Dear Christian, why don't you ...?

[sandybay]

I'm actually stunned after reading the link. What Darwin did was to 'state the obvious' then others worked his thesis backward to the supposed beginnings of organic life. Everything in his 'outline' is certainly true, but doesn't require a theory contrary to divine creation. Go through his outline one by one and you'll see that the vaunted Theory Of Evolution isn't needed.

Which God do you think did the creating?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I'm actually stunned after reading the link. What Darwin did was to 'state the obvious' then others worked his thesis backward to the supposed beginnings of organic life. Everything in his 'outline' is certainly true, but doesn't require a theory contrary to divine creation. Go through his outline one by one and you'll see that the vaunted Theory Of Evolution isn't needed.

However I will agree on this point, that the survival of the fittest is indeed "natural selection". What could be more obvious. But it doesn't require the fabrication of a godless theory.

He was a God fearing man, who knew that his ideas would not be well received. It makes a great difference when one understands that.

Quite a few Christians I've chatted with genuinely think that because the word 'Origin' is in the title of his book, that it is all about the origin of life.

Regardless, he knew that it was a dangerous idea.

'Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection has always fascinated me, but over the years I have found a surprising variety of thinkers who cannot conceal their discomfort with his great idea, ranging from nagging skepticism to outright hostility. I have found not just lay people and religious thinkers, but secular philosophers, psychologists, physicists, and even biologists who would prefer, it seems, that Darwin were wrong. ....'*

150 years along, and it still is. Or is it?

~~~
* Daniel C Dennet : Darwin's Dangerous Idea

 

[AV1611VET]

Which God do you think did the creating?

Elohim.

I'm wondering if Darwin mentioned Him in his, Preservation of Favoured Races?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

He was a God fearing man, who knew that his ideas would not be well received. It makes a great difference when one understands that.

Quite a few Christians I've chatted with genuinely think that because the word 'Origin' is in the title of his book, that it is all about the origin of life.

I think most understand that Darwin meant the evolution of existing life, not the origin of life.

There's this,

Irreducible Complexity: The Challenge to the Darwinian Evolutionary Explanations of many Biochemical Structures

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think most understand that Darwin meant the evolution of existing life, not the origin of life.

There's this,

Irreducible Complexity: The Challenge to the Darwinian Evolutionary Explanations of many Biochemical Structures

And Behe's nonsense has been refuted. His claims of Irreducible Complexity were simply arguments from ignorance. He chose problems on the cutting edge of science. That was rather foolish to do. Problems on the cutting edge of science quite often get solved. Once solved there is no more IR.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Elohim.

I'm wondering if Darwin mentioned Him in his, Preservation of Favoured Races?

Oh, so you're not a Christian then.

 

[sandybay]

Elohim.

I'm wondering if Darwin mentioned Him in his, Preservation of Favoured Races?

Twisting things to suit yourselves seems to be a big thing with creationist, it was the "Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" and had nothing to do with race.

I doubt if Elohim got a mention, I don't think the supernatural would have been on Darwin's list, do you know where Elohim came from?
was he human or did he just have human features like fingers for writing on stone?

A silly topic to discuss don't you think? although they do say at my age I'm in my second childhood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, so you're not a Christian then.

Imma Christian saint.

What are you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, so you're not a Christian then.

By the rules of this forum AV is a Christian, but I can see why you might have been confused.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Imma Christian saint.

What are you?

The saint part is extremely dubious and pointing that out is not a violation of the rules here. I do accept that you are a Christian.

 

[AV1611VET]

do you know where Elohim came from?
was he human or did he just have human features like fingers for writing on stone?

Did you have this response in mind when you asked:

Which God do you think did the creating?

I hope you didn't mind me butting in with the answer?

And for the record, are you consol?

 

[AV1611VET]

The saint part is extremely dubious and pointing that out is not a violation of the rules here.

I certainly hope not.

I do accept that you are a Christian.

Thank you.

Have you seen my justification for considering myself a saint? and what the difference is between a saint and a Christian?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

A very good lecture:

Prof. Gregory Radick's 11th June 2013 research lecture : Jesus, Darwin and Ashley Montagu : http://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/Multimedia.ph
or, direct link: https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam....emID=Item_Multimedia_516&width=720&height=460
http://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/Multimedia.php

 

[Subduction Zone]

I certainly hope not.

Sorry, but your actions here are quite far from being "saintly".

Thank you.

Have you seen my justification for considering myself a saint? and what the difference is between a saint and a Christian?

I have never seen saintly behavior from any creationist. Honesty should be a very important trait for saints to have, wouldn't you agree?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Imma Christian saint.

You were asked: Which God do you think did the creating?

To which you replied: Elohim.

 

[AV1611VET]

You were asked: Which God do you think did the creating?

To which you replied: Elohim.

What's your answer?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, but your actions here are quite far from being "saintly".

You'd love King David's actions then, wouldn't you?

You know King David, don't you?

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Do you believe King David was an OT saint?

(Let me guess. You don't believe King David existed at all, do you?)

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

What's your answer?

I could write a thesis about it. What sort of God is this Elohim?
What does the NT teach us about who created?

Just think about it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You'd love King David's actions then, wouldn't you?

You know King David, don't you?

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Do you believe King David was an OT saint?

(Let me guess. You don't believe King David existed at all, do you?)

I don't think even Christians consider David to be a saint.

 

[AV1611VET]

I could write a thesis about it. What sort of God is this Elohim?
What does the NT teach us about who created?

Just think about it.

Yes, Jesus is given the pre-eminence, even in the creation events.

You're not a fan of the Jesus Only movement, are you?