Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

[Albion]

The poll limits Peter to "Apostle to the Jews. So I can't vote. I'm not a Jew.

I didn't look at it in exactly the same way, but I agree that that wording in the answers invalidates the poll.

 

[sunlover1]

The only reason we focus on Peter so much is become SOMEBODY keeps starting a new thread & poll on him every day:

Peterphrenia.
Cults of personality have to have a personality to form a cult around.

See? He's got a point!

Darn that Jesus for giving Peter the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.

Because Scripture says,
God IS a respecter of persons..
Oh wait


To answer LL OLD bumped up thread,
Yes, IMO, RCC gives too much attention to
others besides Jesus, including but not limited
to Peter and Mary.
And we all know that there is NONE beside Him.

Waiting for it...

 

[steve_bakr]

See? He's got a point!

Because Scripture says,
God IS a respecter of persons..
Oh wait


To answer LL OLD bumped up thread,
Yes, IMO, RCC gives too much attention to
others besides Jesus, including but not limited
to Peter and Mary.
And we all know that there is NONE beside Him.

Waiting for it...

Come on. We also give attention to our wives. Does that make marriage a cult in the pejorative sense? Giving respect to Peter or Mary ultimately gives respect to Jesus.

 

[Rev Randy]

Waiting for it...

Laughing about you waiting for it.
Like you don't quote penman other than Jesus. Should we cease admiring those not of divinity as good examples altogether? Just how much time do you suppose the Roman spends in admiration of a Saint? More time than focused on Christ?
So is it the person or their Christ-like qualities that are revered? Just something to chew on. Did a Roman Catholic start this thread?
I often wonder if some (not speaking of you on this sis) who find so much fault with the Roman Church spend a quarter of that amount of time examining their own Church? It seems to be a religion for some to denigrate or find fault with the Roman Church. If one really believes they are not the Church why would it matter so much to them? Are they unhappy in their own situation and find it easier to put down others than self examining?

 

[sunlover1]

Laughing about you waiting for it.
Like you don't quote penman other than Jesus. Should we cease admiring those not of divinity as good examples altogether? Just how much time do you suppose the Roman spends in admiration of a Saint? More time than focused on Christ?
So is it the person or their Christ-like qualities that are revered? Just something to chew on. Did a Roman Catholic start this thread?
I often wonder if some (not speaking of you on this sis) who find so much fault with the Roman Church spend a quarter of that amount of time examining their own Church? It seems to be a religion for some to denigrate or find fault with the Roman Church. If one really believes they are not the Church why would it matter so much to them? Are they unhappy in their own situation and find it easier to put down others than self examining?

EVEN THOUGH
We see RCCs who worship mary
We see Baptists who want to picket funerals
We see Charismatics who roll around on the floor
We see PR's who Calvin etc...

That doesn't mean that the entire group is missing it.

 

[Rev Randy]

EVEN THOUGH
We see RCCs who worship mary
We see Baptists who want to picket funerals
We see Charismatics who roll around on the floor
We see PR's who Calvin etc...

That doesn't mean that the entire group is missing it.

Worships Mary? Perhaps some do. I've not met that person. Just wondering ; what denotes worship to you? Would you consider a person who is 'Bible only" as a Bible worshiper?
BTW Westboro are not Baptists. They use the name but I would not begin to count them as such. The Baptist are true believers and deserve better than that.
I'm quite certain that we all have our oddities in worshiping an awesome God. Takes all kinds to make up the Church. Even some goofing up at parts of it. Funny thing is that few of us see things as problematic in our own fellowships.
There is a good reason for that. We love our fellowships like family and are more tolerant of those we see as family. Too bad we can't do that across denominational lines. too bad we can't say, look at Sam, he loves Mary a bit too much, God bless his heart. OR I wonder why Sam loves Mary so much, and then privately ask him to better understand him.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Worships Mary? Perhaps some do. I've not met that person. Just wondering ; what denotes worship to you? Would you consider a person who is 'Bible only" as a Bible worshiper?
BTW Westboro are not Baptists. They use the name but I would not begin to count them as such. The Baptist are true believers and deserve better than that.
I'm quite certain that we all have our oddities in worshiping an awesome God. Takes all kinds to make up the Church. Even some goofing up at parts of it. Funny thing is that few of us see things as problematic in our own fellowships.
There is a good reason for that. We love our fellowships like family and are more tolerant of those we see as family. Too bad we can't do that across denominational lines. too bad we can't say, look at Sam, he loves Mary a bit too much, God bless his heart. OR I wonder why Sam loves Mary so much, and then privately ask him to better understand him.

I agree. We are still on earth and not in Heaven and we will have wolves in sheep's clothing. No fellowship is perfect, on Earth. Though, it feels perfect for some.

