Which came first? plants or animals?

[PsychoSarah]

The loss in variability was a result of the drastically reduced population. The more genetically diverse species that the cheetah descended from was a larger population of cheetahs.
The "ark" is a story. It didn't happen. You might just as well claim that superman reduced genetic variability with his x-ray vision.
If each species had all descended from just two individuals, we would find very low genetic variability in all species, even lower than in the cheetah.

The date is an estimate, based on known rates of mutation.
There is more genetic variability in sub-Saharan humans than there is in all the rest of the human species. Since all non-African humans are descended from small original populations that moved out of Africa, there is less variation in the emigrants than in the base population.

 

[Aman777]

It seems that you do not understand. If the animals were already here there was no point in Noah gathering all of the animals up. If the animals that we see today came from the Ark we would have a massive population bottleneck worldwide dating to the Ark.

So either Noah wasted his time gathering animals or there was no flood.

Which one do you think it was?

Dear SZ, Noah didn't gather anything. The animals came to Noah and got onto the Ark. When you read carefully, you discover that the Flood lasted just 150 days, and the Ark didn't leave the ground until AFTER 40 days and nights of rain. This means that it was on the water just 2 1/2 months.

Now suppose that the fimament of Adam's world was just 25 miles in diameter, floating in the biggest lake in the mountains of Ararat. Cause rain to fall for 40 days and nights and loose the water from under the Earth, and the Ark would be lifted up on the face of the Flood, as the waters filled the firmament which surrounded Adam's world.

As the firmament sank the Ark was released from the small world of Adam (reminds me of an incubator) into the present world, leaving NO trace of the world of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the Lake. Isaiah 24:19

Did you notice that there was NO bottleneck, and NO magical evolution needed? The first world, the world of Adam is gone, and Humanity was released into the present world, along with the animals Jesus made with His own Hands. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

The only possible response to such nonsense would get me banned.

Your post is not just irrational, it is un-Biblical. This is the "Creation and Evolution" forum, not the Fantasy and Science Fiction forum.

And I am quite certain that your "love" is just as genuine as your other claims.

Dear Gracchus, I notice that you hand waved my views off because you could NOT refute them. It's been the same with every Evol believer around, so don't feel bad. I also support my views with Scripture, science, and history. Do feel free to be a little more specific or everyone will see that you are just another in a long line of God rejecting Evols who also despise his children. The "In Love" at the end of my post is referring to God since God IS Love. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Kylie]

Here's a logical sin, just for you:

The Bible speaks of underwater currents in the ocean.

Psalm 8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

There is no way that this refers clearly to underwater currents. It could just as easily mean shipping routes.

 

[Kylie]

Regardless of your commentary, I feel I have answered Kylie's question to my satisfaction.

No, you haven't. You've given me nothing more than passages whose meaning has bee twisted to fit what SCIENCE has shown of the world.

Isn't it funny how it's always religious viewpoints that change to fit what science reveals, never the other way around?

Why do you think that is?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear Gracchus, I notice that you hand waved my views off because you could NOT refute them. It's been the same with every Evol believer around, so don't feel bad. I also support my views with Scripture, science, and history. Do feel free to be a little more specific or everyone will see that you are just another in a long line of God rejecting Evols who also despise his children. The "In Love" at the end of my post is referring to God since God IS Love. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Hey, I have gone to refute you, or at the very least started on the debate towards that. It just isn't finished yet

 

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[Aman777]

Hey, I have gone to refute you, or at the very least started on the debate towards that. It just isn't finished yet

Dear PS, Amen. Looks like you are the one of the only "nice" Evols out there. I truly appreciate your insightful questions. Wonder what happened to that fellow who swooped in and then ran off like a dog with his tail between his legs? Thanks again for your interest. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear PS, Amen. Looks like you are the one of the only "nice" Evols out there. I truly appreciate your insightful questions. Wonder what happened to that fellow who swooped in and then ran off like a dog with his tail between his legs? Thanks again for your interest. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Which one, that behavior is seen in a lot of people on this forum, both evolution supporters and creation supporters alike.

