My rock challenge

[PsychoSarah]

Can you create a rock with no prior history?

Can you create a rose or an orange with no prior history?

I do believe the correct answer is no, as those would not then be rocks, roses and oranges as all of those would have apparent "history" if created from nothing in a fraction of a second.

Sure I could, I could, were I god, create an orange without DNA that was still edible, a rock without crystalline structure or pattern, an omnipotent being can literally do anything.

 

[Kylie]

I am mad. I did not finish the reading ...
When did I say I gave them false information?

You do understand it was an analogy to how God gives us false information by making the universe appear to be much older than it really is, yes?

 

[juvenissun]

You do understand it was an analogy to how God gives us false information by making the universe appear to be much older than it really is, yes?

I understand. But you used a WRONG analogy. I (God) did not give false information to my students (people).

The millions of years of age is NOT a false information.

 

[EternalDragon]

Sure I could, I could, were I god, create an orange without DNA that was still edible, a rock without crystalline structure or pattern, an omnipotent being can literally do anything.

You are forgetting the other aspects of the God of the bible. Besides this, an orange without DNA would not be an orange. Same for the rock.

 

[lasthero]

Besides this, an orange without DNA would not be an orange. Same for the rock.

Who says? If God made an orange without DNA, who are you to say it's not an orange?

 

[Loudmouth]

That's what they assume based on today's rates, yes. It's not a fact and is in dispute.

We can look at distant stars and see that the rates are the same. For example, we know tha the rates were the same about 170,000 years ago by looking at SN 1987a.

"Observations indicate that by April, another source of energy was providing most of the light: the decay of radioactive isotopes produced in the explosion. An especially important nucleus that formed deep inside the star, just outside the collapsing core, is nickel-56. The theory is that nickel-56 decays into cobalt-56 with a seven-day half-life, then the cobalt nuclei decay into iron-56 with a 111-day half-life, which is stable. So instead of fading from view in a few months, SN 1987A was steadily energized by the decay of fresh radioactive nickel. The light curve tracked the cobalt-56 radioactive decay rate, as one would expect from a system with that as its energy source. "
Supernova 1987A | AAVSO

Also, the forces that govern decay of isotopes also govern the amount of energy released by fusion inside of stars. We see the same energy being released from the same types of stars throughout the galaxy. This is smoking gun evidence for constant decay rates.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are forgetting the other aspects of the God of the bible. Besides this, an orange without DNA would not be an orange. Same for the rock.

Since when would not having DNA make it not an orange, when every other aspect of it was normal?

 

[Kylie]

I understand. But you used a WRONG analogy. I (God) did not give false information to my students (people).

The millions of years of age is NOT a false information.

In what way is making the universe look billions of years older than it actually is NOT false?

Because it sure sounds false to me!

 

[juvenissun]

In what way is making the universe look billions of years older than it actually is NOT false?

Because it sure sounds false to me!

Even we do not know why, but we do know the radiometric dating gives the right order to sequential events. The number is only a label. It is real, but it may not indicate the true time.

It is not as simple as counting the years.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Even we do not know why, but we do know the radiometric dating gives the right order to sequential events. The number is only a label. It is real, but it may not indicate the true time.

It is not as simple as counting the years.

Why not?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Who says? If God made an orange without DNA, who are you to say it's not an orange?

If an orange came along without DNA, then it would be an artificially modified orange, it wouldn't be natural.

 

[Kylie]

Even we do not know why, but we do know the radiometric dating gives the right order to sequential events. The number is only a label. It is real, but it may not indicate the true time.

It is not as simple as counting the years.

It does indicate the true time. Your ignorance of it does not invalidate it.

 

[juvenissun]

Why not?

Because we do not know what is time yet.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Because we do not know what is time yet.

Are you seriously trying to tell us clocks don't work because we don't know what time is, yet?

This is not an argument, this is word play.

 

[juvenissun]

Are you seriously trying to tell us clocks don't work because we don't know what time is, yet?

This is not an argument, this is word play.

It works at our scale. But behaves strangely at some special scales.
It is very similar to that we do not see God, so we say God does not exist.

 

[Kylie]

It works at our scale. But behaves strangely at some special scales.
It is very similar to that we do not see God, so we say God does not exist.

Time works strangely at different scales?

First, translate into English. Second, provide supporting scientific evidence.

 

[EternalDragon]

Time works strangely at different scales?

First, translate into English. Second, provide supporting scientific evidence.

Have you heard of Einstein?

Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EternalDragon]

In what way is making the universe look billions of years older than it actually is NOT false?

Because it sure sounds false to me!

If the universe were made to be only 6000 years old, it would not function.
Just as making Adam a recently born baby, would result in a dead Adam in a few days.

How do you know you aren't really looking at a 6000 year old, created universe?

 

[lasthero]

If the universe were made to be only 6000 years old, it would not function.

If God wanted it to, it would.

Just as making Adam a recently born baby, would result in a dead Adam in a few days.

God wouldn't take care of him?

How do you know you aren't really looking at a 6000 year old, created universe?

How do you know you weren't made five seconds ago with memories and brought into a world that was made to look like you'd lived in it?

 

[juvenissun]

Time works strangely at different scales?

First, translate into English. Second, provide supporting scientific evidence.

For example, time does not work the same way nearby a blackhole.
There are many other examples. I am not a physicist, so I am not good in explaining this. But you can take a look on a few popular shows about Time on the Discovery Channel. Or, I quickly find a link for you to browse. So you know I am not cheating you.

We only roughly know how does time work nearby the earth. We know very little on how does it work at other places.