What is the seventh day as stated in the bible?

[Elder 111]

The "beginning" and "ending" of each of the six time periods of creation is not repeated for the seventh "day." That's simply a scriptural fact, and all of your kicking and screaming cannot change that.

The seventh period of God's "rest" has no "closing." God's "rest" continues even unto the present. It is that rest, Gods rest, that all Christians are to participate in (Heb. 4:1-11). Rest that is made available to us in the Person of Jesus Christ.

That is impossible! In your own words there is no beginning!

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by bugkiller

The 7th day of creation is a conclusive and final non reoccurring event. There is no end of the 7th day of creation. God stopped creating at the end of the 6th day and surveyed it on the 7th day onward.

bugkiller
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Originally Posted by Elder 111

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o The week should be of six days then! God made an error, He does not even know what He is doing in this matter. Why did you not inform Him before?!!
The bible no way says that! That is not even an assumption, it is a perversion of God's word.
You are stating that a day is an endless period.
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What week? There is no "week" mentioned when Bugkiller described an "event" consistent with the Genesis record.
The manner in which you misrepresent posts is consistent with the manner you misrepresent Scripture's testimony.

Are you telling us that there is no week in Genesis 1& 2?

 

[bugkiller]

Originally Posted by bugkiller

The 7th day of creation is a conclusive and final non reoccurring event. There is no end of the 7th day of creation. God stopped creating at the end of the 6th day and surveyed it on the 7th day onward.

bugkiller
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Originally Posted by Elder 111

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o The week should be of six days then! God made an error, He does not even know what He is doing in this matter. Why did you not inform Him before?!!
The bible no way says that! That is not even an assumption, it is a perversion of God's word.
You are stating that a day is an endless period.
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Are you telling us that there is no week in Genesis 1& 2?

Are you trying to tell us the 7th of creation week is a recurring event? Evidence, please.

bugkiller

 

[VictorC]

Are you telling us that there is no week in Genesis 1& 2?

You didn't find anything about a "week" in any of our recent posts. All of us referenced an event in the singular.
So...
No one is obligated to respond to a straw man of your own making.
Go back, and absorb the content you can't seem to fault without making up fatal logical fallacies.

Your use of the present tense verb 'is' reveals your obsession with the weekly periodic Sabbath. It ignores what the seventh day was, a singular event never repeated, which was God's rest.

Hebrews 4
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.​

David saw another day beyond the Sabbath.
Joshua leading Israel into the promised land didn't provide God's rest.
Indeed, that rest remained a promise unavailable during the Sabbath's tenure.

A tenure that didn't include the Gentiles living in Carribean island nations.

The Christian of faith has entered into that rest originating since the seventh day, God's rest, a singular event that hasn't ended. We already have the seventh day. This is what you are missing when you can't differentiate the tense of key verbs.

 

[Elder 111]

Are you trying to tell us the 7th of creation week is a recurring event? Evidence, please.

bugkiller

I am not trying to so. The bible speaks for itself. If it is not, why is the week of seven days? Why is the seventh day called a day by God? It can not be a day if it is unending, that is called eternity! If it occurred once how did God get a week of seven days?

 

[Steeno7]

That is impossible! In your own words there is no beginning!

No, in my own words there is no "closing" to the seventh "day". In the Bibles words there is no morning AND evening, no beginning AND ending. By declaring "on the seventh day" it is already established that the seventh day had begun.

 

[Elder 111]

No, in my own words there is no "closing" to the seventh "day". In the Bibles words there is no morning AND evening, no beginning AND ending. By declaring "on the seventh day" it is already established that the seventh day had begun.

Genesis does not say that Jesus was the creator. So my question is, does that mean that Jesus did not create? What is a day? Is the seventh day described any way else in the bible? How is it described? I asked because you seem to reject the obvious in Ex. 20:10. Hebrews 4 is not a description either.

 

[VictorC]

Genesis does not say that Jesus was the creator. So my question is, does that mean that Jesus did not create? What is a day? Is the seventh day described any way else in the bible? How is it described? I asked because you seem to reject the obvious in Ex. 20:10. Hebrews 4 is not a description either.