My interest has always been beyond just what to consider real and what to consider imagination. I find value within that which I think to be creative, even if I don't view it as correct, thus why I retain an interest in what people have to say without feeling the need to base that interest off of whether or not I can win the debate or convince people of my views to be correct.

And you know, people laugh at what you have to say, but it isn't as if there aren't people that believe more "ridiculous" things (in quotations because it is subjective). Mormons believe in a polygamist god that was once a mortal person who ascended to god hood, and their goal is to become gods themselves through a sort of good works like tasks. Scientologists follow a the writings of a science fiction novelist that involved tortured alien souls being captured by an evil space emperor named Xenu and forced to remain on earth, where they enter human bodies/attach themselves to living beings and cause painful emotions such as sadness and hate. By comparison, your ideas and interpretations don't look all that odd to me.

But that it just my opinion, I don't mean to insult those religions with that, only to show that very unorthodox beliefs can have quite the following.

 

[Aman777]

Which one, that behavior is seen in a lot of people on this forum, both evolution supporters and creation supporters alike.

My interest has always been beyond just what to consider real and what to consider imagination. I find value within that which I think to be creative, even if I don't view it as correct, thus why I retain an interest in what people have to say without feeling the need to base that interest off of whether or not I can win the debate or convince people of my views to be correct.

And you know, people laugh at what you have to say, but it isn't as if there aren't people that believe more "ridiculous" things (in quotations because it is subjective). Mormons believe in a polygamist god that was once a mortal person who ascended to god hood, and their goal is to become gods themselves through a sort of good works like tasks. Scientologists follow a the writings of a science fiction novelist that involved tortured alien souls being captured by an evil space emperor named Xenu and forced to remain on earth, where they enter human bodies/attach themselves to living beings and cause painful emotions such as sadness and hate. By comparison, your ideas and interpretations don't look all that odd to me.

But that it just my opinion, I don't mean to insult those religions with that, only to show that very unorthodox beliefs can have quite the following.

Dear PS, I sometimes list people who have agreed with me, not by name, but by belief. I count among my friends a Presbyterian Deacon with a degree in Physics, who disagrees with me, but has been my friend for decades. He has recognized that NO one can refute my views, since they are based on God's Holy Word.

Thanks you for your honesty since it will also allow me to post that an Atheist doesn't find my views that crazy, when compared to other religious views. It's what I like about you. You're honest. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear PS, I sometimes list people who have agreed with me, not by name, but by belief. I count among my friends a Presbyterian Deacon with a degree in Physics, who disagrees with me, but has been my friend for decades. He has recognized that NO one can refute my views, since they are based on God's Holy Word.

Thanks you for your honesty since it will also allow me to post that an Atheist doesn't find my views that crazy, when compared to other religious views. It's what I like about you. You're honest. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Honest to a fault, mostly. But back to our debate and perhaps we shall see if your views can be refuted or not. Now, I have heard a lot about Noah and your view on his life, and mostly just Genesis in general. Have any interesting perspectives on Exodus?

 

[Aman777]

Honest to a fault, mostly. But back to our debate and perhaps we shall see if your views can be refuted or not. Now, I have heard a lot about Noah and your view on his life, and mostly just Genesis in general. Have any interesting perspectives on Exodus?

Dear PS, Sorry, but my study is mainly in the Creation story. I've noticed that others have insight into other areas of the Bible, but I guess I'm slow because I can't get past the first Chapter of Genesis. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear PS, Sorry, but my study is mainly in the Creation story. I've noticed that others have insight into other areas of the Bible, but I guess I'm slow because I can't get past the first Chapter of Genesis. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Wait, what? You have read past the Genesis story though, right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear PS, I sometimes list people who have agreed with me, not by name, but by belief. I count among my friends a Presbyterian Deacon with a degree in Physics, who disagrees with me, but has been my friend for decades. He has recognized that NO one can refute my views, since they are based on God's Holy Word.

