Couple fined for declining same-sex wedding on their farm

[David Brider]

Again, the law guarantees the free exercise of religion. The farm owners are not obligated to accept your definition of what is or is not sinful. They make that determination for themselves

However, the law - as you know full well, because you've had this explained to you time and time again - also states that businesses which are public accommodations do not discriminate against customers on a number of potential bases - including, but not limited to, sexual orientation. They can believe what they like about what sin may be facilitated by a same-sex couple marrying on their farm in their capacity as private individuals. However, in their capacity as people operating a business, those beliefs are not allowed to dictate who they serve as customers.

As you know.

 

[bhsmte]

Again, the law guarantees the free exercise of religion which is all the farm owners ask

With limits.

They exceeded the limits as the law describes and allows.

 

[MachZer0]

However, the law - as you know full well, because you've had this explained to you time and time again - also states that businesses which are public accommodations do not discriminate against customers on a number of potential bases - including, but not limited to, sexual orientation. They can believe what they like about what sin may be facilitated by a same-sex couple marrying on their farm in their capacity as private individuals. However, in their capacity as people operating a business, those beliefs are not allowed to dictate who they serve as customers.

As you know.

With limits.

They exceeded the limits as the law describes and allows.

As has been explained in rebuttal, the government must demonstrate a compelling interest in order to make an exception the the free exercise of religion. There i no government compelling interest in ensuring that people can get wedding services at a particular venue

 

[bhsmte]

As has been explained in rebuttal, the government must demonstrate a compelling interest in order to make an exception the the free exercise of religion. There i no government compelling interest in ensuring that people can get wedding services at a particular venue

The government has shown a compelling interest, which is why these laws have stood up.

If certain people don't like them, use the legal process to challenge them and good luck.

 

[David Brider]

As has been explained in rebuttal, the government must demonstrate a compelling interest in order to make an exception the the free exercise of religion. There i no government compelling interest in ensuring that people can get wedding services at a particular venue

Why must they demonstrate a compelling interest in this particular case, simply to allow the law as it stands to continue? Should the government demonstrate a compelling interest any time someone takes exception to the law as it stands?

 

[MachZer0]

With limits.

They exceeded the limits as the law describes and allows.

The government has shown a compelling interest, which is why these laws have stood up.

If certain people don't like them, use the legal process to challenge them and good luck.

There is no compelling interest. Period

 

[bhsmte]

There is no compelling interest. Period

If that is the case, the laws should be challenged in the courts and they would be easily overturned if no compelling interest exists.

Good luck.

 

[MachZer0]

Why must they demonstrate a compelling interest in this particular case, simply to allow the law as it stands to continue? Should the government demonstrate a compelling interest any time someone takes exception to the law as it stands?

Because the free exercise of religion is the law of the land

 

[TLK Valentine]

As has been explained in rebuttal, the government must demonstrate a compelling interest in order to make an exception the the free exercise of religion. There i no government compelling interest in ensuring that people can get wedding services at a particular venue

The government passed a law outlawing discrimination based on race, which is why the colored folk can sit at your lunch counter now, and among other things, gender. Enforcing its own laws is certainly a compelling interest for the government.

 

[AztecSDSU]

The government passed a law outlawing discrimination based on race, which is why the colored folk can sit at your lunch counter now, and among other things, gender. Enforcing its own laws is certainly a compelling interest for the government.

Gender is not a protected class, using the term interchangeably with sex is incorrect. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct.

 

[bhsmte]

Gender is not a protected class, using the term interchangeably with sex is incorrect. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct.

Sexual preference is a protected class in New York.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Gender is not a protected class, using the term interchangeably with sex is incorrect. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct.

Fair enough -- fortunately, sex is the protected class in question, and the people in cases such as this are being discriminated against because of their sex, which is still illegal, not their sexual orientation, which the right would like us to believe.

 

[David Brider]

Because the free exercise of religion is the law of the land

Except when the free exercise of religion involves breaking the law.

 

[bhsmte]

Except when the free exercise of religion involves breaking the law.

Small details.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

Again, the law guarantees the free exercise of religion which is all the farm owners ask

The law stipulates that any place operated as a public accommodation, which is how Liberty Farm is operated, cannot deny any of its services to anyone based on sexual orientation.

Here - read it for yourself, #10 under Definitions, and #2 under Unlawful discriminatory practices

http://www.dhr.ny.gov/sites/default/files/doc/hrl.pdf

also the following statement from the link (because you obviously missed it the first time I posted it):

The opportunity to obtain education, the use of places of public accommodation and the ownership, use and occupancy of housing accommodations and commercial space without discrimination because of age, race, creed, color, national origin, sexual orientation, military status, sex, marital status, or disability, as specified in section two hundred ninety six of this article, is hereby recognized as and declared to be a civil right.

and stop trying to speak about things you obviously know nothing about. Do you even live in NY State? Because I do, born and raised native, 27 years in Schenectady and the past 13 in Troy, and I happen to live about 10 miles south of Schaighticoke.

 

[MachZer0]

Except when the free exercise of religion involves breaking the law.

In America, the Constitution trumps state laws

 

[MachZer0]

Sexual preference is a protected class in New York.

Religious preferences are protected nationwide

 

[MachZer0]

The law stipulates that any place operated as a public accommodation, which is how Liberty Farm is operated, cannot deny any of its services to anyone based on sexual orientation.

Here - read it for yourself, #10 under Definitions, and #2 under Unlawful discriminatory practices

http://www.dhr.ny.gov/sites/default/files/doc/hrl.pdf

also the following statement from the link (because you obviously missed it the first time I posted it):



and stop trying to speak about things you obviously know nothing about. Do you even live in NY State? Because I do, born and raised native, 27 years in Schenectady and the past 13 in Troy, and I happen to live about 10 miles south of Schaighticoke.

I was born and raised in America where the free exercise of religion is guaranteed as the law of the land

 

[bhsmte]

In America, the Constitution trumps state laws

Correct.

Now, all you have to do, is provide that detailed legal argument, that the state law is unconstitutional.

Still waiting.

 

[bhsmte]

Religious preferences are protected nationwide

Correct and I would be the first dude in line to make sure these rights were not infringed upon, with limits.