Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[BukiRob]

I think alot of people have Acts 20:7 out of context. Jesus was not instituting a replacement for Passover and outside of Acts 20:7, there is no where else in the NT in which there purpose was to meet on the 1st day of the week to break bread, that was just one instance of them meeting together.

Agree to read Acts 20:7 that way is to assume that the apostles in Jerusalem who were going to the Synagogue daily were some how ignoring the Sabbath and Feast days. NOTHING could be further from the truth and to read 20:7 as a "change" is to completely ignore what James says to Paul in Acts 21:24 Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

There is clearly no way you can argue that the Apostles stopped walking in the light of the Torah. In fact it is clear that James is saying that Paul himself observed Torah

 

[Meowzltov]

I think alot of people have Acts 20:7 out of context. Jesus was not instituting a replacement for Passover and outside of Acts 20:7, there is no where else in the NT in which there purpose was to meet on the 1st day of the week to break bread, that was just one instance of them meeting together.

The Lord's Supper is NOT a replacement for Passover. As a Jew, I still celebrate Passover each year.

If you read the writings of the Apostolic Fathers who were ordained by the Apostles or by those ordained by the Fathers, you will find that they broke bread on the first day of the week. Justin Martyr has the fullest description. So the tradition begun in Acts 20:7 continued into the early church and indeed until this day.

 

[Meowzltov]

There is clearly no way you can argue that the Apostles stopped walking in the light of the Torah. In fact it is clear that James is saying that Paul himself observed Torah

The apostles were JEWS. Unlike the Gentile believers, they were obliged to keep the sabbath AS WELL AS meet on Sunday to break bread.

 

[BukiRob]

The apostles were JEWS. Unlike the Gentile believers, they were obliged to keep the sabbath AS WELL AS meet on Sunday to break bread.

Hogwash. You have a deeply warped understanding of Acts 15 which is the ENTIRE basis for the error of gentile= no Torah.

The argument in acts 15 isn't about if the Gentiles are to keep Torah. The Believing Pharisee's correctly pointed out that they are. The Acts 15 argument by the so called Judiazer's is over WHO can be saved.

 

[Meowzltov]

The argument in acts 15 isn't about if the Gentiles are to keep Torah. The Believing Pharisee's correctly pointed out that they are. The Acts 15 argument by the so called Judiazer's is over WHO can be saved.

Wow. I don't know where you get that from. You must be reading a book other than the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

The early Christian writers also bear witness to the observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) over the Hebrew Sabbath (Saturday). http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/catholic-doctrines-and-practices/the-sabbath-or-the-lords-day/

Some do - but the earliest ECFs - wrote the actual Bible - and they say nothing at all about a weekly observance of week-day-1 as the replacement Sabbath. or as a weekly holy day.

However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding

1. i agree that those are passages of scripture.
2. But they say nothing about the 10 commandments no longer binding, or the Sabbath commandment no longer binding or the 10 commandments reduced down to just nine.
3. And they show no weekly observance of week-day-1 as the day of worship.

Catechism: 2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life. "Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church." http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm

Catholics do not worship on the Sabbath, which according to Jewish law is the last day of the week (Saturday),

I agree that very often Catholics do not worship on Sabbath - except when they worship at 6pm on Saturday and the sun does not go down until after 6pm. ... except for that.

when God rested from all the work he had done in creation (Gen. 2:2-3). Catholics worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday, the eighth day);

True - but they claim that the Lord's Day as given in the bible is Saturday -- the Sabbath. They simply "changed" it according to their own statements.

As we saw here - Saturday at 11:13 PM #194

 

[Meowzltov]

1. i agree that those are passages of scripture.
2. But they say nothing about the 10 commandments no longer binding, or the Sabbath commandment no longer binding or the 10 commandments reduced down to just nine.
3. And they show no weekly observance of week-day-1 as the day of worship.

Realize that you are not responding to me, but to a quote from a website documenting the Catholic position.

 

[Meowzltov]

I agree that very often Catholics do not worship on Sabbath - except when they worship at 6pm on Saturday and the sun does not go down until after 6pm. ... except for that.

My parish holds it's Saturday vigil mass at 4:00 PM. I love to go to it as part of my Sabbath observance.

 

[Meowzltov]

True - but they claim that the Lord's Day as given in the bible is Saturday -- the Sabbath. They simply "changed" it according to their own statements.

You are mistaken. The CC believes the Lord's Day was always Sunday, that the Lord's Day refers to the Day Christ rose from the dead. What we did was change the solemnity from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You are mistaken. The CC believes the Lord's Day was always Sunday, that the Lord's Day refers to the Day Christ rose from the dead. What we did was change the solemnity from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day.

I think you have put your finger on the problem for him. It is not that Christians fail to understand that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week (Saturday) but that we recognize another day (the resurrection day - the first day, Sunday) as being the day for meeting and worshipping God.

 

[SAAN]

I think you have put your finger on the problem for him. It is not that Christians fail to understand that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week (Saturday) but that we recognize another day (the resurrection day - the first day, Sunday) as being the day for meeting and worshipping God.

You do realize you are basically said that Christians have told God they will make their own day to do what they want instead of what God wants. Kinda like God saying to sacrifice a lamb and they sacrificed a cow instead and said, this is how we worship and sacrifice.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You do realize you are basically said that Christians have told God they will make their own day to do what they want instead of what God wants. Kinda like God saying to sacrifice a lamb and they sacrificed a cow instead and said, this is how we worship and sacrifice.

