I may have discovered the best evidence for evolution

[EternalDragon]

What would discomfirm intelligent design?

Why would the pattern of shared features produced by intelligent design exactly match what we would expect from evolution?

What do you think it should look like? According to the bible God obviously did it faster than nature would have.

We have the transitional fossils. We have the genetic evidence that this is exactly what happened.

No, you don't. All you have is similarities and many of the so called transitional fossils have been debunked as such.

We do have answers as to how stars form, planets form, how water got here. We don't know how life started or how the universe started, but unlike creationists, scientists are actually working on those questions.

No, you have assumptions and a lot of theories that have been discovered to not work.

 

[Loudmouth]

What do you think it should look like?

It should look like human designs where design units are swapped and combined without any need for a nested hierarchy.

According to the bible God obviously did it faster than nature would have.

Stories are not evidence.

No, you don't. All you have is similarities and many of the so called transitional fossils have been debunked as such.

When you ask for examples of transitional fossils, are you saying that you are asking for a fossil that has no similarities to any other species?

No, you have assumptions and a lot of theories that have been discovered to not work.

What are the assumptions, and what are the theories that don't work?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Your "mountains of tests" can't confirm whether or not a more advanced intelligent being created simple life forms and then went from there and designed everything else based on those same designs.

Your answer is naturedidit. As if nature can make a fish into a man.

If it were as simple as you say we would have the answers to how the universe began, how our sun formed, how the earth formed, how water got here in such a large amount, and how life started.

Who said natural processes had to be simple?

 

[lasthero]

All you have is similarities

Are all these things similar, ED?

 

[EternalDragon]

It should look like human designs where design units are swapped and combined without any need for a nested hierarchy.

Why should it look like a human design? To date, no human has designed life as yet.

 

[EternalDragon]

Are all these things similar, ED?

Are you trying to prove creation? No one is disputing that life is
similar. That's all you have though. Similarities.

 

[FreedByte]

 

[Delphiki]

I agree with evolution being unfalsfiable.

Convergent evolution;
Punctuated equalibria;

......

And you're wrong.

Evolution could be falsified if we found fossils of modern creatures scattered in seemingly random strata (i.e. the bunnies in the precambrian). We don't.

It would be falsified if the DNA, geological column, and all the other areas of science didn't actually point to the same nested heirarchies in the tree of life. They do.

One can logically postulate a means by which evolution could be falsified, it just isn't. It's falsifiable, but not falsified. Creationism, however, particularly in the vein of the bible literalist, is both falsifiable and falsified. Deistic creationism simly isn't falsifiable.

Do you know what the word falsifiable means?

 

[lasthero]

Are you trying to prove creation? No one is disputing that life is
similar. That's all you have though. Similarities.

As we keep telling you, it's not the similarities. It's the patter of similarities.

Are those things all similar? What would you call them?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why should it look like a human design? To date, no human has designed life as yet.

Actually, we have. Genetically modified organisms. Sure, it is more altering existing life than anything else, but it is as per our design.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why should it look like a human design?

Humans are not limited to a nested hierarchy, just as a supernatural creator would not be limited to a nested hierarchy.

To date, no human has designed life as yet.

Yes, they have. Ever heard of GMO foods? When humans design life, they swap exact copies of genes from distant parts of the tree of life. For example, Glofish have an exact copy of a fluorescent protein from jellyfish:

GloFish® - Experience the Glo!®

These genes clearly violate the nested hierarchy, and they are due to known intelligent designers. We observe that there is absolutely no reason why a designer, especially an omnipotent one, would be limited to a nested hierarchy.

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you trying to prove creation? No one is disputing that life is
similar. That's all you have though. Similarities.

It is the pattern of similarities that evidence evolution, and that pattern is a nested hierarchy.

Why do you pretend to forget this?

 

[Dizredux]

Your "mountains of tests" can't confirm whether or not a more advanced intelligent being created simple life forms and then went from there and designed everything else based on those same designs.

No it can't but it can confirm that it was done using the mechanisms of evolution. Why couldn't God have done this? Why would he have the Bible saying one thing and his creation saying another?

Dizredux

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would he have the Bible saying one thing and his creation saying another?

Because scientists drove a clipboard between Psalm 19:6 and Psalm 19:7 and threw a monkey [wrench] into the works.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Because scientists drove a clipboard between Psalm 19:6 and Psalm 19:7 and threw a monkey [wrench] into the works.

I feel the need to mention that scientists have nothing to gain from making the bible appear off if it actually wasn't the case.

 

[bhsmte]

I feel the need to mention that scientists have nothing to gain from making the bible appear off if it actually wasn't the case.

Indeed.

But AV has something to gain by manufacturing an enemy.

 

[AV1611VET]

I feel the need to mention that scientists have nothing to gain from making the bible appear off if it actually wasn't the case.

Yes they do: brownie points with their boss and his muses.

In addition, they demonstrate a strong Biblical principle:

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Scientists invest a large amount of their treasure analyzing a fallen, groaning-in-travail, on-its-way-to-heat-death universe; just to cull from it a little something that makes our lives easier.

I'm sure they don't like their interpretation of it being "marred" by those who sit all day long on a computer and tell them how to view their job.

 

[AV1611VET]

But AV has something to gain by manufacturing an enemy.

And who would that be, pray tell?

 

[Dizredux]

Because scientists drove a clipboard between Psalm 19:6 and Psalm 19:7 and threw a monkey [wrench] into the works.

I went back and read them. I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. Could you expand a little.

Dizredux

 

[Dizredux]

And who would that be, pray tell?

From everything you post, I would have to say scientists.

Dizredux