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[Loudmouth]

What that tells me is that he was not filled with the Spirit when he wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races.

What spirit? Evidence please.

 

[Skaloop]

What that tells me is that he was not filled with the Spirit when he wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races.

Except the basis for his book was established long before his daughter died, and throughout his life, despite struggling with his faith at times (as many Christians do), he continued doing work for his church and never denied God's existence. How spirit-filled he may or may not have been, you have no way of knowing.

And I know you love to get a jab in by using only the subtitle of his book due to racist connotations, but proper citation rules and common decency indicate that the primary title should be included as well. If you want to call it On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, so be it. Calling it by only the latter is disingenuous, even for you.

 

[AV1611VET]

How spirit-filled he may or may not have been, you have no way of knowing.

Then this:

His daughter's death made him struggle with his belief in God because he did not think a loving god would allow his daughter to suffer so.

... can take a hike.

And for the record, his daughter's death did not make him struggle with belief in God; he chose to struggle with it on his own.

I fail to see how a Spirit-filled man of God can, at the same time, be struggling with believing in God, and writing a book detailing how we are mutant copy-errors made in His image & likeness.

 

[Loudmouth]

Then this:

... can take a hike.

And for the record, his daughter's death did not make him struggle with belief in God; he chose to struggle with it on his own.

I fail to see how a Spirit-filled man of God can, at the same time, be struggling with believing in God, and writing a book detailing how we are mutant copy-errors made in His image & likeness.

What spirit? What God? Any evidence yet?

 

[Skaloop]

I fail to see how a Spirit-filled man of God can, at the same time, be struggling with believing in God, and writing a book detailing how we are mutant copy-errors made in His image & likeness.

Yes, I know. You're too myopic.

 

[AV1611VET]

What spirit? What God? Any evidence yet?

You tell me what God.

And that brings up a good point.

Was Darwin referring to Jesus Christ?

(In my opinion, he was.)

 

[biggles53]

If you want to call it On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, so be it. Calling it by only the latter is disingenuous, even for you.

And it needs to be added (although I am sure that AV is aware of this) that the word 'race' was interchangeable with 'species' in the 18th Century....

 

[Skaloop]

And it needs to be added (although I am sure that AV is aware of this) that the word 'race' was interchangeable with 'species' in the 18th Century....

Oh, he's aware of it. Unless he happened to skip over the many many posts over the years telling him as much even though he replied to them. And that's why it's disingenuous. Bearing false witness, even.

 

[createdtoworship]

Yeah, I saw that quote. But he didn't say there was anything wrong with the word changing. I'm asking you to express your issues in your own words.

my issue is that it is moving the goal posts, thats it.

 

[createdtoworship]

I find it amusing that Gradyl invokes an ad-hoc theory of physics that hasn't made a single prediction, and is therefore, in some sense, unverified.

I mean, God must exist, and since he hasn't appeared in our usual space and time, guess he must be hiding out in those extra dimensions..

exactly, God is in the Gaps. I believe it more accurate than to say, God is not anywhere, and that every thing started from nothing.

 

[Skaloop]

my issue is that it is moving the goal posts, thats it.

Nobody's moving the goalposts. The organic transition of word meaning is not moving the goalposts.

And if you want to complain about the changing definitions of words, you're committing a fallacy yourself. The Etymological Fallacy.

Etymological fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[createdtoworship]

Nobody's moving the goalposts. The organic transition of word meaning is not moving the goalposts.

And if you want to complain about the changing definitions of words, you're committing a fallacy yourself. The Etymological Fallacy.

Etymological fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well then ID means what I say it does and not creationism, so there.

 

[biggles53]

exactly, God is in the Gaps.

Ha.....you better hope not................the gaps are getting smaller and fewer every day...!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ha.....you better hope not................the gaps are getting smaller and fewer every day...!

No, the gaps do keep getting smaller. But every time we "fill" a gap we are actually making two new gaps of half the size

 

[Skaloop]

well then ID means what I say it does and not creationism, so there.

Except that the change from Creation to ID was a deliberate attempt to skirt the law. That's why I said the change in meaning for atheist was organic; because the change from Creation to ID was not.

You still haven't said what atheist originally meant, or what it now means, or why that change in meaning is a problem.

 

[createdtoworship]

Except that the change from Creation to ID was a deliberate attempt to skirt the law. That's why I said the change in meaning for atheist was organic; because the change from Creation to ID was not.

You still haven't said what atheist originally meant, or what it now means, or why that change in meaning is a problem.

organic? not sure I understand. Sounds like you are the one skirting around lol.

btw obeying law is lawful and good, no matter how you do it.

 

[createdtoworship]

No, the gaps do keep getting smaller. But every time we "fill" a gap we are actually making two new gaps of half the size

now we are getting into polytheism, which is not cool.

(IMHO)

lol

 

[Skaloop]

organic? not sure I understand. Sounds like you are the one skirting around lol.

Organic meaning it happened naturally, not through influence of law or agenda.

btw obeying law is lawful and good, no matter how you do it.

Except it wasn't lawful (as evidenced by the court ruling), it was a deceptive attempt at bypassing the law, not an effort to obey the law.

 

[createdtoworship]

Organic meaning it happened naturally, not through influence of law or agenda.

Except it wasn't lawful (as evidenced by the court ruling), it was a deceptive attempt at bypassing the law, not an effort to obey the law.

"agenda" yeah I would say there was an agenda, skirting around criticism seems like a good one to me.

also due to the fact that some evolutionists are employed at discovery institute and due to the fact athiests are writing books on ID comes to reveal a few things. That they are separate entities. ID may have been inspired by creationism but there are no links connecting them today. So to say Creationsism changed to ID is wrong because both exist today and there is no tie between.

so skirting is off the hook for us, yeah.

but not for you guys, not yet.

 

[Skaloop]

"agenda" yeah I would say there was an agenda, skirting around criticism seems like a good one to me.

That must be why you like doing it so much.

also due to the fact that some evolutionists are employed at discovery institute

Name two.

and due to the fact athiests are writing books on ID

Name two.

So to say Creationsism changed to ID is wrong because both exist today and there is no tie between.

Except that when called upon to show their differences, they were stone cold busted for having the exact same content.