Thanks you for your honesty since it will also allow me to post that an Atheist doesn't find my views that crazy, when compared to other religious views. It's what I like about you. You're honest. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Yet that is an insane claim.

Your ideas are refuted by science. For most of the world your ideas are very easy to refute.

Let's look at a Muslim. He has ideas that are based upon the Koran which he believes to be perfect. No one can debunk his ideas using the Koran. Does that make his claim valid that "No one can debunk his ideas since they are based upon Allah's perfect word"?

May you be touched by His Noodly Appendages.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You know Aman, thinking on how you consider much of Genesis to be talking about events that have not yet happened, could not the whole thing be talking about future events? Maybe we are the prehistoric peoples without the intelligence of Adam, and Noah hasn't arrived yet... Did you ever consider that? After all, what is intelligence really? Would an "unintelligent" prehistoric peoples view themselves as such?

 

[Aman777]

Wait, what? You have read past the Genesis story though, right?

Dear PS, The first Chapter of Genesis is the complete HISTORY of the 6 Days or Ages of God's Creation of the perfect Heaven. From Gen 1:28-31, the events are FUTURE to 2014. All of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to one of the Days of God's Creation. IF you understand Genesis ONE, you understand the complete story of the Creation, but you find the details contained in the rest of the Bible.

This Scriptural Fact unlocks many of the mysteries and lets us know that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ, Spiritually. The prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 happens when Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of time. Isaiah 11:7 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear PS, The first Chapter of Genesis is the complete HISTORY of the 6 Days or Ages of God's Creation of the perfect Heaven. From Gen 1:28-31, the events are FUTURE to 2014. All of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to one of the Days of God's Creation. IF you understand Genesis ONE, you understand the complete story of the Creation, but you find the details contained in the rest of the Bible.

This Scriptural Fact unlocks many of the mysteries and lets us know that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ, Spiritually. The prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 happens when Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of time. Isaiah 11:7 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

This is how you answer the question "did you read all of the bible?"

 

[Aman777]

Yet that is an insane claim.

Your ideas are refuted by science. For most of the world your ideas are very easy to refute.

Let's look at a Muslim. He has ideas that are based upon the Koran which he believes to be perfect. No one can debunk his ideas using the Koran. Does that make his claim valid that "No one can debunk his ideas since they are based upon Allah's perfect word"?

Dear SZ, Be more specific or everyone will see the weakness of your argument. Show me where Science refutes me. The ONLY "so called" Science I disagree with, is the False Theory of Evolution, and only the part of it which Falsely teaches that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. That kinda limits the argument. Doesn't it?

Since you seem to find my views so easy to refute, try it without using the False ToE to support your ideas. Then, everyone will see your False ToE, for the UnScientific, False Assumption, it most certainly is. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

You know Aman, thinking on how you consider much of Genesis to be talking about events that have not yet happened, could not the whole thing be talking about future events? Maybe we are the prehistoric peoples without the intelligence of Adam, and Noah hasn't arrived yet... Did you ever consider that? After all, what is intelligence really? Would an "unintelligent" prehistoric peoples view themselves as such?

Dear PS, No, they didn't have enough sense for that. They are innocent creatures and they will be found throughout our Universe. God commanded that "every living thing that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day (3.7 Billion years ago in man's time). Gen 1:21

Thoughout our Universe, wherever we find liquid water, we will find these innocent creatures. We only have a thousand years to gather them all up, AFTER Jesus returns to our Earth at the end of time. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear PS, No, they didn't have enough sense for that. They are innocent creatures and they will be found throughout our Universe. God commanded that "every living thing that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day (3.7 Billion years ago in man's time). Gen 1:21

Thoughout our Universe, wherever we find liquid water, we will find these innocent creatures. We only have a thousand years to gather them all up, AFTER Jesus returns to our Earth at the end of time. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You never addressed the point, how do you know you aren't just another prehistoric savage in god's eyes?