As a Catholic and a 7th grade Catechism teacher, I admit that Peter receiving the Keys to Heaven is a part of our doctrine and bears an importance on Peter's office and it's Primacy when he gave up that office in Rome. The Chair of Peter has remain in Rome, even though there were times that it was almost moved. But, the Paraclete protects and preserves what is God's and so no Man can change what the Paraclete protects and guides.

 

[sunlover1]

Worships Mary? Perhaps some do. I've not met that person. Just wondering ; what denotes worship to you?

What I used to do.

Would you consider a person who is 'Bible only" as a Bible worshiper?

The Book? Or God's Words in the Book?
But then can you separate Him from His Word?

BTW Westboro are not Baptists. They use the name but I would not begin to count them as such. The Baptist are true believers and deserve better than that.

I agree that Baptists deserve better,
but unfortunately there are fringe groups in all
sects that make the 'sect' look worse.

Funny thing is that few of us see things as problematic in our own fellowships.

Not sure that's a true statement, I see problems in mine, as well as yours.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people notice their own.
Perhaps here in GT they minimize those problems.
I've been in OBOB and they bellyache about things that in GT they
defend. No lie.
So if that's what you mean, yeah, I'd say that's common here
with all of the sects.
and human nature,
and foolish as well as dishonest.

There is a good reason for that. We love our fellowships like family and are more tolerant of those we see as family. Too bad we can't do that across denominational lines. too bad we can't say, look at Sam, he loves Mary a bit too much, God bless his heart. OR I wonder why Sam loves Mary so much, and then privately ask him to better understand him.

Probably because this is a debate folder.

 

[Albion]

EVEN THOUGH
We see RCCs who worship mary
We see Baptists who want to picket funerals
We see Charismatics who roll around on the floor
We see PR's who Calvin etc...

That doesn't mean that the entire group is missing it.

That's very true.

And almost any shortcoming can be dismissed by saying, "Oh them. They're not real Methodists/Catholics/Baptists/etc."

 

[sunlover1]

That's very true.

And almost any shortcoming can be dismissed by saying, "Oh them. They're not real Methodists/Catholics/Baptists/etc."

Ahh, the rest of the story! lol
Are all Anglicans as wise as you?
If so, I might possibly consider joining your denomination.
But It's doubtful that its an Anglican thang

 

[Rev Randy]

What I used to do.


The Book? Or God's Words in the Book?
But then can you separate Him from His Word?


I agree that Baptists deserve better,
but unfortunately there are fringe groups in all
sects that make the 'sect' look worse.


Not sure that's a true statement, I see problems in mine, as well as yours.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people notice their own.
Perhaps here in GT they minimize those problems.
I've been in OBOB and they bellyache about things that in GT they
defend. No lie.
So if that's what you mean, yeah, I'd say that's common here
with all of the sects.
and human nature,
and foolish as well as dishonest.


Probably because this is a debate folder.

Sis, I agree that this is the proper place for debate and even a place to defend what we submit to even though we may not fully agree in our heart what we are defending. I'd not be so quick to call it either a lie or foolish. Submission would be submitting if our flesh agreed.
So now i can no longer say I don't know anyone who hasn't worshiped Mary. If you were Roman catholic at that time , you would have been going against their teachings by doing so. But then we all have done things for the wrong reason a time or two.
With the exception of defending abuses, I find someone defending their sect as upright. It would be silly to attend where we simply didn't agree on a core value of said sect. I'm not speaking of the little things but the core things. If a charismatic Pentecostal thought speaking in tongues and falling to the floor wasn't proper and still did such I'd consider them a fraud or at the least attending for a reason other than for the purpose of true worship.
What I might find offensive about your Church may only be offensive to me and people who believe like me. It may even be destructive to my faith to join in such. But that does not mean it's wrong or improper before the Lord.

We can't ignore that the Roman Church suddenly began doing the mass in English instead of in Latin. Was Latin wrong? not really but as very few in America speak Latin, it was a wise move and helpful for the people as a whole. But it doesn't mean that before they changed that they were doing something against God
I have no issue at all with Rome claiming or holding the throne of Peter. I have a major issue with Peter or Rome being prime. But if it seems to help them in some odd way, they can claim such if they think it helps them. But what is too much focus? For me personally, it would be too much focus. He was our (the EO) bishop first along with Paul but we don't put our focus there. Some might say we put too much focus on our being ancient. Perhaps some of us do but where we put our main focus is upon Christ. Some might say we put to much focus on the Sacraments. But we find Christ within the Sacraments.
I studied the Rosary deeply. I found something surprising once I looked at that prayer/meditation. It didn't focus on Mary nearly as much as I supposed. The main focus was upon Christ. Or at least it is supposed to. Now if I were to pray the Rosary, I just might transfer the focus. But that would be my mistake and not the fault of the Rosary.
I brought up the Bible as an example. I have met a few who actually worship the Book. Saying nothing else matters above it. If you dropped their bible or accidentally placed something atop it they would think you'd just slapped the Lord. I don't even worship the words written therein. I worship the one who inspired men to pen it. I worship the one the Gospel speaks of and not the gospel. I regard those words highly and esteem them as holy words. But my main focus is not on the Bible or even those holy words. My Main focus is upon the Lord who is the Word. There is a line between love and worship. I love my wife and daughter. I love the Bible. I worship God and God alone. Not His deeds and works but the very Persons of God.

