would this be proof of god

[Delphiki]

And for the record, your analogy is way off.

NONE of God's children are "going to the basement."

Right, because an eternity of fire and torture, I imagine, is far worse.

Do you think I killed anyone? Do I deserve an eternity of suffering?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you think I killed anyone? Do I deserve an eternity of suffering?

You're asking a hard question.

Let me quote a verse here:

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Now let's apply the same logic in that verse to your question:

Nevertheless death reigned from Christ to Eternity Future, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of those who put Christ on the Cross, Who was the figure of Him that came.

 

[Delphiki]

So, even though I didn't kill anyone, I still deserve eternal suffering because someone else did.

Wow. This just keeps getting worse and worse. And here I thought we atheists were the ones who lacked morals.

 

[anyathesword]

Your reluctance to explicitly answer the question yourself is very revealing. Maybe you are aware of what a mess the answer lands you in.

God prepared Hell for Satan and His Fallen Angels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CabVet]

God prepared Hell for Satan and His Fallen Angels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So he puts people there to keep them company?

 

[anyathesword]

Name one crime that you honestly think is justifiably punished by an eternity of suffering.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[AV1611VET]

So, even though I didn't kill anyone, I still deserve eternal suffering because someone else did.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

 

[AV1611VET]

So he puts people there to keep them company?

Cute.

 

[anyathesword]

So he puts people there to keep them company?

PEOPLE put themselves there!!! God doesn't WANT us there!!! He wants us with HIM!!!


2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[anyathesword]

So he puts people there to keep them company?

Are you asking serious questions and are you thinking logically here?

 

[CabVet]

PEOPLE put themselves there!!!

Of course, that one special place of eternal damnation… We put ourselves there… Great logic.

 

[anyathesword]

So, even though I didn't kill anyone, I still deserve eternal suffering because someone else did.

Wow. This just keeps getting worse and worse. And here I thought we atheists were the ones who lacked morals.

What are you talking about? Killing someone isn't the only thing that would make a person go to hell.

Either way, I think there is a huge problem here. No one seems to understand who God really is.

God is not a God of hatred or wanting to throw people in hell!!! God is love!

God loves you and me and all the creatures of this world! Why would you think God is full of hatred?

Don't forget the one who really hates us and manipulâtes us and destroys us...his name is Satan. He is on a mission to decieve all people of this world to see God as a hateful magical being!!

God is NOT that!!! God loves you soo much!!

 

[anyathesword]

Of course, that one special place of eternal damnation… We put ourselves there… Great logic.

When we willfully deny God and rebell against Him, yes we do.

Let me ask you something, why do you not want to believe in God or why do you not want Him to be part of your life? What keeps you against God?

 

[Delphiki]

PEOPLE put themselves there!!! God doesn't WANT us there!!! He wants us with HIM!!!

Keep in mind that he's all-powerful and you're saying he doesn't want us there, but we end up there anyway. Maybe he just doesn't not want it enough, I guess.

His universe, his creation, his rules, right?

2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So, if I go to hell, I'm really only there until I've repented?

 

[anyathesword]

So, even though I didn't kill anyone, I still deserve eternal suffering because someone else did.

Wow. This just keeps getting worse and worse. And here I thought we atheists were the ones who lacked morals.

Actually I would like to know what kind of morals athiest have. For real? What kind of morals do you have and where do you get them from? Serious question!

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

No, it really doesn't make sense. I mean, really doesn't.

 

[Delphiki]

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

So, you agree that non-belief is comparable to murder?

 

[Paulos23]

Um, excuse me but do you all forget Jesus? I think so! He came to earth to explain a whole heck of alot of things and besides that, He came to DIE, a horrible death for doing NOTHING wrong, just to save us!!

I did not forget Jesus, but I have found nothing to convice me there. Either Jesus was a man who thought he was the son of god, or he was divine. And if he was divine, dieing for rules god made to become divine doesn't seam like much of a sacrafice.

Beside, it isn't that clear of a message and it has been muddled by men writting it down and later other men making mistakes or changing it. The Bible is a book with a long history and the version we have today is not the original version.

Just because you haven't experienced God in the way that YOU want, does NOT mean He doesn't exist! Your perception is not always reality!

True, but that doesn't mean any religion is true either. I find it better to withhold belief until there was good reason to believe.

If the earth and universe and people's testimonies, and Jesus's death has no impact on you, then you will never believe! It's called eyes that are blind.

Maybe, but I haven't seen any reason to add a divine reason for the universe. It is not needed.

No there is no evidence that the earth works in harmony to make a livable environment for animals and humans, that the world rotâtes on an axis, has planets situated in perfect places, has weather cycles working in harmony to show seasons, animal and human DNA working perfectly, the birth of a baby, nooo its nothing, its just like this.

Yes, we are lucky. But does the puddle shape the hole or the hole shape the puddle?

Have you ever seen a baby born? I have and if you can't see anything special about that, then continue to live your life without seeing the Truth!!!

Yes, my own son. And if the doctors where not good enough he would not have been born alive or live the minute it took to get him to breath. Nor would my wife survived the pregnancy. Without medicne that man has discovered and made I would be much sadder.

I don't see Godd there, but I understand why you do.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Actually I would like to know what kind of morals athiest have. For real? What kind of morals do you have and where do you get them from? Serious question!

Gosh, I can't imagine. Just think, without the threat of hell and god watching us all the time we could do anything we liked! It must be a mystery to you that we don't spend all day murdering and raping. Or perhaps the question is more a reflection of where you get your morals from? Do you merely behave in a certain way because you have been told that if you don't you will go to hell and be tortured for eternity? Do you think that makes you a good person? Fear of consequences? Think about it.

 

[anyathesword]

Keep in mind that he's all-powerful and you're saying he doesn't want us there, but we end up there anyway. Maybe he just doesn't not want it enough, I guess.

His universe, his creation, his rules, right?



So, if I go to hell, I'm really only there until I've repented?

We end up there anyway IF we do not love God with all our hearts, and repent, yes. He doesn't want what? Oh yes He wants you, He wants you to feel His love, His power. Did you know that everytime you cry, an angel is there to put your tears in a bottle and bring it to God? He knows every time you feel desperate and sad. He knows, don't worry.

All He askes is for you and me to Love Him with all our hearts, minds, and bodies, to take care of ourselfves, to stay away from bad influences, and to turn away from sin if we make mistakes (repent). No one is perfect, that's not what He is asking. He just asks to be your Father.


No, when you die, there is no turning back. Actually when you die and if you go to hell, when you get there you will not even know there is God or love or hope. It is just suffering through and through. Your choice is here on earth now.