Tiktaalik ha ha

[Subduction Zone]

Not to one who does not blindly believe in your claimed past nature. You are in no poistion to preach to us about how things decomposed or not in the unknown past.

Who cares what caused trilobites to die? Either they did or they are here now. I go with facts and evidence and reality. Dinos died too. Lots of stuff died, new stuff evolved...and round and round goes the world.
Sad. You do seem to crave to win. You must come over to the winning side first. Only here will you finally taste what you always missed.

No one is claiming anything about a "past nature".

Remember dad, without evidence you lose.

The facts and evidence support evolution only. Too bad you have none to support yourself.

One more time dad, without evidence you lose.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Why would I need to 'discredit' a silly dead fish???? Tiktaalik is just an excuse to revel in the fails of so called science claims, and mock the fable or godless evolution. Naturally, when the fossil record comes up, or other abused and misused bits of evidence, proper and true light must be shone on the issues.

Oh, I didn't realize it was just a "silly dead fish"! What a compelling counterargument to the variety of mosaic features it displays. Did you really just make an ad hom against the topic of discussion. It's particularly strange to pretend you never cared in the first place considering you started this thread.

Hold your breath till you turn blue if you like also. I won't make the Good Man's record go away.

The record attested to only by you. I'm new here, but I'm guessing your record consists of failing to argue the your views conform to reality and then invoking your endlessly convenient different-state past and then declaring victory.

Who cares what caused trilobites to die? Either they did or they are here now. I go with facts and evidence and reality. Dinos died too. Lots of stuff died, new stuff evolved...and round and round goes the world.

"Who cares" is the response of a surly teenager, not a real counterargument. Pointing out that lots of other things died does not resolve the issue presented to your belief by the fact that those many things did not start dieing and showing up in the fossil record at the same time.

 

[freezerman2000]

Not to one who does not blindly believe in your claimed past nature. You are in no poistion to preach to us about how things decomposed or not in the unknown past.

Who cares what caused trilobites to die? Either they did or they are here now. I go with facts and evidence and reality. Dinos died too. Lots of stuff died, new stuff evolved...and round and round goes the world.
Sad. You do seem to crave to win. You must come over to the winning side first. Only here will you finally taste what you always missed.

Why would I need to 'discredit' a silly dead fish???? Tiktaalik is just an excuse to revel in the fails of so called science claims, and mock the fable or godless evolution. Naturally, when the fossil record comes up, or other abused and misused bits of evidence, proper and true light must be shone on the issues.

Hold your breath till you turn blue if you like also. I won't make the Good Man's record go away.

First you say that life evolved,then you call evolution a "Godless fable".Which is it?
You can't be on both sides of the ball court at the same time!
GOTCHA!

 

[EternalDragon]

So you think creation was in the Devonian?

No, I do not. I believe what the bible states.

The trilobites and fish died in the early stages of the flood and were buried in sediment.

 

[Queller]

NO MODEL T EVER DESIGNED ANYTHING MORE THAN A ROCK DID ACTUALLY.

Are you having trouble reading? Who did the designing is not the point.

And you can't even get your strawman claims correct. Nobody claims that the ancestor of an organism designed anything about the descendent organism. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Oafman]

The trilobites and fish died in the early stages of the flood and were buried in sediment.

But not the same sediment. Or we'd find fossils next to each other wouldn't we?

 

[CabVet]

But not the same sediment. Or we'd find fossils next to each other wouldn't we?

Oh, don't worry, logic won't bother him.

 

[Queller]

There is in mine though. The former state did not allow most creatures to fossilize.

Why not?

 

[CabVet]

Why not?

Because the former state has whichever property dad can think of to justify his beliefs.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, I do not. I believe what the bible states.

The trilobites and fish died in the early stages of the flood and were buried in sediment.

Why don't we find whales and dolphins in those early stages? Why don't we find any mammals in terrestrial Devonian strata? Why don't we find any grasses or flowering plants in the Devonian?