 

[Albion]

I brought up the Bible as an example. I have met a few who actually worship the Book.

I do not believe that this is true, yet it remains a favorite jab among those who go ballistic if someone mentions that Catholics worship the saints. Where have you seen people kneeling in front of a Bible, telling it that it is their object of adoration, burning incense or placing flowers or lighting candles to its glory. You haven't.

Saying nothing else matters above it.

When it comes to determining doctrine, nothing IS above it. But this doesn't represent "worship."

If you dropped their bible or accidentally placed something atop it they would think you'd just slapped the Lord.

Well, I'm sure that if someone placed a cup of coffee onto an icon in the middle of an Orthodox church or someone accidentally knocked the cross out of the hand of the priest, the parishioners would have a similar reaction. Even moreso, from my experience.

 

[sunlover1]

I brought up the Bible as an example. I have met a few who actually worship the Book. Saying nothing else matters above it. If you dropped their bible or accidentally placed something atop it they would think you'd just slapped the Lord.

Foolishness again.
I was not allowed to let my rosaries touch the floor.

Canon 1171 Can. 1171 Sacred objects, set aside for divine worship by dedication or blessing,
are to be treated with reverence. They are not to be made over to secular or inappropriate use,
even though they may belong to private persons. "

Man's attempt to make himself feel more holy i guess.


Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.

For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

 

[Rev Randy]

I do not believe that this is true, yet it remains a favorite jab among those who go ballistic if someone mentions that Catholics worship the saints. Where have you seen people kneeling in front of a Bible, telling it that it is their object of adoration, burning incense or placing flowers or lighting candles to its glory. You haven't.


When it comes to determining doctrine, nothing IS above it. But this doesn't represent "worship."


Well, I'm sure that if someone placed a cup of coffee onto an icon in the middle of an Orthodox church or someone accidentally knocked the cross out of the hand of the priest, the parishioners would have a similar reaction. Even moreso, from my experience.

Do you include God as one of those nothings that determines doctrine above the Bible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rev Randy

I brought up the Bible as an example. I have met a few who actually worship the Book. Saying nothing else matters above it. If you dropped their bible or accidentally placed something atop it they would think you'd just slapped the Lord.
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Foolishness again.
I was not allowed to let my rosaries touch the floor.

Canon 1171 Can. 1171 Sacred objects, set aside for divine worship by dedication or blessing,
are to be treated with reverence. They are not to be made over to secular or inappropriate use,
even though they may belong to private persons. "

Man's attempt to make himself feel more holy i guess.


Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.

For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

What happens if one accidently drops the rosary on the floor? Must it be thrown away?



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[Tomyris]

I refuse to answer your poll and fit into your paradigm.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I refuse to answer your poll and fit into your paradigm.

Well then, I suggest you go make your own paradigm thread.
Thanks for responding




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[Crypto]

I can't vote because they don't focus on Peter; they focus on the teachings of those whom they consider to be the successors of Peter. That's where the real problem lies.

 

[Albion]

I can't vote because they don't focus on Peter; they focus on the teachings of those whom they consider to be the successors of Peter. That's where the real problem lies.

I guess my thinking is similar. As I thought about the question--Does the Roman Church focus too much on Peter?--I realized that the answer has to be "No." It hardly "focuses" (if it's possible to focus but hardly) on Peter at all. Aside from the fame of the church in Rome (St. Peter's), the only significance of Peter to the Roman Catholic Church is providing a basis for the myth of being the only true church. Otherwise, he's seldom mentioned.

 

[Crypto]

I guess my thinking is similar. As I thought about the question--Does the Roman Church focus too much on Peter?--I realized that the answer has to be "No." It hardly "focuses" (if it's possible to focus but hardly) on Peter at all. Aside from the fame of the church in Rome (St. Peter's), the only significance of Peter to the Roman Catholic Church is providing a basis for the myth of being the only true church. Otherwise, he's seldom mentioned.

and for the myth of papal infallibility. Peter would not approve of that.