Tiktaalik ha ha

[dad]

There is a gap between 4 and 6. It can be filled with 5.

Only, when we find 5, there are now two more smaller gaps... Those can be filled with 4.5 and 5.5....

Only now we have 4 more even smaller gaps... 4.25, 4.75, 5.25, and 5.75

And so on and so on...

There is a gap in what fossils we have compared to what lived! That gap means that so called science has a gap between their claims, and ears.

 

[dad]

Again, fossils are not required for evolution to be proven as true.

You can SEE it happen. Therefore it happens.

So? Life does lots of stuff just the way God made it to, and the best way it can in this present nature!

How sweet it is.

 

[dad]

Just change your story with no limits?
Seriously?
Just.. seriously?

Right, I prefer some semblance of an ability to know.

This is how science works, evidence is tested and restested and reevaluated repeatedly to get a more accurate understanding.

Nothing to do with the creation issues or debate. That applies to the here and now only. That is where they test.

There is never a limit to how much this could change,

I'll say!!

the more that is discovered. Were you taught creationism in school?

Yes. Catholic school used to teach that God created stuff.

Because that lovely "THIS HAPPENED END OF CONVERSATION" approach to understanding, doesn't work with anything else in the universe. But I'm glad you have such an almighty and magnificent understanding of the universe. Can I get a pedastal as big as yours?

The view God gave man is available for all. Do you believe in a real creation and flood?

You putting it down to changing a story, as though out of shame for incorrect, they're now joining a different bandwagon to save embarassment.

When you come down, get back to us.

You're placing science in the religious camp with people justifying being wrong.

Science is like toilet paper, it has it's place. That place in not everywhere you like to stick it though.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is a gap in what fossils we have compared to what lived! That gap means that so called science has a gap between their claims, and ears.

Gaps between what? How did you determine that there were gaps?

 

[Heissonear]

There is a gap between 4 and 6. It can be filled with 5.

Only, when we find 5, there are now two more smaller gaps... Those can be filled with 4.5 and 5.5....

Only now we have 4 more even smaller gaps... 4.25, 4.75, 5.25, and 5.75

And so on and so on...

To ask for a complete record of every single individual organism that ever lived is unreasonable and completely unnecessary for understanding the evidence.

When will creationists stop using such a dishonest and ridiculous argument?

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Low on comprehension?

There is no 4 or 5, much less 2 through 99 present in the "gaps".

This is for every "creature", they all present the same gaps.

Look at your Paleontology text. Look in your Natural History museums.

You don't believe it, do you. This would not fit the Naturalism box you and many others are in.

I was raised a Naturalist, have a Stratigraphy degree, and a scientist by profession. Who are you trying to fool? Is your fallback going to be "general consensus" or evidence? Which do you walk by?

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[Delphiki]

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Low on comprehension?

There is no 4 or 5, much less 2 through 99 present in the "gaps".

This is for every "creature", they all present the same gaps.

Look at your Paleontology text. Look in your Natural History museums.

You don't believe it, do you. This would not fit the Naturalism box you and many others are in.

I was raised a Naturalist, have a Stratigraphy degree, and a scientist by profession. Who are you trying to fool? Is your fallback going to be "general consensus" or evidence? Which do you walk by?

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You're questioning my ability to comprehend before demonstrating a blatant inability to understand an analogy? Ok, champ.

I've said it many times before and I will say it again: All fossils represent a transition from one species to another.

As long as we don't have the direct offspring or parent for each organism, there will always be some kind of gap. So to say that the Theory of Evolution is flawed because there are gaps in the recorded evidence is simply asinine. There is such an abundance of supporting evidence for biological evidence (genetically, geologically, physiologically, and so on) that we don't have to know every single organism or every single species that ever existed to know that evolution occurs.

If you were capable of comprehension, you'd know that I wasn't denying there are "gaps". I'm telling you that those gaps you bring up mean squat in the face of the amount of evidence there is.

Anyway, I grew up going to the Smithsonian. How many times have you been to a natural history museum?

Lastly, you can claim your profession all you want on an internet forum... but if you are both a stratigrapher and a creationist, then you're likely only doing good job at one of those at best.