Well, I am not the one who decided to raise Jesus Christ from the dead on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day, am I? If God intended Christians to remember the death of His Son then we would probably worship on Friday. We can assuredly take a Sabbath rest on Saturday as we wish and remember the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the day He actually rose from the dead.

 

[Meowzltov]

I think you have put your finger on the problem for him. It is not that Christians fail to understand that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week (Saturday) but that we recognize another day (the resurrection day - the first day, Sunday) as being the day for meeting and worshipping God.

Exactly.

 

[BukiRob]

Wow. I don't know where you get that from. You must be reading a book other than the Bible.

No not at all... but then, you have disagree with almost everything everyone on here who is a messianic has said to you so your response is absolutely not a surprise at all

 

[BukiRob]

You are mistaken. The CC believes the Lord's Day was always Sunday, that the Lord's Day refers to the Day Christ rose from the dead. What we did was change the solemnity from the Sabbath to the Lord's Day.

Now the Scriptures alone do not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe, nor do they explicitly enjoin all the duties which he is obliged to practice. Not to mention other examples, is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

—Faith of Our Fathers, Cardinal Gibbons, p. 72 [36]

Sanctify- set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.

Here is the Cardinal is saying that SCRIPTURE enforces religious observance of Sabbath; A day the Catholic Church NEVER set part or declare as HOLY.

Try as you like it is crystal, unmistakably clear that the RCC does not observe, support or consider Sabbath a day as any different than any other day of the week.

In his opening sentence he declares that the RCC has truth not found in scripture


They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the SABBATH-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;... Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer



Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Ask him why he keeps Sunday, and not Saturday, as his day of rest, since he is unwilling either to fast or to abstain. If he reply, that the Scripture orders him to keep the Sunday, but says nothing as to fasting and abstinence, tell him the Scripture speaks of Saturday or the Sabbath, but gives no command anywhere regarding Sunday or the first day of the week. If, then he neglects Saturday as a day of rest and holiness, and substitutes Sunday in its place, and this merely because such was the usage of the ancient Church, should he not, if he wishes to act consistently, observe fasting and abstinence, because the ancient Church so ordained? Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 181

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

The churches own words.... CHANGED the commandment of G-d in their own doing without a shred of scriptural authority to do so.

Some of these statements made by the church as as clear as day. Frankly, Im shocked that you want to try and argue this point. The church is rather openly admitting that Sunday is their own doing and that the Church made this change on their own "authority" that is not found in scripture

 

[SAAN]

Well, I am not the one who decided to raise Jesus Christ from the dead on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day, am I? If God intended Christians to remember the death of His Son then we would probably worship on Friday. We can assuredly take a Sabbath rest on Saturday as we wish and remember the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the day He actually rose from the dead.

You do realize Jesus did not rise Sunday morning at sunrise. While he did rise on the 1st day right after the sun went down Saturday night, it was not Sunday at sunrise, like many have been falsely taught.

I dont see anything wrong with resting on Satruday and Sunday worship as that is the day I go to church, but some on here do make a huge fit if worship isnt taking place on a Saturday.

 

[BukiRob]

Well, I am not the one who decided to raise Jesus Christ from the dead on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day, am I? If God intended Christians to remember the death of His Son then we would probably worship on Friday. We can assuredly take a Sabbath rest on Saturday as we wish and remember the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the day He actually rose from the dead.

I see, so to you, what G-d has to say on the matter doesn't really matter?

You see, G-d is explicitly clear about what day is the Sabbath. YOU and I do not get to choose. Scripture states over and over over... that the Sabbath is the 7th day.

Surely, if the day were "optional" concerning what day to observe Messiah would have done so. After all, he was constantly riling the scribes and pharisee's because he did things contrary to their tradition. Yet in scripture we see Yeshua explicitly observed Sabbath on the Sabbath day Which is Friday at sunset until Saturday at Sunset.

Additionally, there is little to no correlation between Sabbath and what day you worship on. No where in scripture are you commanded to worship on that day. In fact what we see in Acts is that the Apostles were "DAILY" going to the temple....

Sabbath is from sunset on day six (which starts the 7th day) to the following sunset. Nothing prevents you from worshiping on Sunday but Sabbath is not, was not and NEVER WILL BE Sunday

 

[Meowzltov]

No not at all... but then, you have disagree with almost everything everyone on here who is a messianic has said to you so your response is absolutely not a surprise at all

I tend to agree with the teachings of Messianic Rabbis associated with the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations, especially Hashivenu. UMJC is one of the two leading MJ denominations, so I don't feel like I'm in a minority here.

 

[BukiRob]

I tend to agree with the teachings of Messianic Rabbis associated with the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations, especially Hashivenu. UMJC is one of the two leading MJ denominations, so I don't feel like I'm in a minority here.

I go to a UMJC synagogue...

 

[Meowzltov]

In his opening sentence he declares that the RCC has truth not found in scripture

Of course we do. We are not sola scriptura. That is a protestant heresy. Paul writes for us to hold fast to the traditions he taught us, meaning there are things the church taught orally that are not in the scriptures. One of them is which day is the Lord's Day (Sunday).