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[Skaloop]

If you understand how and why you are here you will understand why everything dies.

So how does that make death a lesser emotion in an evolutionary world? In our evolutionary world, fear of death would be strongly selected for, and is a strong emotion.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that death is not an emotion.

 

[createdtoworship]

REvelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”[c] says the Lord,[d] “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

so Here God is claiming to be the beginning and the end, which would be implied that HE was outside of time.

here is a clip from a site that may help:

God lives outside the bounds of time as we know it (Isaiah 57:15). Our destiny was planned “before the beginning of time” (2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2) and “before the creation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20). “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible” (Hebrews 11:3). In other words, the physical universe we see, hear, feel and experience was created not from existing matter, but from a source independent of the physical dimensions we can perceive.

“God is spirit” (John 4:24), and, correspondingly, God is timeless rather than being eternally in time or being beyond time. Time was simply created by God as a limited part of His creation for accommodating the workings of His purpose in His disposable universe (see 2 Peter 3:10-12).

What verses in scripture support the Christian doctrine that god exists outside of time? - Yahoo! Answers

this is where I mention that The Bible says it, remember now?

 

[Valiantis]

So how does that make death a lesser emotion in an evolutionary world?

There is only the evolutionary world.

In our evolutionary world, fear of death would be strongly selected for, and is a strong emotion.

Fear of death leads us to do strange things, you need only look at the crazy religions and beliefs around to see that.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that death is not an emotion.

It is the dying that causes the fear not the death.

 

[Skaloop]

There is only the evolutionary world.

I agree.

Fear of death leads us to do strange things, you need only look at the crazy religions and beliefs around to see that.

Yes, it can do so.

It is the dying that causes the fear not the death.

Tomato, tomahto.

Anyway, I only just realized that you are a different person than I was originally responding to. So while I appreciate your response, I still await toolmanjantzi's answers.

 

[createdtoworship]

Never happened.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7767011-16/#post63995956

 

[TheBeardedDude]

How do you get 26 dimension spacetime and god existing in a realm outside of time from any of that?

Why, if it's true, would god not just explicitly have the author write it down?

And why (yet again) would a being capable of presenting itself to all of its creation simultaneously in all times, choose them then?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I never cease to be amazed that religion still exists.

Once again. Exactly, what would you use to measure amazing?

 

[EternalDragon]

What rubbish.....you're saying the same thing, just using different words....!

Eternal life is only granted to those who "ask sincerely" you say.... And who makes that determination ( that the person asked sincerely) if not your god...!?

So, in other words, your god is making a judgement as to who will and won't 'qualify'.............which is exactly what I said....!

There is no judgement. You ask out of a repentant heart, you get the gift.

This is not a free ride. There will be serious consequences to whatever choice you make.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I do not think death is an emotion, the emotion is felt in the lead up to death, death is the end, there is no memory of the death, even the way the death occurred is gone.

So, now your an expert on The existence of God, and all the attributes of death.

Tell me how do you know death is real?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

*sigh*

Why would death be a lesser emotion in an evolutionary world?

I'm not an evolutionist.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Religions will exist as long as people fear death.

Who fears death?

 

[createdtoworship]

How do you get 26 dimension spacetime and god existing in a realm outside of time from any of that?

Why, if it's true, would god not just explicitly have the author write it down?

And why (yet again) would a being capable of presenting itself to all of its creation simultaneously in all times, choose them then?

the Bible is not a science textbook, it relays scientific information in one form....but not as a textbook. It would not be for "everybody" if it was a science textbook. I think you misunderstand this. You asked for evidence I provided it to you. God is outside of time, thats what the Bible says. If He is or is not massless isn't a Biblical concept but a physics one. If you are outside of time, you have no mass. E=MC2. Right? This means that God probably exists in a dimension higher than ours (up to 26) so far counted. The three dimensions we live in plus time is four dimensions only. "26 dimensional space" time is not an accurate description. Those are your words. Time is only one dimension space is probably more like 3 or more not the whole 26. See you have an oreo composed of creme and cookie......but to say I have a oreo cream cookie, doesn't really sound right. It's just an oreo, it's cream and it's a cookie....two of those things make up the third.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

The intellectual dishonesty is staggering

My thoughts exactly. So why say Bronze Age?

 

[Skaloop]

I'm not an evolutionist.

Apparently not, but you made an assertion about an evolutionary world. So I am asking you about that assertion; why would death be a lesser emotion in an evolutionary world?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

So how does that make death a lesser emotion in an evolutionary world? In our evolutionary world, fear of death would be strongly selected for, and is a strong emotion.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that death is not an emotion.

So, the first one cell bacteria? What did it fear?

Itself?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

There is only the evolutionary world.
Fear of death leads us to do strange things, you need only look at the crazy religions and beliefs around to see that.

It is the dying that causes the fear not the death.

Your experience with dying came from?

 

[Skaloop]

So, the first one cell bacteria? What did it fear?

Itself?

Nothing. It didn't have the ability to fear anything.

 

[biggles53]

There is no judgement. You ask out of a repentant heart, you get the gift.

More weasel words...! And what happens if you don't ask, or don't have a repentant heart...?....You don't get...! And who makes that decision as to whether or not you have asked properly....! In other words, who will JUDGE whether or not you meet the requirements...?

Mate, you're getting awfully desperate............but then, maybe that's what happens when you're playing a losing hand.....

This is not a free ride. There will be serious consequences to whatever choice you make.

And again, who evaluates the type of choice you make...? Who administers the "consequences"....??

 

[EternalDragon]

Have you sacrificed an animal for Zeus today?



Have you turned your back on Vishnu?

You know whenever you say that, it is disrespectful and ignorant. Jesus is the only real person reported by eyewitnesses to have preformed miracles and come back from the dead. Whether you believe the words or not they are there.

 

[biggles53]

You know whenever you say that, it is disrespectful and ignorant. Jesus is the only real person reported by eyewitnesses to have preformed miracles and come back from the dead.

That's just a flat out lie......there are NO eyewitness reports of any miracles...

What you have are HEARSAY accounts from people who were TOLD that someone else had supposedly seen these things....

Why do you think that hearsay evidence is not admissible in courts...?