Your post is filled with red herrings. No one else is questioning who Jesus is, not even the post you responded to. Only you.

Looking past this, I observe that you don't have any problem composing sentences using the correct tense of verbs where they're applicable. It becomes more than just difficult to believe that you don't understand the tense of key verbs and their meaning when Scripture uses them. It is far easier to believe your intention is to deceive others. Yet every time a passage of Scripture is quoted for you -be it from Exodus, Genesis, or the epistle to the Hebrews- you openly reject it and act like you just can't understand plain language confronting the message you replaced it with.

Hebrews 4 describes what the seventh day was -God's rest- and it quotes directly from the Genesis record that tells us the same thing. Even Exodus 20 is consistent with the Genesis record. The seventh day existed long before the Sabbath did, and God's rest doesn't appear in a cycle as the Sabbath did during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant - which you as a Gentile in the Caribbean never had.

 

[Elder 111]

Your post is filled with red herrings. No one else is questioning who Jesus is, not even the post you responded to. Only you.

Looking past this, I observe that you don't have any problem composing sentences using the correct tense of verbs where they're applicable. It becomes more than just difficult to believe that you don't understand the tense of key verbs and their meaning when Scripture uses them. It is far easier to believe your intention is to deceive others. Yet every time a passage of Scripture is quoted for you -be it from Exodus, Genesis, or the epistle to the Hebrews- you openly reject it and act like you just can't understand plain language confronting the message you replaced it with.

Hebrews 4 describes what the seventh day was -God's rest- and it quotes directly from the Genesis record that tells us the same thing. Even Exodus 20 is consistent with the Genesis record. The seventh day existed long before the Sabbath did, and God's rest doesn't appear in a cycle as the Sabbath did during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant - which you as a Gentile in the Caribbean never had.

So how could the Seventh day be before the Sabbath when God wrote and said that the Seventh day is the Sabbath Ex. 20:10. He lied!

 

[VictorC]

So how could the Seventh day be before the Sabbath when God wrote and said that the Seventh day is the Sabbath Ex. 20:10. He lied!

You're reduced to 'asking' a fallacious question based on calling God a liar and repeating the same mistake. We know this is intentional on your part when you've shown that you can compose sentences using the correct tense of verbs when it suits you. There is no place where you've acknowledged the seventh day in the creation account.

 

[duolos]

So how could the Seventh day be before the Sabbath when God wrote and said that the Seventh day is the Sabbath Ex. 20:10. He lied!

Can we go through this again?
Let's back up a bit and start at Hebrews 3:1

A little background, after establishing the supremacy of Christ over the angelic beings, thus His deity, the writer turns to discuss the next thing in his list of things to discuss and that is Christ's prophetic ministry, this is where we pick up the general argument in this passage is that Christ as the bringer of the faith that we confess is superior to Moses on the basis that the rest that he supplies is greater than that of the rest that Moses supplies, the conquest of Canaan must also be addressed as the text which the writer of the book of Hebrews uses an Exodus psalm to drive home the point that Moses' rest was not the eschatological rest of the Hebrew faith.

Therefore, holy brothers, you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession, who was faithful to him who appointed him, just as Moses also was faithful in all God's house. For Jesus has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses—as much more glory as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself. (For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.) Now Moses was faithful in all God's house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God's house as a son. And we are his house if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.​

First argument, Christ is superior to Moses because He is a son rather than a servant like Moses, more than that Christ is the builder, of whom we are the building.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
on the day of testing in the wilderness,
where your fathers put me to the test
and saw my works for forty years.
Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
they have not known my ways.’
As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest.’”​

This is the psalm in question it has both its own context; that of being written by David post-exodus, in fact in one of the more peaceful times of the Kingdom of Israel, and it also looks back to the start of the 40 years in the wilderness, in this Psalm David is looking at why the Israelites did not enter into the rest of God as envisioned from his place, however he also looks forward and talks to his own generation saying "Today" there is an action for the people of David's day to not harden their hearts.