 

[Queller]

I seem to recall some birds being in the Jurassic period.

That's the Jurassic environment, not time period, right?

 

[freezerman2000]

Maybe that's why it doesn't change every four days!!





If I wanted peers for so called science I would look in a loony bin. My peers are people who actually are true and honest and tested and knew stuff.
Absurd. Telling us about how creation happened is more than spiritual.



Jesus was more than just a ghost when He rose from the dead also! He is going to rule the world...not some silly spiritual pi in the sky.

It changes with every new translation,not much,but it does change..but that is an entirely different topic

It tells us that it HAPPENED,not HOW.

That's spiritual,in the future..we are dealing with the past right now

 

[Queller]

Completely missing/ignoring the point.

You said, in that topic, that birds are of two kinds - flightless and flying.

In this topic, you're saying that flightless birds came from flying birds after leaving the Ark.

So, by the standard you set, that would be an example of one 'kind' changing into another 'kind'. Do you deny this?

And at a rate orders of magnitude faster than anything claimed by the theory of evolution.

 

[Queller]

OK, so let's look at your details. Dolphins would not have been able to fossilize one would think.

Why would one think that?

 

[Queller]

Past states do not have direct evidence.

Do they have indirect evidence? If so, what is it? How is that evidence not better explained by other theories?

It is a way to view evidence we do have!

What is "a way to view evidence we do have?"

You use the same state past belief in viewing.

Because I have no evidence to make me think that a different state existed in the past.

 

[Queller]

I believe in a real creation a little over 6000 years ago, and a real worldwide flood 1600 or whatever years after that.

How can you possibly believe that? That timeline requires that time flowed back then exactly as it does now. That would be a same-state past.

 

[Queller]

Last I heard, Trilobites were mostly scavengers living on the ocean floor.

Shellfish, crabs, crayfish, lobsters, halibut, flounder, catfish, and some sharks live and feed on the ocean floor but their fossils have NEVER been found with trilobites.

Same with grasses and flowers. They grow on land.

There are many types of grasses that grow underwater.

Funny how almost every period has a mysterious "extinction event" that scientists can't seem to explain.

Can you name an extinction event that "scientists can't seem to explain?

The whole fossil record is one big extinction event. The flood!

A worldwide flood would not the leave the fossil record the way it is. It's impossible.

Just bumping for ED or maybe I'm the one he is ignoring.

 

[Black Akuma]

And at a rate orders of magnitude faster than anything claimed by the theory of evolution.

I know, but one thing at a time. Give him too much leeway and he'll run off.

 

[Loudmouth]

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Low on comprehension?

There is no 4 or 5, much less 2 through 99 present in the "gaps".

This is for every "creature", they all present the same gaps.

This is just as we should see due to the fact that we have searched such a tiny percentage of the fossil record, and due to the fact of the imperfect geologic record. You have been told this numerous times. Does this spiritual realm cause you to forget things?

 

[EternalDragon]

Shellfish, crabs, crayfish, lobsters, halibut, flounder, catfish, and some sharks live and feed on the ocean floor but their fossils have NEVER been found with trilobites.

Um, yes they have. (Not the flounder, catfish and halibut) Research the Devonian period.

Besides how do you know that the flounder, catfish and halibut existed as species before Noah's flood?

 

[Split Rock]

Um, yes they have. (Not the flounder, catfish and halibut) Research the Devonian period.

The real question is why aren't any of these found with trilobites in Cambrian layers.

Besides how do you know that the flounder, catfish and halibut existed as species before Noah's flood?

That would mean either:
a. They evolved.
b. God created them much later.

 

[Black Akuma]

Um, yes they have. (Not the flounder, catfish and halibut) Research the Devonian period.

How about you show your work?

Besides how do you know that the flounder, catfish and halibut existed as species before Noah's flood?

None of them ever existed as a species, because none of them are a single species.

 

[CabVet]

Besides how do you know that the flounder, catfish and halibut existed as species before Noah's flood?

Because nothing was created after the flood.

 

[Loudmouth]

The irony in all of this is that they found a fish with a tetrapod pectoral and pelvic girdle. They found a part fish, part tetrapod transitional. Creationists have been running from this fact for 260 posts now.