 

[Zosimus]

How do you think they exist to give them names?

WTH does that mean? Everything that has a name exists? Is that the argument?

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolution has yet to show two extremely important things:

--How life began in the first place (the typical response will be, "that's abiogenesis not evolution" instead of just conceding they do not know)

If a supernatural deity created the first cell, and all life we see now evolved from that first cell, then the theory of evolution would be unchanged.

Are you going to reject the Germ Theory of Disease until we know of a pathway for abiogenesis that could be the first ancestors of germs? Or could it be that we can determine proximal causes without needing to know ultimate origins?

--Where humans fit in evolution (there is no plausible explanation as to what mutations or feats of evolution transformed our ancestors to us in such a rapid time period)

What is not plausible about it? We are separated from chimps by 40 million mutations, and among those differences are the mutations that led to us. Or are you saying that the physical differences between humans and chimps has nothing to do with our DNA?

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you mean that science has not found it's way back to Genesis yet. They will, but for now it amazes me that with their brilliant mind they still have not figure out something that is so easy and simple to understand.

What evidence would lead them to separate creations and the like?

 

[Loudmouth]

So dark matter is visible? Electrons? Neutrinos?
Or are these things science doesn't believe in?

Dark matter is as visible as gravity.

 

[paulm50]

WTH does that mean? Everything that has a name exists? Is that the argument?

I'm saying scientist don't invent things and give them names. Very often. Because it's a very competitive field and a lot of fame is earned by bringing down a false theory.

Research how evolution is happening today. How it has changed humans in the last few 1,000 years. How it changes so many species today. Evolution is happening, it can't be denied. Maybe a god kicked off the big bang, started the first cell, gave an ape a bigger, better brain. We're on the verge of being able to do that now. We can manipulate evolution and have done unknowingly.

Evolution isn't a theory when scientists can create designer babies of many species, when our pets and food are designed. It's a profession.

 

[Zosimus]

Dark matter is as visible as gravity.

Gravity is not visible at all.

 

[Loudmouth]

Gravity is not visible at all.

So it doesn't exist?

X-rays are not visible. Do they exist?

 

[Zosimus]

I'm saying scientist don't invent things and give them names.

They invented dark matter, and then named it, didn't they?

Research how evolution is happening today. How it has changed humans in the last few 1,000 years. How it changes so many species today. Evolution is happening, it can't be denied.

Relevance? None. No one denies that there are genetic differences between a child and his parents. However, if you put a few Christians and atheists together and ask whether that evolution is micro or macro, then you'll get an argument.

Maybe a god kicked off the big bang, started the first cell, gave an ape a bigger, better brain. We're on the verge of being able to do that now. We can manipulate evolution and have done unknowingly.

This is not hard. Every time you kill an animal or breed one, you are changing the frequency of alleles within that species from one generation to the next. Again I ask: Relevance?

Evolution isn't a theory when scientists can create designer babies of many species, when our pets and food are designed. It's a profession.

Evolution is a profession? Is that your argument?

 

[Zosimus]

So it doesn't exist?

X-rays are not visible. Do they exist?

The originator said that science does not believe in things that are invisible.

Does science believe in X-rays?
Are X-rays visible?

Stay on topic.

 

[Larniavc]

So dark matter is visible? Electrons? Neutrinos?
Or are these things science doesn't believe in?

All of these things have been detected.

 

[bhsmte]

Do you mean that science has not found it's way back to Genesis yet. They will, but for now it amazes me that with their brilliant mind they still have not figure out something that is so easy and simple to understand.

If it is so simple, maybe you can help us understand, with some evidence?

 

[Loudmouth]

They invented dark matter, and then named it, didn't they?

No more so than Newton invented gravity and named it.

Relevance? None. No one denies that there are genetic differences between a child and his parents. However, if you put a few Christians and atheists together and ask whether that evolution is micro or macro, then you'll get an argument.

I would fully agree that the simple process of mutation is not evolution by itself. The accumulation of some mutations and the disappearance of other mutations over several generations is evolution.

This is not hard. Every time you kill an animal or breed one, you are changing the frequency of alleles within that species from one generation to the next. Again I ask: Relevance?

Combined with the cumulative efforts of all dog breeds, look at how much they have changed over just the last 500 years.

Evolution is a profession? Is that your argument?

Evolution is a tool that some professional breeders use in the same way that cooks use chemistry.

 

[Zosimus]

All of these things have been detected.

Relevance? None.

 

[Loudmouth]

Relevance? None.

Avoidance? 100%.

 

[Zosimus]

No more so than Newton invented gravity and named it.

Newton was not a scientist.

Combined with the cumulative efforts of all dog breeds, look at how much they have changed over just the last 500 years.

So intelligent beings who act can design dogs. Therefore, all life as we know it came about through natural selection without any intelligent design.

 

[Zosimus]

Avoidance? 100%.

It's just not relevant. The person in question said that science does not believe in INVISIBLE things. He did not say that science didn't believe in undetectable things.

Get a dictionary and look both words up.