Nuclear deal with Iran - good or bad?

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Hamas is not Shi'a, first of all.

Secondly, what about the Shi'a terrorists supporting Assad (another type of Shi'a terrorist)?

Oh they aren't? Yeah the shia terrorist who support assad.. secular reasons. Like I stated.
ISIS maybe but "All Sunni based guys"? Provide the proof if you're truthful.

Maybe they just want you to stop meddling in their affairs, starting with stop propping up dictators and supporting coups.

I guess I should learn to word things better. I meant most. But most sunni based terrorist networks seem to have the same problem. Taliban are quite secular in their desires. They want the political and territorial control they lost after our invasion. I am curious what will happen when we pull out of there, because I don't think the drug warlords are going to give up all they gained to the Taliban.
 
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"...the Arabs at least will suspect the truth: that the Americans have taken the Shia Muslim side in the Middle East’s sectarian war."

Iran Nuclear Deal: America Has Taken Iran's Side

This would frustrate me were it not for Islaam:

And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. (Surah al-Anfal 8:30)

And be patient, [O Muhammad], and your patience is not but through Allah . And do not grieve over them and do not be in distress over what they conspire. Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good. (Surah an-Nahl 16:127)
 
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Whoa. Just this page alone has so many inaccuracies that I'm finding it hard where to begin.

begin anywhere.

No, they just use chemical weapons on entire villages and commit genocide.

Where ?.I don't see any shias committing terror acts in western or other nonmuslim countries in the name of Allah. What Syria's Assad did to sunni terrorists is not relevant in this discussion.

You have already proven time and time again that you know very little about Islaam and the politics in the Muslim world despite your big claims. Maybe you should just keep quiet until you learn more.

May be you should actually poiont out my mistakes instead of making big claims. I won't entertain any sweeping statements .

Why is Turkey a much bigger problem to the West?

Turkey society (Sunni) are on the verge of becoming a full blown Jihadi state but for the secular Army. As is with the case of Egypt Army is the only one stopping it.

Hamas is not Shi'a, first of all.

I said several times Hamas is not shia and hence Iran is not particularly bothered with them as with shia hezbollah. why did you bring that up ?

Secondly, what about the Shi'a terrorists supporting Assad (another type of Shi'a terrorist)?

May they don't want Syria to become a haven for sunni jihadis ?. What other way to stop Jihadi sunni terrorists from overtaking syria ?.



ISIS maybe but "All Sunni based guys"? Provide the proof if you're truthful.

Nearly Every terrorist attack in western countries against nonmuslims is done by sunni terrorists. Sunni terrorists who dream about Allah's virgins.

Maybe they just want you to stop meddling in their affairs, starting with stop propping up dictators and supporting coups.

Meddling I agree. Look what the USA did to saddam and what peaceful Iraq became . Sunni jihadis are running a riot there .Saddam snuffed out every Sunni Jihadi wanting to emulate muhammad.
 
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Oh they aren't? Yeah the shia terrorist who support assad.. secular reasons. Like I stated.

Nope, they're Sunnis. Shi'as might support them because Shi'as claim to love Palestine (not much has come of their claims except from Lebanon. Iran has been mainly all talk. Assad is oppressing Palestinians within Syria) but they're Sunnis. They distanced themselves from Assad after he started massacring the Syrians.

What was the reason for Iran and Lebanon to gang up with Assad against the Sunnis? If it was secular in nature, then why would different Shi'a countries be helping each other to terrorize and commit genocide against the Sunnis? Why do they support Iraqi Shi'a death squads and terrorize the Sunnis there as well (to which we turn a blind eye because hey, at least they're fighting ISIS)? Why are they supporting the brutal Houthis in Yemen? They're definitely not secular. And even if it was, how is secular terrorism better than religious terrorism?

I guess I should learn to word things better. I meant most. But most sunni based terrorist networks seem to have the same problem. Taliban are quite secular in their desires. They want the political and territorial control they lost after our invasion. I am curious what will happen when we pull out of there, because I don't think the drug warlords are going to give up all they gained to the Taliban.

