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Good question. If it is possible, it should be possible to do again. I don’t think anyone has managed to do that experiment successfully, which makes the whole idea improbable.

Does our current inability to raise a mountain range make the whole idea of mountain ranges improbable?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What hostile environment?
I farm for a living if my crops do not get the right amount of water or the right amount of nutrients or the right amount of sunshine then it does not reach its potential. In a harsh environment it would die. Your saying that the first cell was able to figure out what it needed to not only survive but change. That it learned hownto duplicate itself or there were many cells that happened at the same time. And we can not duplicate what happened by chance. I disagree that life could have happened that way
 
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I farm for a living if my crops do not get the right amount of water or the right amount of nutrients or the right amount of sunshine then it does not reach its potential. In a harsh environment it would die. Your saying that the first cell was able to figure out what it needed to not only survive but change. That it learned hownto duplicate itself or there were many cells that happened at the same time. And we can not duplicate what happened by chance. I disagree that life could have happened that way

How can plant life survive in desert climates?
 
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I farm for a living if my crops do not get the right amount of water or the right amount of nutrients or the right amount of sunshine then it does not reach its potential. In a harsh environment it would die. Your saying that the first cell was able to figure out what it needed to not only survive but change. That it learned hownto duplicate itself or there were many cells that happened at the same time. And we can not duplicate what happened by chance. I disagree that life could have happened that way

A plant would be many degrees more complex than the first lifeforms and, might I say, would have have been adapted to having a certain amount of water available and all that. I'm sorry, but your argument seems to be "I don't know, so G-d". That's a bad argument.
 
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Does our current inability to raise a mountain range make the whole idea of mountain ranges improbable?

-CryptoLutheran
Please explain how life started by chance
A plant would be many degrees more complex than the first lifeforms and, might I say, would have have been adapted to having a certain amount of water available and all that. I'm sorry, but your argument seems to be "I don't know, so G-d". That's a bad argument.
i realize that but to go from a dimple cell to complex just does not make sense. I believe that We can evolve to a point but to claim to we came from simple to complex I just don't see it. See I have a hard time with all the various types of species. If someone could show me a time line where a species changed over millions of years I think I could see it. But why did some grow big and others remain bugs. Why isn't there an specie that is self aware other than humans. Why are we the only ones who have complex language? This is just things I think about.
 
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Please explain how life started by chance

i realize that but to go from a dimple cell to complex just does not make sense. I believe that We can evolve to a point but to claim to we came from simple to complex I just don't see it. See I have a hard time with all the various types of species. If someone could show me a time line where a species changed over millions of years I think I could see it. But why did some grow big and others remain bugs. Why isn't there an specie that is self aware other than humans. Why are we the only ones who have complex language? This is just things I think about.

First life would have been a simple molecule that could function as an enzyme to make another copy of itself. After that was happening evolution could take over and evolve a more complex kind of life. It probably took over a million years to evolve into what you would recognize as a cell like today's cellular life.
 
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The evidence for Sasquatch or Nessie don't have designations named for them in the Gregorian and Julian calendars (to wit: BC & AD), hospitals, humanitarian organizations, Scriptures, edifices, iconography, symbols, bumper stickers, greetings, holidays, major artwork, statuary, and a history of attempted suppression by major empires.

And of course sasquatch does not predict the future as we see Daniel doing in Daniel 7 and 8 and 9 thousands of years in advance.

Neither can Sasquatch or man - make a living cell via their "science".
 
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First life would have been a simple molecule that could function as an enzyme to make another copy of itself. After that was happening evolution could take over and evolve a more complex kind of life. It probably took over a million years to evolve into what you would recognize as a cell like today's cellular life.

Many abiogenesis stories exist - none of them fit observations in science.
 
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The bible says:
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psa 33:10 The LORD bringeth the evolution of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
 
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If the Bible says creation was instantaneous, than I believe creation was instantaneous.

If that is how your mind works, than that is quite easy, not much thought required. Someone wrote this down, so it is true.
 
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i realize that but to go from a dimple cell to complex just does not make sense. I believe that We can evolve to a point but to claim to we came from simple to complex I just don't see it. See I have a hard time with all the various types of species. If someone could show me a time line where a species changed over millions of years I think I could see it. But why did some grow big and others remain bugs.
Bugs are usually amazingly adapted for their environment. I'd say better adapted than we are in most cases as they seem to persist in places we no longer can live. You seem to be under the impression that evolution has some sort of path. It doesn't. It's all about the ability to reproduce and pass down beneficial genes. It's why you see little differences in lines that are well suited to their environment such as crocodiles. But when environmental changes happen and a trait helps reproduction, that trait will eventually go though the entire species. We have observed this, so there's no question that this kind of adaptation happens.
Why isn't there an specie that is self aware other than humans. Why are we the only ones who have complex language? This is just things I think about.
I can't tell you why, but I think the how can be explained. This kind of stuff is in a lot of science textbooks.
 
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If that is how your mind works, than that is quite easy, not much thought required. Someone wrote this down, so it is true.
Welcome to a world where faith is alive and well.
 
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If the Bible says creation was instantaneous, than I believe creation was instantaneous.
I go for what God's own Creation is showing us. We seem to be at a cross roads because Creation is showing us something completely different than instantaneous creation. Who to believe? God's own Creation as Created by God, or the creation myth of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert dwellers. That's how I look at it.

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Someone wrote it down.
his name is God

that is how my mind works.

It is pretty simple.

the smart ones who think they know better, like satan, get in trouble.

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

and I wrote it down.

god talked to Jeremiah and he wrote it down
why would not you believe that?
 
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Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
 
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ze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
Eze 1:2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,
Eze 1:3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.


and I wrote it down.

boy, you better listen.
 
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an 2:19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

and Daniel wrote it down.

I would be a fool not to listen exactly what Daniel wrote
 
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ev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Jesus, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who wrote it all down faithfully, all of the word of God, and of the testimony stories that Jesus Christ told him, and of all things that John was shown and he did see with his own eyes.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth these things God showed me, and they that hear the reading of these words of this prophecy of the revelation of Jesus to John, and keep and follow and obey all those things which are written in this book here: for the time is at hand.

It would be extremely un-wise not to read and believe what Jesus himself spoke to us in the book of Revelation.
 
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