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. As it is said,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”​

First applicatory exposition by the writer, the words of David also have meaning for those in his day, and therefore by extension in our own, for the call to exhort one another as long as it is called "today" applies whenever it is "today"

For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief. Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”​

So what's most important here to this discussion? Exodus 20 precedes Numbers 20, they have the command of the Mosaic Sabbath, yet the writer here says that God "swore that they would not enter his rest," if the Mosaic Sabbath given in Exodus 20 is the rest that God promised that they would not enter in, it doesn't make sense the stress that the writer is placing on the fact that God has sworn that they will not enter into his rest.

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”


Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”​

And here we go another nail in the coffin that the Rest of God is the cyclical weekly Sabbath, God has rested and is resting since the foundation of the world, and the Israelites in Numbers 20 (after Exodus 20) have been told that "they shall not enter my rest" so there is a large group of people for whom "it remains for some to enter [God's rest]" so what does God do? "He appoints a certain day, "Today,"" Clearly we are not talking about a weekly occurence, this is a "today" occurence, to enter into the Rest of God. But what about that which those in Numbers 20 were looking forward to? What about the land that is clearly in mind coming from Numbers 20?

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.​

Easily summed up, God spoke through David after Joshua brought them into the land, possibly even after David had come into his own rest (2 Sam 7:1) God speaks of another day that is in the future to David and for the writer is this eponymous "Today."

 

[Hismessenger]

Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.

Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:39 ¶ Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

If you will note, all theses days are called Sabbath's so it wasn't about just one day. Every day was to be a sabbath when you understand and enter into his rest. Read the whole chapter of Lev:23 and you will see that it was pointing forward to our rest in the finished work in Christ, Salvation.

hismessenger

 

[Steeno7]

Genesis does not say that Jesus was the creator. So my question is, does that mean that Jesus did not create? What is a day? Is the seventh day described any way else in the bible? How is it described? I asked because you seem to reject the obvious in Ex. 20:10. Hebrews 4 is not a description either.

God is One.

What is a day to who? Is not a day as a thousand years with the Lord? 2 Peter 3:8

I reject nothing, but uphold the truth, obviously.

 

[ron4shua]

Great stuff my brothers awesome , I hope someone in the " eponymous , Today " camp gets a book out of all
this " rightly dividing the Word ". Three home runs in a row , awesome .

2 Timothy 2 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)

14Remind them of this, earnestly witnessing before the Master, not to wage verbal battles – which is useless – to the overthrowing of the hearers.

15Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Elohim, a worker who does not need to be ashamed,

rightly handling the Word of Truth.

HalleluYAH .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjiWS__Mp0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaBiZkhI8A

 

[Hismessenger]

If you pay attention to What Genesis says, the light was created before the day. Do you not see the significance of greater being before the latter?

hismessenger

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's not Saturday.

 

[Elder 111]

God is One.

What is a day to who? Is not a day as a thousand years with the Lord? 2 Peter 3:8

I reject nothing, but uphold the truth, obviously.

Genesis does not give such a description to a day, does it? "As" does not mean "is"!!!! In the context all Peter is saying is that time is not a matter with God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The seventh day mentioned in Genesis chapter two is not Saturday.

 

[ron4shua]

​" ​It's not Saturday. "

Absolutely Gospel truth ​" ​It's not Saturday. "


The Raising from the tomb at the conclusion of the Scripture prophesied three nights and days by our Master Himself .
In my opinion , exactly seventy two hours after internment ,
the exact instantaneous nanosecond the third star became visible in the Sunday morning sky . From that point & for one turn , 360 degrees of our earth , it was the first day of the week .

So then , " it " was at the end of the seventh day , at the instant the first day of the next new week started .

 

[Elder 111]

Not only is the Seventh day of Genesis the Sabbath we also have other scriptures that attest to that, including Hebrews 4.
Consider, Hebrews ask us to rest as God rested. I have been told that that rest is to rest from sin. So I ask, did God need to rest from sin? Even so could God rest in righteousness? Certainly not for that is what He is. The word implies ceasing, not to do anymore. God is righteous so He can not be in a state of ceasing when being righteous.
What we are asked to do is to stop as God did. So Stop doing what? WORK!!
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ex. 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Isa 58:
12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
This is not restricted to the here and now, for God expects it to continue forever. Isa 66:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
God has spoken about His people denying His word and His Sabbath. Eze. 22:

25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
So sayeth the Lord.