I think the root of most, if not all, of the problems is the foreign policy of varying governments dealing with the Muslim world. Think about it: how often is any country in South America (ruled and inhabited by mainly non-Muslims) attacked by Sunni Muslims vs. countries that have been messing up the Muslim world (e.g. the Belfour Declaration and the carving up of the Muslim countries to form small, nationalistic nations as opposed to a big, unified Muslim nation as it was before more than it is now)?
 
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American politics always seems to lead us to support the underdog every single time. Shia are the minority right?
I think the root of most, if not all, of the problems is the foreign policy of varying governments dealing with the Muslim world. Think about it: how often is any country in South America (ruled and inhabited by mainly non-Muslims) attacked by Sunni Muslims vs. countries that have been messing up the Muslim world (e.g. the Belfour Declaration and the carving up of the Muslim countries to form small, nationalistic nations as opposed to a big, unified Muslim nation as it was before more than it is now)?

I would say it is a consistent political/religious and violent game of tag and control since the crusades. Really about land, money, and money, but with undertones of religion as the excuse. So why do they come to america and shoot 4 marines and a sailor? I don't know. maybe because violence is an easier and simpler answer than peacefully undoing 900+ years of hate, animosity, and misunderstanding between two cultures.
 
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I'd really like everyone involved in the discussion to move away from terms like "destroy us". Now, sure, one or two nuclear weapons can do a lot of damage, if they can be delivered to target (which is a whole other issue), but it's not enough to "destroy" anyone other than, perhaps, Vatican city or Monaco. To contemplate "destroying" anyone you need to talk serious nuclear arsenals, with serious, reliable long range delivery systems. If Iran rolled out their first working prototype nuke tomorrow, they'd still be years away from being a threat to anyone.

Here, here....pointing out Iran's nuclear delivery capability is not allowed....such analysis was summarily ignored leading up to the Iraq war.
 
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Here, here....pointing out Iran's nuclear delivery capability is not allowed....such analysis was summarily ignored leading up to the Iraq war.
I asked about it again just before and was instantly accused of spamming.

Apparently all you have to do is build a bomb for it to kill millions of people. Either that, or lay people think a SRBM is something any ammateur with a propane tank and old lawnmower engine can throw together in a weekend.
 
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I am pretty sure Saudi Arabia has more human rights abuses than Iran, and gave us a majority of the 9/11 hijackers.. but they're cool. Iran? They're evil. because of 1979 and those dumb anti-Israel/america holidays.

You know I am noticing a striking difference between shia terrorist and sunni.. shia is more secular in concern.. hamas and the hezzies want the land Israel is on for example. In Iraq.. the shia guys just wanted us to leave.

ISIS and all sunni based guys wants everyone to be muslim.. and not just any muslim.. their kind of muslim. Death or bust.

Broke the code, did you?

Of course, the other part of the code is that the attention of the US government--particularly Congress--is where Netanyahu wants it focused.
 
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Here, here....pointing out Iran's nuclear delivery capability is not allowed....such analysis was summarily ignored leading up to the Iraq war.

Dirty bombs can be cheaply and reliably used by simply shipping them in containers. If Iran chose to gain leverage they can assemble several dirty bombs with conventional explosives topped up with reactor spent fuel and ship to any country.Those bombs serve as an instrument of blackmail.
 
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Dirty bombs can be cheaply and reliably used by simply shipping them in containers. If Iran chose to gain leverage they can assemble several dirty bombs with conventional explosives topped up with reactor spent fuel and ship to any country.Those bombs serve as an instrument of blackmail.
Who are they going to ship them to that doesn't have radiological scanning and customs checks at their ports?
 
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Where ?.I don't see any shias committing terror acts in western or other nonmuslim countries in the name of Allah. What Syria's Assad did to sunni terrorists is not relevant in this discussion.

