Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[Pteriax]

I don't know, it sounds like the old literalism-allegory/symbolism when it is convenient methodological switcheroo.

Riiiight.... that's why you bow to the church door, since Jesus said He was the door, and never once claimed the statement to be a metaphor or allegory. He simply stated it.

 

[Pteriax]

I expected that answer. How did Esau's selling of his birthright make him Jacob's servant? On what basis would you make such a claim? Do you have any Biblical support to back this claim? Also, as has already been documented, neither of the passages which Paul cited in Romans chapter 9 in relation to Jacob and Esau had to do with the individuals. No, instead, they both had to do with the nations that came from them, Israel and Edom.

That is an opinion not supported by scripture. Practically all of Romans 9 is Paul explaining election. If you hate the concept so much just cut that chapter out of your Bible.

 

[Johnnz]

That is an opinion not supported by scripture. Practically all of Romans 9 is Paul explaining election. If you hate the concept so much just cut that chapter out of your Bible.

Yours is the opinion not supported by Scripture.

John
NZ

 

[Knee V]

i dont believe its required to practice communion anymore

Is that based on the idea that communion was given to Israel, and since we're in the parenthetical church it does not apply to us? That is the only reason I've ever heard for not practicing it.

 

[Hentenza]

i dont believe its required to practice communion anymore

That is not what Jesus teaches.

 

[Going Merry]

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Is that based on the idea that communion was given to Israel, and since we're in the parenthetical church it does not apply to us? That is the only reason I've ever heard for not practicing it.

Nah i just dont go to any churches and im saved so i guess its not important

That is not what Jesus teaches.

what does he teach?

 

[Tzaousios]

Nah i just dont go to any churches and im saved so i guess its not important

Yeah, there aren't many nondenominational Protestant churches to choose from in Greece, are there?

 

[sonshine234]

No I just don't go to any churches and I'm saved so I guess it's not important

According to Gd it is:


not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

Heb 10:25

 

[Defensor Christi]

Paul would be considered a Calvinist if he were alive today. He taught all five points. And he would probably avoid big "c" churches like the plague that they are.

Another thing I used to believe but do not anymore is that Catholics actually had something going for them. A read through the Bible and the grace of God cured me of that notion.

LOL too funny!! Of course everyone thinks St. Paul was teaching about their interpretation of scripture...

funny thing about you poo-pooing the date provided...Cannonized Scripture came a good 150 years after, dont see you disputing its authenticity...strange.

 

[Defensor Christi]

Says the person that thinks Jesus instituted popes and a sacramental system of salvation instead of grace.

Also, repeating ignorance doesnt make it true either...fyi

 

[Pteriax]

Yours is the opinion not supported by Scripture.

John
NZ

False. That is ignorant of what scripture says. I just cited Romans 9 to establish that fact. It's Paul's opinion, not mine. And according to him, his doctrines came directly from Jesus Christ.

 

[Pteriax]

LOL too funny!! Of course everyone thinks St. Paul was teaching about their interpretation of scripture...

funny thing about you poo-pooing the date provided...Cannonized Scripture came a good 150 years after, dont see you disputing its authenticity...strange.

It was scripture before it was canonized. The ECFs in the first and second century quoted extensively from every book of my Bible save 2, one OT and one NT, and quoted not at all from gnostic texts or heretical documents. Seems that they had the same Bible I do, only think is that mine is all bound together and in English. Trying to claim that big "C" Catholics gave us the Bible is ignorant. Another thing, Paul certainly was not teaching a sacramental system of salvation, regardless of what people say. You can't get that from scripture any more than you can get blood from a turnip.

Also, repeating ignorance doesnt make it true either...fyi

Take your own advice.

 

[Pteriax]

According to Gd it is:


not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

Heb 10:25

It is not required for salvation. God does want us to do it (correctly mind you) but does not damn people who don't.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pteriax

Paul would be considered a Calvinist if he were alive today.
He taught all five points. And he would probably avoid big "c" churches like the plague that they are.

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Wonder if Paul raised any "tulips"

http://www.christianforums.com/t7382164-127/#post52293555
Calvin and the TULIP doctrine

Originally Posted by PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter

i'm having a t.u.l.i.p. cake.

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[nephilimiyr]

What is that supposed to mean? Because someone mentions "Neoplatonic" they are all of a sudden "real learned" and are demanding respect?

Seeing that you're going to answer for me, why even ask me the question?

Otherwise, I actually had already answered it.

 

[Tzaousios]

Seeing that you're going to answer for me, why even ask me the question?

Otherwise, I actually had already answered it.

No, I really want to know why you said it. It came across as disparaging education.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Faith is faith and worship is worship. They are not the same thing.

Agreed, that's pretty much what I said here; "Well, can we and should we engage all of our senses in worship? Yes. Should we base our faith on what all of our senses tell us? NO."

I know of no Christian group that does not do things to get people in a better mind for worship.
With great faith or with little faith, mankind needs to be focused as our minds tend to follow our needs and desires foremost. Worship is not about our needs and desires. It's about God's desire. So some us us use things that touch our senses to get us focused on God and not on our problems.
When I was a baptist we had a specific chorus we sang to get us focused. The biggest difference I noticed was that the baptists did not understand that that chorus was holy. Odd as it was a directly from the Psalter.

Well said, and best explanation so far. I concur, if venerateing icons gets you in the right frame of mind to worship then knock yourself out.

 

[ImaginaryDay]

Yeah, there aren't many nondenominational Protestant churches to choose from in Greece, are there?

Apparently she's an Arizona Greek...

 

[nephilimiyr]

No, I really want to know why you said it. It came across as disparaging education.

Then read the post I made and that you quoted.

"Well now that I know you think of yourself as real learned, um, well, good for you. I'm sure everyone here is real impressed. "

I felt the word was used to impress me and perhaps others here. As I stated in a follow up post, I never heard or saw the word before. I think that there are times when people use these type of words to disparage me and others who aren't as smart as the one who is useing them. Then I feel, like right now, after reading further comments about my post that I'm being mocked for never haveing seen or heard the word before. Trust me though, I'm not offended by this.

 

[Knee V]

Apparently she's an Arizona Greek...

St Anthony's?
Probably not.