 

[EternalDragon]

Why don't we find whales and dolphins in those early stages? Why don't we find any mammals in terrestrial Devonian strata? Why don't we find any grasses or flowering plants in the Devonian?

Last I heard, Trilobites were mostly scavengers living on the ocean floor. Not swimming with dolphins. Same with grasses and flowers. They grow on land.

Funny how almost every period has a mysterious "extinction event" that scientists can't seem to explain. The whole fossil record is one big extinction event. The flood!

 

[Loudmouth]

Last I heard, Trilobites were mostly scavengers living on the ocean floor. Not swimming with dolphins. Same with grasses and flowers. They grow on land.

Last I checked, the Devonian was a TIME period, not a specific environment.

Why can't we find grasses or flowering plants anywhere in terrestrial Devonian sediments?

 

[EternalDragon]

Last I checked, the Devonian was a TIME period, not a specific environment.

Why can't we find grasses or flowering plants anywhere in terrestrial Devonian sediments?

News flash. It was a specific environment.

Your long age time sequence is incorrect.

 

[Subduction Zone]

News flash. It was a specific environment.

Your long age time sequence is incorrect.

Wrong, it was a time period. If it was an "environment" then we could find grasses before it. We don't. The reason that we don't find grasses are the same reason that we don't find people. They have not evolved yet.

 

[Loudmouth]

News flash. It was a specific environment.

Jesus wept.

"By the Devonian Period, life was well underway in its colonization of the land. The bacterial and algal mats were joined early in the period by primitive plants that created the first recognizable soils and harbored some arthropods like mites, scorpions and myriapods. Early Devonian plants did not have roots or leaves like the plants most common today, and many had no vascular tissue at all. They probably spread largely by vegetative growth, and did not grow much more than a few centimeters tall.

By the Late Devonian, forests of large, primitive plants existed: lycophytes, sphenophytes, ferns, and progymnosperms had evolved. Most of these plants have true roots and leaves, and many were quite tall. The tree-like Archaeopteris, ancestral to the gymnosperms, and the giant cladoxylopsid trees had true wood. These are the oldest known trees of the world's first forests."
Timeline of plant evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Devonian is a time period. Really.

Your long age time sequence is incorrect.

Evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Last I heard, Trilobites were mostly scavengers living on the ocean floor. Not swimming with dolphins. Same with grasses and flowers. They grow on land.

Funny how almost every period has a mysterious "extinction event" that scientists can't seem to explain. The whole fossil record is one big extinction event. The flood!

What is so mysterious about the various extinction events?

For a major change to happen, such as the end of the dinosaurs, something must kill them off or at the very least weaken the extant species significantly. Animals don't just die off for no reason at all. For example we can trace the death of dinosaurs to a asteroid strike in the Yucatan. That allowed small mammals that survived to evolve and fill the empty nices.

Once again E.D. you are only showing your ignorance. Try to ask questions seriously when you do not understand something and people will be more apt to help you.

 

[dad]

Fish can fossilize. We have all sorts of fish fossils.
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Yes, of course they can. They started to be able to fairly early on in the fossil record. However, not from the start. Yes fish can fossilize now. Try to address the topic though, rather than stating the obvious as if you were participating, and had a point.

 

[EternalDragon]

Wrong, it was a time period. If it was an "environment" then we could find grasses before it. We don't. The reason that we don't find grasses are the same reason that we don't find people. They have not evolved yet.

The reason is, they were up on dry land.

 

[Loudmouth]

The reason is, they were up on dry land.

The dry land did not contain any grasses or flowering plants during the Devonian. None.

 

[dad]

No one is claiming anything about a "past nature".

On the contrary, we need our nature, our present state laws and forces in place to enable the sort of widespread fossilization that can occur here. Since you try to claim that this happened in the far past, you are precisely trying to impose this present state there. You have no jurisdiction there.

The facts and evidence support evolution only.

Since evolving did happen and rapidly, that says nothing. We can be certain that nothing supports godless evolution from some fantasy first lifeform in a same state past though.