Why isn't what Shi'a terrorists (like Assad, Iran, or Lebanon) did against Sunni civilians relevant to this discussion? Do only Western or non-Muslim lives matter?

Anyway, aren't you usually a big supporter of Israel and give them a lot of leniency in their atrocities while not granting the same to their opponents? Well, Lebanon (Hezbollah) fights against Israel. They carried out an attack in Bulgaria in 2012 (there are your non-Muslim lives that matter so much more to you).

But really, why would Shi'a terrorists commit terror attacks against the very people who train them (such as Mujahedin-e-Khalq)? Not only are they sometimes trained by the US (albeit secretly), US politicians are paid to speak on their behalf!

May be you should actually poiont out my mistakes instead of making big claims. I won't entertain any sweeping statements .

Here. You. Are.

There were many other times where I didn't address your incorrect knowledge about my religion.

Turkey society (Sunni) are on the verge of becoming a full blown Jihadi state but for the secular Army. As is with the case of Egypt Army is the only one stopping it.

This was someone else's post I was quoting (actually, all of the rest after the last quote were).

Thank God Erdogan cleaned house with the Turkish army (unlike Morsi, unfortunately, who was too kind on many Hosni Mubarak loyalists in the government by pardoning them and allowing them to keep their posts).

I'm so glad Turkey has become more religious and less nationalistic than before, undoing some of the damage that Ataturk inflicted on the Turks.

I said several times Hamas is not shia and hence Iran is not particularly bothered with them as with shia hezbollah. why did you bring that up ?

I was quoting someone else.

May they don't want Syria to become a haven for sunni jihadis ?. What other way to stop Jihadi sunni terrorists from overtaking syria ?.

That explains why they're committing a genocide against the Sunni majority population (with the majority of those exterminated being civilians). Because there is no other way and they prefer to make Syria a haven for Shi'a "jihadis" and are fine with them overtaking Syria.

Nearly Every terrorist attack in western countries against nonmuslims is done by sunni terrorists. Sunni terrorists who dream about Allah's virgins.

No, nearly every terrorist attack in Western countries against non-Muslims is done by Christian terrorists (often belonging to the white supremacist category).

And again, the US is training Shi'a terrorists so why would they bite the hand that's feeding them?

Meddling I agree. Look what the USA did to saddam and what peaceful Iraq became . Sunni jihadis are running a riot there .Saddam snuffed out every Sunni Jihadi wanting to emulate muhammad.

No concern for the Kurds here? They're only a concern when ISIS is killing them?
 
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That fact is the fundamental difference between Sunni and Shia.

....No....it's really not.

The fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shi'as is the giving of Allaah's Attributes to other than Him. Those to whom they give such Attributes to are to their Imaams (who are often respected, pious people for the Sunnis but nothing close to divine) and they actually do believe in a caliphate (well, imamate). They believe that the caliphate belongs to those Imaams (and they believe that the first of them should have been 'Ali, may Allaah be pleased with him, instead of Abu Bakr, may Allaah be pleased with him).
 
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American politics always seems to lead us to support the underdog every single time. Shia are the minority right?

They're the minority but in Syria they rule over the majority and are committing genocide against them (and Iran and Lebanon are supporting Syria in this genocide). So in the case of the underdogs in Syria, America has left them hanging despite supposed red lines regarding chemical weapons. Not just America....much of the world has left them, really. It's why I appreciate Turkey more now than I did 5 years ago even though they're not perfect.

So why do they come to america and shoot 4 marines and a sailor? I don't know. maybe because violence is an easier and simpler answer than peacefully undoing 900+ years of hate, animosity, and misunderstanding between two cultures.

Why do mentally ill people do this?
 
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Why isn't what Shi'a terrorists (like Assad, Iran, or Lebanon) did against Sunni civilians relevant to this discussion? ...

Because the sunnis want to kill nonmuslims and the shias don't.As a nonmuslim I don't want Jihadis to flourish.

Back to Iranian regime and nuclear deal.
 
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