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A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

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That's the way you see it. Fine..
But you are not fine with it. I thought you were leaving?

It was more like having to constantly deal with divert and skirt. Like trying to get a straight answer out of a career politician.
Indeed. How many times did I have to repeatedly ask you a question? How many posts did you ignore, or cut up and only respond to a line or two?

I find those who claim to be godless, they have no inner core to stick to nor can stand firm on.
Unless they want to make their stand based on reason, compassion, empathy, and human well-being. No gods required.

It makes narrowing down things quite difficult when diversion and distraction are the norm.
Part of that may have been where you forgot to whom you were responding.

Its not about truth.
No, it is about exploring reality.

Its about defending an agenda at all cost.
No, it is science vs anti-science. You are anti-science.

Truth may be mixed with error or presumption... stirred with personal hatred (which is always denied) .. and then poured into a mold with a middle finger extended having a cute smiley face imprinted on its end.
You are projecting. You should not presume that others think as you do.

I came here to see what the type of atheists who are attracted to this forum have to say. From what I can see, some are going to be in Heaven in spite of what they think they are. Some will not.
Why should I think that there is anything like your 'heaven', or 'afterlife', or 'soul', when all you have are unevidenced assertions?

After a point, I find it too unpleasant to keep watching someone laughing hysterically while shoot dangerous thoughts into their mental veins. Thinking it will not harm them, nor come to an end.
People laughing at your posts is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. ^_^

So, all you can say was...


Again.. a juvenile way of approaching a matter that requires one to become an adult. It causes many to become adults.
You certainly have made your share of juvenile remarks.

Death and reality are adult subjects. Not, for minds who treat it like a video game. Stubborn denial only works up until one's last breath. Then, denial becomes an obsolete option. For, only undeniable reality must follow.
I think you were the one in this thread that claimed that they could not consider that they might be wrong.

I can not deny that there has to be a God. Because I am not a mattoid...
Mattoid? Are you calling people names? What is a mattoid?

who is willing to accept the thought that all the complexities in life and matter that function with perfect precision that we see in creation could have all come about by without circumstance, nor being manufactured and designed by a mind of such high intelligence, that it makes those who are inappropriately proud of their intellect on this earth to feel insignificant and like they are nothing in comparison. So they must deny it.
All of the parasites, and extinct animals, designed by a super genius for which you have no evidence. What is there to deny?

This just did not happen by chance.
I don't think it did either.

Evolution theory as to the origin of life is based upon having mindless chance guiding the outcomes.
The theory of evolution is not abiogenesis. Did you not know that?

Did you go through that material that I provided in post #683?

It all just fell into place...matter always existed.
Who said that?

And, randomly organized into living breathing organisms. I am not that stupid to believe it could.
I don't believe that either. Who sold you that straw man?

Evolutionists are always insulting the intelligence of those whom they wish to cleverly deceive.
No, I think they are insulting the intelligence of those that think the burning of a few straw men will falsify what I understand to be one of the better evidenced mainstream scientific theories.

They know their talking points, but if put into a machine that cuts off the ability to lie to self, they would have to tell you they are unable to explain a thing and end up with reality not standing strong.
You have that confused with religion.


That is not the complete life cycle of the monarch butterfly. It is missing what I think is the coolest part - how the butterflies migrate south for the winter, and their descendants make the return trip, using ancestral memory. That is amazing.
 
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I'm pretty sure the theists still have zero evidence.

Yet they're still theists.

Can you explain that in one word?

And more importantly, what keeps them theists?
 
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Yet they're still theists.

Can you explain that in one word?

And more importantly, what keeps them theists?

A few things. 1, generally, once people have a certain way of thinking, it takes far more evidence and convincing to make people change that view than it did to establish it in the first place. 2, humans often fear the unknown, and when god provides a blanket explanation for everything, people feel that anything unknown is meant to be and don't worry about it so much.
 
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I don't think it qualifies as projecting; that is when one places their own secret feelings onto others. I doubt genez thinks he is godless or has no moral foundations, though his grouping of all atheists together and calling all atheists immoral is noted and not appreciated.


Morality is for both the believer and unbeliever. Its not an exclusive for believers only.
 
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I guess you do not know? It was done in response to atheistic Communism.

It was done in response to fear mongering. Miller's "The Crucible" is probably the best metaphor.

What I find ironic is that Jehovah Witnesses refuse to take the pledge at all since it is idol worship. Out of all the views, I find this one to be the most honest.
 
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It was done in response to fear mongering. Miller's "The Crucible" is probably the best metaphor.

What I find ironic is that Jehovah Witnesses refuse to take the pledge at all since it is idol worship. Out of all the views, I find this one to be the most honest.


You done yet?

I was going to school then. It was done in response to atheistic Communism.

Also.. "In God we trust" was also added to our currency at that time.

Apparently, atheistic Communism triggered a strong response in the vast majority of the American people.
 
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In one word: psychology

In two words: psychological need


Psychology gets its meaning from the Greek word for 'soul.' psuché.

Yes, he has a need in his soul. The soul is what God saves. Not the body.
 
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Are you done?

It was done in response to the Red Scare, which was fear mongering at the hands of conservative christians.

Let's see.

You do not believe there is a God who created all the complexity around you, that runs with the precision of an atomic clock.. That it just came out of matter which appeared out from nowhere.. (unexplainable)

And...

You do not believe the Communist Russians were ever a threat to the people of the United States.


OK

Well... maybe you felt at home with the Communist thinking. But, for those of us who truly enjoyed being free, we did not feel at ease with the threat of godless Communism.


Have a nice day... in time.. while time lasts for you. For that's all you got.


Remember! Random chance brought you... not the stork!
 
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Let's see.

You do not believe there is a God who created all the complexity around you that runs with the precision of an atomic clock.. That is just came out of matter which appeared out from nowhere..

That is not my belief. I strongly suspect that our universe came from something.

You do not believe the Communist Russians were ever a threat to the people of the United States.

I do not believe that there was any threat of atheistic communists taking over our country from the inside, nor do I think that inserting "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance would have foiled all of their plans.

Boris: "Hey comrade, did you see that they put "under God" in the pledge of allegiance?"

Natasha: "They did?!?! There is no way we can take over the government now!!!!"

Do you really think that is what happened? Really?


But, for those who truly enjoy being free, they did not feel at ease with the threat of godless Communism.

How was putting "under God" in the pledge supposed to defend us from an invasion from Soviet Russia? Please explain.
 
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Why? What's so important about a soul?


After all... If God has his way with souls rejecting him. Its the soul that will be tormented in the Lake of Fire. Not a physical body. The soul is what God created in his image. Not the body. The soul is invisible and living like God. God created the human soul to have self consciousness and to have the ability to reason and to use volition.

Interesting.. I only once met someone who thought we have no soul. That we are simply our body. I must say... He was a real clod and very stubborn. People around him who heard him say that felt disdain and pity for his lack of life. I wonder if all that think we have no soul are the same way. Only met one so far.
 
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After all... If God has his way with rejecting souls. Its the soul that will be tormented in the Lake of Fire. Not a physical body. The soul is what God created in his image. Not the body. The soul invisible like God. God created it to have self consciousness and to have the ability to reason and have volition.

Interesting.. I only once met someone who thought we have no soul. That we are simply our body. I must say... He was a real clod and very stubborn. People around him who heard him say that felt disdain and pity for his lack of life. I wonder if all that think we have no soul are the same way. Only met one so far.

I see a lot of claims, but zero evidence.
 
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How was putting "under God" in the pledge supposed to defend us from an invasion from Soviet Russia? Please explain.
It gave them a friendly reminder Who they were messing with.
 
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